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Yeah that is why I started looking into methods of how to increase the effectiveness of TEI further to speed things up. Things like doubling the dose etc. I agree no one wants to wait years
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Yeah that is why I started looking into methods of how to increase the effectiveness of TEI further to speed things up. Things like doubling the dose etc. I agree no one wants to wait years
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This is definitely worth looking into. Not sure it's about the dose, could be. I think there are some minerals our PFS-body's need more of; put more focus on electrolytes, or copper/zinc.
Being years on a nutritional balancing program when in the meantime you come across fellow PFS-victims who cure themselves in a matter of weeks/months, few have the perseverance to continue TEI/ARL. I know it's hard on me..
I do, but how does zinc + mag + B's fit my oxidation rate? I'm a fast four and need plenty of copper according to both ARL and TEI.
That said, reading through more recovery stories, some who have really believe it's because of the zinc/copper ratio. Could be copper for fast, zinc for slow.
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@Admiral you just keep confusing people. Since you have been doing everything that I told you NOT to do.
first you run ARL, which I said wont do anything at all. you kept running it.( so please dont even mention it)
Then you take hydrogen water which impairs your oxidation rate to fast, and the all of a sudden you become fast oxidizer on ARL and keep taking copper.
Then you turn around and give pubic hair to TEI, which always shows people as fast oxidizer, even if you are SLOW.
We tested it so many times already, and slow oxidizers are FAST oxidizers in pubic hair, and this is SO dangerous
Man, oh man. that is why I just keep telling you , you are fucking yourself up.
first you run ARL, which I said wont do anything at all. you kept running it.( so please dont even mention it)
Then you take hydrogen water which impairs your oxidation rate to fast, and the all of a sudden you become fast oxidizer on ARL and keep taking copper.
Then you turn around and give pubic hair to TEI, which always shows people as fast oxidizer, even if you are SLOW.
We tested it so many times already, and slow oxidizers are FAST oxidizers in pubic hair, and this is SO dangerous
Man, oh man. that is why I just keep telling you , you are fucking yourself up.
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this is my opinion. hairtest is very sensitive. and I think it is worthless if you take hormones, or you take some weird stuff like hydrogen.
and it can show you the body chemistry which is not your own.
I know it is hard , bud. I know you worked.
but may be you just got unlucky , since you did IMO 3 wrong steps. in a ROW
almost like universe wants to punish your ass for something.
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I read his post Last night, he attributed no fap as a major part of his recovery. I tend to agree, I was on the no fap boards for years because of the overlap in symptoms... the fact pfs crash happened 1 year after stopping also confused the hell out of me..
anyway, I've done a year of no fap (1 per month basically ) and was 60 percent recovered for a few months, but crashed again after picking up those old habits... I really think it's a main factor and must be followed for a bit even after you feel somewhat cured. I've rebooted several times and crashed several times.. keep a log yourself and see if there's a correlation.
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I agree, I've tried up to almost a month of nofap and It didn't make a difference at all. I think masturbation can be a problem in itself, but if you keep masturbating/sex to a reasonable amount per week I feel like it should be fine. Like you implied, I feel like it's more of an issue for people with POIS.
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--I think sometimes it sets me back sometimes not. what it sets me back more in, just like TEI helps me more in quicker, is mental discipline as well as focus/mood.
-not like fapping crashes or destroys me. but seriously 30-40 days (and I guess 100-500 days or 3000 days) of nofap helps the day go smoother.
-even then, surely TEI helps focus/mood/outlook/thinking straight a lot more than NF does. It's just a tool. and with 10 other actions and a strict schedule often (often terrible tho), may as well keep it up.
--also yeah girls smile more, more confident, can meet easier after 20 40 etc days. BUT again it's just one "tool" in a large toolkit. For me.
-for me just less in my own head. is the main benefit. As well as acting on social cues with zero hesitation (positive ones, not like "hey lets drink" but useful ones).
--why? IDK , lots of reasons, maybe increased serum test at 14days, less wasting time, all that stuff, better mental game/confidence.
---mostly it's bad for those with a serious addictive nature, so if you don't drink, don't smoke, don't ever have certain types of foods, only workout like this, take cold showers, avoid certain behaviours may as well go the distance. --however TOO much perfectionism is very bad too. BUT some need to force a supreme discipline.
-SPEAKING of random. Definitely thought it was gone, POIS/effexor issues. however towards end did nofap (for other reasons too), and helped a lot.
-during that time I still had 1-2 other bad habits. --controlling like 8-9/10 habits is great but 10/10 is better.
