Potassium

[Noodle]

Whats your opinion on Potassium as a supplement or via food?

I often read about how much higer potassium intake was in early days compared to today.
There are also some Bodybuilding forums (esp. taeian may be known for ~ULTIMATE Hair Regrowth Protocol) which suggest a 5-8g intake of potassium. together with some grams of himalayan salt.
They are sipping tomatojuice like peaters do milk and OJ.

What would a higher intake do though?
Would it increase intracellular potassium -> increase thyroid -> increase metabolism ?
Im confused how supplemental minerals react on cells. Somewhere I read that suppl. Potassium would lower cellular potassium. But this would slow the metabolism right? That would be kind of the opposite of whats expected.

 

[Canari]

Im confused how supplemental minerals react on cells.

I have understood, I hope, that there are 2 causes of low mineral in the cell:
- lack in the diet
- body voluntary adaptation

In the 1st case, the body will suck the supp with joy
in the 2nd case, the body will say "wtf do I do with this, I already had enough job to diminish this!"

...ask to sb else how to differentiate both cases! :roll:
I might say that if you try the supp, if ok you feel a result very fast. (I have, literally overnight)

There might be sub-cases in the body voluntary adaptation:
- excess of another mineral
- more complicated, when more imbalances, endocrine or nervous system and bad life-style....

I have my hair test kit!

 

[Legna88]

here is an interesting quote from a hungarian researcher, his english is pretty bad but take a look: ''The Low salt diet is a Big Falsehood . Ringer fusion 2 liter distilled water and 18/daily gram sodium and max 600 mg KCl.In every hospital the standard fusion. Potassium alone very dangerous but raw salt is not bad. Vegeterian food + raw salt perfect. NO sea salt. Clear NaCL2. and lot of clear water. Kendall, Reichstein and Hench 1950 won Nobel prize adrenal gland biologist. it has been found that 61 scientific publication Sodium missed diet very dangerous and High Potassium diet is also very dangerous. Only High potassium diet is dangerous to: kidneys, adrenal glands and heart. In 1950 U.S FDA suggestion was 7-15/daily gram sodium was. If you are sportman you need 25 gram/daily raw salt. Raw salt Na Cl cleaning your body. No blood clothes, good heart etc. But if you lot of clear water drink and vegetarian food...''

there is a salt researcher(maybe you know him), Dr. Denton, it is said he is the highest authority on salt, I quote from the article:
''In humans, severe salt depletion can produce many effects, not all of which will immediately be recognized as a result of salt deficiency.
A serious loss of salt can lead to reduction in blood and fluid volume, with potentially dangerous effects on heart action and blood circulation.
The salt-deficient person is likely to feel weak and lethargic. Muscle aches and cramps follow almost any physical exertion. Other effects are nausea, vomiting and confusion.
In experiments cited by Dr. Denton, other scientists deliberately depleted their own stores of salt. The effects included persistent thirst which could not be assuaged by drinking water, and loss of most of the sensation of taste. Even spicy foods and cigarettes seemed to lose all flavor to at least one of the experimenters.
Some of the researchers reported that they simply did not believe that a salt deficit was responsible for some of the effects they noticed, but they felt better almost at once after eating or drinking about 15 grams of salt''

 

[Canari]

Ok, I have to lower my Ca/K ratio, thus up my potassium (which is at minimum level)
They advised me high potassium food like:
- chicken

- banana
- apples
- orange

- tomato
- artichoke

- peas
- lentils

 

[tanedout]

Would it increase intracellular potassium -> increase thyroid -> increase metabolism ?
Im confused how supplemental minerals react on cells. Somewhere I read that suppl. Potassium would lower cellular potassium. But this would slow the metabolism right? That would be kind of the opposite of whats expected.

Speaking from personal experience, I've been having issues recently with low serum potassium and very low phosphorous. This has co-incided with weight loss. Since increasing potassium intake (supplementing with 99mg 3 x per day, and drinking lots of coconut water and milk) weight has started to increase. Bloods have shown levels are now on the up (but still low or borderline low). I'll get some done again next week.

I wasn't aware until Gblol mentioned it, but it turns out low potassium and low phosphate are indications of alkalosis. I've got some ph strips on order so will test urine ph. I'd been noticing benefits from betaine HCI too, so that possibly explains why.

Milk is a good source of potassium (and phosphorous), interesting levels are higher in lower fat milk compared to higher fat;

http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-potassium-phosphorus-cup-milk-4745.html

 

[Nina]

here is an interesting quote from a hungarian researcher, his english is pretty bad but take a look: ''The Low salt diet is a Big Falsehood . Ringer fusion 2 liter distilled water and 18/daily gram sodium and max 600 mg KCl.In every hospital the standard fusion. Potassium alone very dangerous but raw salt is not bad. Vegeterian food + raw salt perfect. NO sea salt. Clear NaCL2. and lot of clear water. Kendall, Reichstein and Hench 1950 won Nobel prize adrenal gland biologist. it has been found that 61 scientific publication Sodium missed diet very dangerous and High Potassium diet is also very dangerous. Only High potassium diet is dangerous to: kidneys, adrenal glands and heart. In 1950 U.S FDA suggestion was 7-15/daily gram sodium was. If you are sportman you need 25 gram/daily raw salt. Raw salt Na Cl cleaning your body. No blood clothes, good heart etc. But if you lot of clear water drink and vegetarian food...''

