No fap

[Ocguy]

I have been doing NoFap for around 5 years. NoFap pulled me out of a rut and fixed most my issues (depression, social anxiety mostly) - except my hairloss increased after NoFap. And then I went on Propecia and fucked it all up.

PFS is very similar to the NoFap flatline. People who masturbate a lot have a lot of the same issues, especially once they quit porn and masturbation: vision problems, numb penis, no erections, anhedonia, zero libido, depression, anxiety. And it took months for me to get better. Although it always had a positive impact on me.

NoFap is definitely a good thing to do.

I also read a guy who had PFS for a long time and once he quit masturbating and quit doing excessive working out he recovered from it. I read it on PropeciaHelp. This was not too long ago. I think he recovered after 10+ years a few months ago.

I also notice I feel better when I do not exercise. It is incomparable. So that is why I am going to train smarter instead of making my body tired constantly. I was already doing a lot less than I used to and I even had better gains. So I am going to give my body more rest for 2-3 months, see what it does. I will still train but smarter - in the 70%-75% range.

Now you could say he did not have PFS or this and that. But as you can see a lot of side effects can overlap. Masturbation is not healthy especially when you are already sick.

The trick with NoFap is to see that you have been conditioned to pornography and it is used to keep you enslaved. Do you want to be a slave?

Why is pornography free? Tell me that. Why do you have to pay for everything except pornography. I know the answer.

Force yourself to not fantasise for a while. And just cut out masturbation as an option. A lot of shit will come up. Because most men masturbate more when they are stressed or lonely. Deal with the problems. Learn how to deal with stress other ways. Look it straight in the eyes.

I agree with everything your saying, however porn is free purely from economic forces.. in 2006 - 7 a large media group bought out all the large pay sites while they built the free tube sites it was a total takeover and shift from the pay model to focus on advertising and redirects to live cam sites as a means to support it..
At that time the avg life of a paid cc member went from 6 months from the early heyday to 1 month so it was heading that way regardless..

Anyway, full agreement on the nofap, and overlap

 

[wuf]

Try no fap for 6 days, drink tomato juice in the evening on day 6, masturbate on day 7 in the morning. Da capo.

You doing this?

 

[diffi]

You doing this?

Not yet. Seen on solvepfs.

 

[hairsuit]

For those of us who are married, and would like to stay so, this is a hard one to get away with. That said, some questions:

So you do no fap, you are able to go a month or two or three without spilling your seed. What happens once you finally do? Do you revert back and start from square one again? I find that after a week from the time of orgasm, I start to feel like my old self again. This is around the time that I want to keep the wife happy, so we do again. Same cycle. Now if we abstained and after a week, two weeks, month etc....... I would feel great. Normal. Libido would be there etc, but once I orgasmed, it starts the whole cycle over again. What has been your experiences with this?

 

[RebelWithACause]

For those of us who are married, and would like to stay so, this is a hard one to get away with. That said, some questions:

So you do no fap, you are able to go a month or two or three without spilling your seed. What happens once you finally do? Do you revert back and start from square one again? I find that after a week from the time of orgasm, I start to feel like my old self again. This is around the time that I want to keep the wife happy, so we do again. Same cycle. Now if we abstained and after a week, two weeks, month etc....... I would feel great. Normal. Libido would be there etc, but once I orgasmed, it starts the whole cycle over again. What has been your experiences with this?

Your energy lowers after orgasm. If you have it bad you have "POIS" like bad depression and anxiety after orgasm.

When you abstain you get higher energy than normal - but I think only if your testosterone levels are OK. Plus PFS influences this. I did NoFap for months and felt nothing different in the beginning of PFS.

Now I have some days which are better. But TEI also influences it. I get tired very easy on TEI and sometimes this overrides the NoFap stuff.

Still worth it to stop being a masturbating addict (if you are one).

 

[Ocguy]

For those of us who are married, and would like to stay so, this is a hard one to get away with. That said, some questions:

So you do no fap, you are able to go a month or two or three without spilling your seed. What happens once you finally do? Do you revert back and start from square one again? I find that after a week from the time of orgasm, I start to feel like my old self again. This is around the time that I want to keep the wife happy, so we do again. Same cycle. Now if we abstained and after a week, two weeks, month etc....... I would feel great. Normal. Libido would be there etc, but once I orgasmed, it starts the whole cycle over again. What has been your experiences with this?