-not like fapping crashes or destroys me. but seriously 30-40 days (and I guess 100-500 days or 3000 days) of nofap helps the day go smoother.
-even then, surely TEI helps focus/mood/outlook/thinking straight a lot more than NF does. It's just a tool. and with 10 other actions and a strict schedule often (often terrible tho), may as well keep it up.
--also yeah girls smile more, more confident, can meet easier after 20 40 etc days. BUT again it's just one "tool" in a large toolkit. For me.
-for me just less in my own head. is the main benefit. As well as acting on social cues with zero hesitation (positive ones, not like "hey lets drink" but useful ones).
--why? IDK , lots of reasons, maybe increased serum test at 14days, less wasting time, all that stuff, better mental game/confidence.
---mostly it's bad for those with a serious addictive nature, so if you don't drink, don't smoke, don't ever have certain types of foods, only workout like this, take cold showers, avoid certain behaviours may as well go the distance. --however TOO much perfectionism is very bad too. BUT some need to force a supreme discipline.
-SPEAKING of random. Definitely thought it was gone, POIS/effexor issues. however towards end did nofap (for other reasons too), and helped a lot.
-during that time I still had 1-2 other bad habits. --controlling like 8-9/10 habits is great but 10/10 is better.
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I still had this bookmarked. List is from solvepfs. It lists some known recoveries and how they managed to do so. Some similarities, but some seem very random..
-JN- =Proviron (DHT), felt that was not curing the cause -> Breakthrough with T3 and Adrenal supplements -> Feels that Cop-Zinc-ratio, anti-candida/parasite is the real cause
Austinite007 =Natural recovery
Cliffs =Took DIM, tribulus, and a topical DHT -> 6-8 weeks later his puffy nipples went away and libido was pretty much back. -> 6-8 weeks later he stopped DIM (doesn’t say if he stopped Trib and DHT gel) and 2 months later he felt like pre-fin days
Danielmotion01 =Lots of symptons -> diagnosed high RT3 and low T3 -> T3 treatment, everything recovered
[Some spanish guy cepo mentioned] =Positive attitude & weightlifting 3 years straight.
finhelp47 = cycling Vit E 200/400mg, 2-6 fish oil capsules, seldomly multivitamin which had ginseng 40mg which boosted libido
fuckfin =Synthroid (T4, thyroid medicine), Viagra, sex ja mastubation to recovery
GN9904 =Ciproxin (antibiotic) helped but otherwise natural recovery; believes that masturbation was critical
HopingForMore =2-3 High doses Tribulus Extract/day, 5 days a week
istherehope =Healthy lifestyle, herbal supplements, DIM for 3 months, gym 5/w (weight, some cardio, protein shakes and rich diet, maca, vitamin complex, hgweed, tribulus with l-arginine, something else… lots of broccoli and green tean, zinc, vitamin d. ! Cycled herbs on and off 6-8 months. Felt tribulus and arginine was important, DIM+Trib caused pain to prostate especially if he took alcohol the night before. pains ended once he quit the supplements (when he recovered).
John Coleman = Diagnosed adrenal fatigue with Dr.Wilson’s book (not Lawrence Wilson). Made natural recovery with good sleep, stop taking supplements, stopped negative obsessive thoughts and focused on positivity, ate lot of veggies. Confirmed recovery from adrenal fatigue with pupil dilation - testwhen he recovered.
Jon Doe = Natural recovery. Only slept more than usual due to depression and took way less sugar since he read about leaky gut. His full-blown gynecomastia removed with his recovery as well!
[Jon Doe’s topic: Guillermo Alvarez] =John Doe’s friend recovered naturally in 2 years.
Matis =Natural recovery. Stopped all substances (alcohol included) for the duration of recovery.
MikeS1025 =Natural recovery. Quit couple of supplements, did Kegels, kept taking Vit D and Centrum Multi-V, commented that erections lasted longer thru sex rather than masturbating. In the end, started eating healthy and gym 3-4/w.
MrMojo=Acupuncture (endocrine soft reset) -> 14 months Test cypionate and Sonoma Diet, symptons improved when he fixed Vit D and DHEA. Also mentioned doing hypothyroid treatments per Dr. Wilson (Not Lawrence Wilson) specifically.
multispeed27 =3 times a day Avena Sativa (“Controlled Labs, Blue Up, Natural Test Booster”) + Tamofixen
No5= Natural recovery. Felt summer in Greek sped up recovery (sun, no stress, sea?). Aerobic, good diet, positive mindset.
patientb =Vitamin B6 100 mg every day for 5 months + Quick Burst workouts -> Then symptons improved once he added Kal High Potency soft multiple – multivitamin & 30 minutes of swimming laps every day.
reason =Natural recovery. Diagnized adrenal fatigue -> Good diet, full sleep and resting for whole weekend. Felt cold water swimming helped him.