there is a salt researcher(maybe you know him), Dr. Denton, it is said he is the highest authority on salt, I quote from the article:
''In humans, severe salt depletion can produce many effects, not all of which will immediately be recognized as a result of salt deficiency.
A serious loss of salt can lead to reduction in blood and fluid volume, with potentially dangerous effects on heart action and blood circulation.
The salt-deficient person is likely to feel weak and lethargic. Muscle aches and cramps follow almost any physical exertion. Other effects are nausea, vomiting and confusion.
In experiments cited by Dr. Denton, other scientists deliberately depleted their own stores of salt. The effects included persistent thirst which could not be assuaged by drinking water, and loss of most of the sensation of taste. Even spicy foods and cigarettes seemed to lose all flavor to at least one of the experimenters.
Some of the researchers reported that they simply did not believe that a salt deficit was responsible for some of the effects they noticed, but they felt better almost at once after eating or drinking about 15 grams of salt''

Interesting find, where did you read this?

 

[Canari]

I wasn't aware until Gblol mentioned it, but it turns out low potassium and low phosphate are indications of alkalosis. I've got some ph strips on order so will test urine ph. I'd been noticing benefits from betaine HCI too, so that possibly explains why.

Looks like me, but still do not understand WHERE is the alkalosis! ...As I have understood that it is also high CO2 in blood, so acidosis there.
And about cell, still have to understand better the difference between intra-cellular and extra-cellular rates. I even have doubts if extra-cellular means "in blood".

 

[tanedout]

I wasn't aware until Gblol mentioned it, but it turns out low potassium and low phosphate are indications of alkalosis. I've got some ph strips on order so will test urine ph. I'd been noticing benefits from betaine HCI too, so that possibly explains why.

Looks like me, but still do not understand WHERE is the alkalosis! ...As I have understood that it is also high CO2 in blood, so acidosis there.
And about cell, still have to understand better the difference between intra-cellular and extra-cellular rates. I even have doubts if extra-cellular means "in blood".

Have you managed to get blood C02 checked at all? I'm going to see is the urine ph test strips give any indication of alkalosis - I understand urine should a ph or about 6.0 in a healthy person, but I think it's quite a crude measure for alkalosis, and as usual there's a load of conflicting info online, but I'm curious to find out anyway! (will measure over a period of a few days to get an average)

 

[Canari]

I have no insurance for this and have to go too far to town and I don't know if they do it... I have superficial breathing so anyway for sure I am high in CO2, and Buteyko is so easy for me to increase my CP!

If the cell is alkaline as mattyb said, then alkaline tissues mean outside the cell?

Pharmacy do not have pH tests, so I have to buy on line.... will wait you tell me if you can read something worth it.

[mention]tanedout[/mention] your avatar goes on making me laugh each time the same!

 

[Legna88]

High Salt Diets & Athletic Performance w/ Dr. James Dinicolantonio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTr3S2Bqlow&t=3s

 

[wuf]

Question:
high CO2 in blood means Alkaline?

 

[Canari]

Question:
high CO2 in blood means Alkaline?

High CO2 in blood means more acidic blood, thus respiratory acidosis. And I think it correspond to too alkaline tissues....

Got no answer when I made a complete topic about this, with a proper title, to show how we are mixed up by word use, about pH!

 

[Nighteyes]

High CO2 in blood means more acidic blood, thus respiratory acidosis. And I think it correspond to too alkaline tissues....

Got no answer when I made a complete topic about this, with a proper title, to show how we are mixed up by word use, about pH!

Isn't the problem with high CO2 in the blood the compesatory metabolic alkalosis where the body retains bicarbonate? At least I think that is why exercise is helping me - by blowing out CO2 and thus I need less of a compensatory alkalosis...

 

[Canari]

Isn't the problem with high CO2 in the blood the compensatory metabolic alkalosis where the body retains bicarbonate? At least I think that is why exercise is helping me - by blowing out CO2 and thus I need less of a compensatory alkalosis...

Yes but I understood it can be either of both cases! If you have a postural problem, lack exercise, have fungi producing CO2.... then producing bicarb can be the compensatory part....

I also know I have to increase my potassium, but do not know if I can do this directly.... As I have a new love for eggs in tomato sauce... maybe yes!
I just know that if my body does not agree with the intake, as it has its reasons..., it will not stay in my body until "something else" is solved.

I also know that exercise is good for me. I had the intellect that was leading me to work in an office, but I totally changed this by having an outdoor life and I am sure it maintained me.

At postural level, I have worked a lot on my rib cage and resp diaphragm. We cannot think about breathing and posture all day long, it has to happen alone!

 

[mattyb]

High CO2 in blood means more acidic blood, thus respiratory acidosis. And I think it correspond to too alkaline tissues....

Got no answer when I made a complete topic about this, with a proper title, to show how we are mixed up by word use, about pH!

Cells always follow the body (typically). If you are in respiratory acidosis (high CO2, low pH/acidic), the interior of cells are likely even more acidic. They have to do this to maintain an electrical gradient to facilitate signal transduction.

 

[Canari]

@mattyb do you know if potassium chloride can absorb topically like how mag chloride can?

YES it seems so, and mentioned here:
potassium chloride

A good review too...
Potassium Chloride - Side Effects, Dosage, Interactions - Drugs