I've been in and out of this cycle for 7 years.. when I first learned of no fap in 2012 I would reboot for 2 to 3 weeks at a time,, get super horny and then crash after about 4 or 5 orgasms.. then I would start the process over again and needed longer reboots to get the same effect.. in 2014 I did a year with 1 orgasm per month. at the end.. I was good for about 2 months and an orgasm every 3rd day or so.. only to crash again after a few months

It's been total hell.. the set backs now are devastating time wise.. I basically have to be a monk

Looking back I don't think I would have got pfs if I wasn't a porn addict.. in 2008-when I first started getting pfs symptoms (didn't attribute to pfs) I lost everything.. I quit porn cuz I was bored with it, (which now seems like it was a mini crash) rebuilt my business, hit the gym hard and within 6 months was on top of everything.. I was so horny - fapping a lot and banging young hotties for 2 years, by 2012 I was totally drained and the real crash began

 

[RebelWithACause]

I've been in and out of this cycle for 7 years.. when I first learned of no fap in 2012 I would reboot for 2 to 3 weeks at a time,, get super horny and then crash after about 4 or 5 orgasms.. then I would start the process over again and needed longer reboots to get the same effect.. in 2014 I did a year with 1 orgasm per month. at the end.. I was good for about 2 months and an orgasm every 3rd day or so.. only to crash again after a few months

It's been total hell.. the set backs now are devastating time wise.. I basically have to be a monk

ye that's called POIS which a lot of people have even non-PFS. I had it as well when I first started NoFap but after a while it got better. Plus I started to supplement 15MG zinc back then which helped a lot. This is all pre-PFS as well

 

[Goose12]

I have tried nofap for two weeks at most and really didn't notice anything. If anything I felt worse, labido became non existent. I don't know if it's because of high dht but I feel better after orgasms. When I first crashed with pfs I actually had more energy after orgasms?

I believe there is a happy medium. In my opinion a healthy person could orgasm two times a day or more no problem. I think most of problems are much deeper than no fap. Tei is literally changing the way I look at things. It's crazy how one day I can go from looking at weman no different than guys to thinking they are the most beautiful things to exist.

 

[Ocguy]

ye that's called POIS which a lot of people have even non-PFS. I had it as well when I first started NoFap but after a while it got better. Plus I started to supplement 15MG zinc back then which helped a lot. This is all pre-PFS as well

Yea, that's why I didn't think it was pfs.. spent a lot of time on the nofap boards because there are so many overlaps.

But Yes, I was in pre pfs in 2008 for sure.. had already noticed the facial changes, fat loss, and dry orgasms.. I went on raw food diet with lots of whey.. did a cycle of epistane,, which is basically methylated andro.. and bounced back big time..

It's amazing that even if i pull myself out of the spiral (which i did) PFS seems to always be lurking

 

[RebelWithACause]

I have tried nofap for two weeks at most and really didn't notice anything. If anything I felt worse, labido became non existent. I don't know if it's because of high dht but I feel better after orgasms. When I first crashed with pfs I actually had more energy after orgasms?

I believe there is a happy medium. In my opinion a healthy person could orgasm two times a day or more no problem. I think most of problems are much deeper than no fap. Tei is literally changing the way I look at things. It's crazy how one day I can go from looking at weman no different than guys to thinking they are the most beautiful things to exist.

Ye it is good for people who are addicted to porn and masturbation.


I know what you mean with the TEI. It is up down for me. Sometimes on a daily basis. One day good - next day shit (mostly LOW energy).

 

[Ocguy]

I have tried nofap for two weeks at most and really didn't notice anything. If anything I felt worse, labido became non existent. I don't know if it's because of high dht but I feel better after orgasms. When I first crashed with pfs I actually had more energy after orgasms?

I believe there is a happy medium. In my opinion a healthy person could orgasm two times a day or more no problem. I think most of problems are much deeper than no fap. Tei is literally changing the way I look at things. It's crazy how one day I can go from looking at weman no different than guys to thinking they are the most beautiful things to exist.

Yea, that's called the chaser effect.. after an orgasms there are some endorphins hanging around and that's what makes u feel better after an O, or in perpetual orgasm cycle. after a couple of days those clear out.. that's why u start feeling shitty

the chaser is what makes pois types crash even harder, at least for me.

