One Year today, and far from cured (PFS)

IHateFin

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Try some ru486 at micro doses of 2.5mg or Ella 5mg.

I'd give high dose trib, funegreek or licorice root a shot or combine all three.
Take licorice once every 5 days to start. See how ya feel
 

tisho1012

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Hi guys,

French guy here, today it is one year since I crashed, i tooked only one pill of generic finasteride, and crashed heavily for 5 months. One fucking pill.

Let me tell you.

I took this shit on sunday, and immediately the following morning, i felt like something was switched of inside. Got immediately nipple pain, heart racing etc... You know the rest, honeymoon period of 2 weeks, and then crash.

For 5 months i had :

- Heavy fatigue
- Heavy muscle pain
- Body temperature dysregulation
- Heavy diarrea
- Depression
- Suicidal toughts
- Social phobia
- ED
- Violent moods swings
- Crying spells
- Anhedonia

5 months sick leave

I made a ton of blood work. Doctors put me on Effexor 75mg/day, because he tought i'm crazy.

What came out in my bloods :

- Always had high bicarbonates ( i read somewhere that pfs and pssd can be linked to high CO2)
- Low T : low 200 to low 300
- Low LH, Low FSH (secondary hypogonadism)
- High cortisol
- High Progesterone
- Crashed E2
- Low vitamin D, high calcitriol, low PTH

An endo put me on testogel 50 mg/day, was great, gave me confidence, energy, no more panic attacks.
But i couldn't continue it, because of its price.

I made a 23andme test, what came out :

- Gluten sensitivity gene (RHONDA)
- VDR BSM polymorphism (it expresses because my calcitriol is high and it slow down my PTH) : if somebody know if there is something to do for it ?
- Homozygous A298C MTHFR
- A problem on the detox in the liver (pathway that detox E2)
- Avoid methyldonors

6 weeks ago my endo put me on Testosterone enanthate, 80mg/week. And sunday it will be my 6th shot, and i don't feel anything, in fact i'm worse, mood swings are back, crying spells too.

So now ?

I tried :

Tribulus : no effect
Creatine : no effect
Vitamin D : no effect
Zinc : no effect, i suspect that it make me crash
Alpha GPC : no effect
Methylfolate : no effect
Hydroxycobolamn : no effect


So what can i do now ?

We will beat this i'm sure, but where to go from now ?

Thanks
Sorry to hear that mate! Me myself I got fucked from 2.5 days of Saw Palmetto! 1 year and 2 months now after I stopped this evil herb! Never had ED though, but had no nocturnals, eventually I got them recovered at 95%, brain fog has almost gone too. But this muscle pain is still killing me!
 

tisho1012

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I took a few days fin and a few on saw palmetto.
Did you use Minoxidil too? I've used Regaine, 5% Minoxidil for 6 months, at the end of this period I took Saw Palmetto and got the sides straight away at the second day. I got that feeling that Regaine led me to the edge and Saw Palmetto pushed me down completely...
 

snowball

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In my case it was fin that caused major imbalance and SP further added more fuel to it..have not tried rogaine around the time
 

Kiwiii

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IN The first months post crash I had diarrhea like never. And now one year later my stool is pretty dry
 

Kiwiii

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So for the first time in many years my total CO2 is gone down, and is in range. But i am still symtpomatic, still depressed.

Have somebody tried CBD here ?

How do you manage to travel with PFS? I'm flying to USA tomorrow, and anxious as hell !
 

Kiwiii

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Is CBD anti androgenic ? I try it since a few days, and it gives me diarrhea ... Like when i was on Fin
 

Kiwiii

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Or perhaps it is the magnesium that gives me diarrhea, did somebody experience the same with TEI supps ?

Can i lower my dosage of Mg ?

They recommended

Min Plex B 2-2-2
Para pack one-one-one
Adrenal complex 2-0-2

@Helen @mattyb ?
 

Kiwiii

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diarrhea from magnesium will subside. You just have to get used to it. Don’t stop because of diarrhea .

It’s just water that magnesium binds in the colon. You will adapt :D

Yes but i didnt get it at the beginning, thats weird.
 

bruschi11

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I would have no idea @Kiwiii but possibly at a mall you could find some sort of health machine type store. But that’s just being wishful I’d say. Call around.
 

EsQimo

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Got my latest labs :

CO2 total is at 32 !
Progesterone is a 0.3 ! higher than before
Na, K, Cl, mid range.

waiting for my haire analysis results

Progesterone 0.3 is absolutely normal.
I had 0.8 back in October.
Now i have 1.0.

Your Prog is low/normal.
 

EsQimo

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No my lab range is <0.2 for progesterone

There is no lab range for men's progesterone.
My lab range is 0.3 - 1.4.

I dont really know, but something is wrong with our progesterone/ estrogen.
1.0 is not something normal.
Thats for sure...
 

MNK99

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0. Summary of PFS, PSSD & Post Accutane Experimental Treatments (as of 12/16) ----just in case, I'm sure you read thru now.
1. OH I see, you're using TEI. Good job. --I hope it works out well.
And pelvic pain, is quite similar to Fin crash...

Notes:
2. Is it CBD or magnesium ?
UNLESS someone never got out of their crash, I STRONGLY DOUBT Mg nor CBD (the non psychoactive cannabinoid used by people with even schizophrenia), is causing a finasteride crash. FASTING and the rest. MAJOR detox. IF THAT cannot be done, ARL/TEI can be the way out for a lot of people, like Helen said many times, in many different ways. People with severe brain ailments take CBD. DOn't take anything with TEI except recommended supps, ideally.

TEI will help anyways with you.

I took Mg because of a medicine I needed (not for PFS, and not for most people at all)... and for shaking, tremors. Minerals are in everything. MINERALS are minerals... they may help in supernormal amounts reset this conditions, but it isn't so simple as take one mineral or lower one and now you're fixed. Likewise, consuming one mineral will not prolong "crash", i.e. depressed, shrinkage, suicidal thoughts, extreme sickness, vision, neurological, etc issues. If detoxed/fasted out of crash-phase, I believe. Maybe not, but... TEI should help and it seems very likely to eventually not make you crash ever again. So keep it up.

Labs -Nice to have but it's not the best thing to focus on:

Labs did nothing but make my log look neat. IF I have spare time I will get more... but it's not the best approach to focus on. Helen and others, the summary post TUbzy made and is revamping I believe is going to be better. Labs, I can look back on now... and get more later, but literally I don't think people get if you want... labs would never end. I could compare it now and then with some other guys, but it wouldn't get me anywhere without detox or in my case fasting and in the case of a lot who used Helen's methods or CD's methods --- fasting helped them get to the stage in which they could actually make improvements over time, and every little thing did not crash them.

STICK TO TEI IDEALLY.
I had urological/pelvic pain/testicle pain like on and off for a year +. Now even at times, but nothing like pre fasting. And nothing like in crash phase.

3. Just in case you think Effexor is potentially helpful:
I am sure you are over taking Effexor and hope you're well. I'm just saying, the first year or so after SNRI/SSRI's, I considered them. That's all.
No longer discussing, Read the parts regarding Venlafaxine:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1399-5618.2003.00084.x
 
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