 

[MNK99]

try focusing on... other stuff. bullet journal your motivations.
seriously better grades, better profits, better interviews, better with women, hate myself less. happier... fasted and nofap (plus cold showers and all that other discipline).
hate self and others less. less net is good. back in the day we used abacus and typewriters. now kids on ipad all day, barely able to read and write, learning by twitter.
goddamned millenialls. im addicted... to everything in a sense/ so max i did was 60 and 44 d but gonna do more. i did 17 no prob on finasteride but ... that's cuz it was killing me.

that fat fucko @OmicronPlus claims to have done 3 years straight. i will not be outdone by a fat vagabond like that.

 

[hairsuit]

I have tried nofap for two weeks at most and really didn't notice anything. If anything I felt worse, labido became non existent. I don't know if it's because of high dht but I feel better after orgasms. When I first crashed with pfs I actually had more energy after orgasms?

I believe there is a happy medium. In my opinion a healthy person could orgasm two times a day or more no problem. I think most of problems are much deeper than no fap. Tei is literally changing the way I look at things. It's crazy how one day I can go from looking at weman no different than guys to thinking they are the most beautiful things to exist.

Right. I doo feel there is some truth to the “use it or lose” argument.

 

[TubZy]

When I was on RU I had no PFS/POIS symtpoms at all after organism - actually had more energy to productive things like you do when your a teenager. I think in my case it was since cortisol was blocked.

 

[Ocguy]

Right. I doo feel there is some truth to the “use it or lose” argument.

Well, I've spoken to people with no problems and they don't go flat.. it just keeps building up until it's unbearable.. eventually maybe the body gives up on the idea, but certainly not a week or two into abstinence

 

[Admiral]

I did 100 days of nofap + nosex last year. Didn’t do anything for me. Libido was even worse during that spell as your body acclimates. Libido is better when I masturbate once every few days, but then again I don’t have POIS. I do think it’s adrenal related, as I did experience POIS after I crashed on DHEA and Thyroid meds.

 

[Ocguy]

I did 100 days of nofap + nosex last year. Didn’t do anything for me. Libido was even worse during that spell as your body acclimates. Libido is better when I masturbate once every few days, but then again I don’t have POIS. I do think it’s adrenal related, as I did experience POIS after I crashed on DHEA and Thyroid meds.

What adrenal stage is arl saying on that report they provide w test results. alarm, resistance or exhaustion?

 

[hairsuit]

I did 100 days of nofap + nosex last year. Didn’t do anything for me. Libido was even worse during that spell as your body acclimates. Libido is better when I masturbate once every few days, but then again I don’t have POIS. I do think it’s adrenal related, as I did experience POIS after I crashed on DHEA and Thyroid meds.

Yeah, that’s my point. The body acclimates. Certainly if you feel ill after orgasm, like true pois, then yes, this might make sense. But if it’s just that after you orgasm, it takes another week to build up desire again, I do t think no fap is the answer. With libido, it seems like you have to keep calling the kitty to get it to respond...,,.,

 

[MNK99]

honestly most of what i said about nofap was meant for like: FOCUS, efficiency. Sure running it makes me exercise easier. Maybe it helps PFS for some. BUT i try it more for inner game as well as not fucking my life up. Same w overtrading. Trading a few times and killing it is better. same w sex>fap (obviously).

study well 4/7 or 7/7 d rather than i dont know zero.

and it all depends. some things im natural at, probably nearly no output loss. things outside comfort zone, it helps me. but of course, seen people that don't have same reactions. talked to them, didn't really "see" them in the act.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Think And Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill (Sexual Transmutation), 1937

https://www.sacred-texts.com/nth/tgr/tgr16.htm

"Fortunate, indeed, is the person who has discovered how to give sex emotion an outlet through some form of creative effort, for he has, by that discovery, lifted himself to the status of a genius."

NoFap works but it takes a change in mindset. Your mental libido becomes less (craving) but your creativity and energy goes up. No longer do you crave to "release" instead you ride the wave of energy.

When your body is a bit compromised (PFS, PAS, PSSD, whatever) it also important to not lose too much energy from that so you stay on the path to healing yourself and give the body the extra energy.

It is not magic. Extra energy means more motivation and more creativity (the brain has more energy). For some people NoFap does not work. It probably depends on the body.