StartingOver = Natural recovery. Propecia caused freezing winters (hypothyroidism). Recovery phases overlapped with jetlag and flying. Gym, avoided bread, tried veganism. Eventually admitted that probably hard sessions in volleyball and red meat started his recovery.
Trickster = Doc trazodone (spelling? It’s a hormone), bodybuilding, Hcg and good mentality.
tryingnottoworry = Eat organich baby spinach 140g/d for 14 days for substance called dolichol, recovered quickly. (same for mariovitali in 2nd post)
yoyo = Natural recovery. A little viagra, body building, macca yohimbe went a long way. Also focused on stress and reducing stress and sadness.
propeciAUS = 10d water fast->bone broths, soups->GAPS->Paleo with cheat days. “Interestingly I got my best results when I stopped supplementing with vitamins etc and the only thing I took was a daily probiotic and digestive enzymes with each of the main meals. Oh sorry, I also took cod liver oil and flaxseed oil each morning. One thing I noticed was that the skin condition (doctor said it was psoriasis) that appeared just after my crash has now completely gone." Someone else did the same route as propecciAUS though and did not recover.
cdnuts = Many months of Raw diet plus several shorter fasts -> 2w water fast -> Paleo with carb back loading (no gluten or any kind of stimulants, stay well hydrated); meditation, Mindfulness, positivity etc; 3/w heavy weights and 1-2/w HIIT (eg springs); Cycling several testosterone boosters; Androhard 6w PCT 30d; B-complex, Magnesium complex, fish oils, Vitamin D 5000 iu;
Toadstool (?) = 1,5 months grassfeed Bone Broth, veggies, seasalt, probiotics -> slowlty to Paleo and lots of kefir + 100 bil probiotics. Big improvement when removed gluten and grains. I’m unsure if he is still recovered, apologies if I’m wrong.
Dynaaminen = Positivity, Testogel, L-tyrosine (brainfog), Gym 3-4/w with foottraining for libido, no excess sex, Minerals B-vitamins Sauerkraut, superfoods, enzymes… “Went overboard with supplements”. Breakthrought with chinese herbs (eg. Ron Teeguarden’s Dragon Jing), suggested Ron Teeguarden book “The Ancient Wisdom of the Chinese Tonic Herbs”. Felt that earthing had positive impact on symptons.
solonjk = Bad adrenal fatigue, 2 years in bed. Recovered for most part with a long, constant prostate Manila – technique treatment coupled with antibiotics. (See: Kos island treatments). Personally do not recommend antibiotics at any cost. fwiw: Dr Lawrence Wilson’s adrenal supplement made his adrenal symptons worse.
cgj1 = T3+T4+pregnelone until his metabolism sped up, then small amounts of Clomid.
japanther = Mainly had brainfog for PFS: fixed it only with Raw Diet.
bizzy (japanther-topic) = Natural recovery. Believes that faith cured him.
FJ929 = Mainly had brainfog for PFS: fixed it with 5-HTP.
[italian PFS sufferer] = Recovered with 28d water fast (“14 day water fast - my improvements”, pg.7)
Claro = Recovered mostly with long water fasts, still gut/candida issues due to use of antibiotics.
light at the end = Recovery with Deprenly and Progesterone.
beekay = Progesterone 5mg, pregnelone 50mg, lots of supplements, pos. attitude = 80% -> clomid ja nolva -> 100%
letsconvenience = Recovered with Dr. Lawrence Wilson protocol/supplements.
“Lawrence#2” = Very strictly daily enemas with (coffee?) enemas
“Lawrence#3” = Dr. Lawrence Wilson supplements + 1/month liver flushes with enemas -> libido back with Peat-diet
Special mentions:
Chi = Same protocol as cdnuts, recovered in 2014
mariovitali = Recovered in 2015. Many different protocols -> Methylation, felt something was missing -> NOS-protocol (Rucola/Rocket-salad) -> Realized it was Dolichol (spinach) plus certain supplements that recovered him, instead of NOS. Suffered PFS for 10 years.
Reply2014 AND ONWARD & SPECIAL CASES
This is more work-in-progress, I haven’t bothered editing this as much.
IHP = 10d Water fast -> Diet, Antifungals Med ja Suppl… tl;dr: recovered ny focusing entirely on candida and leaky gut protocols. Came back at 2014 as he’s regressed a bit? JQD or someone can fill up on that. Posts now in PH, or at least used to until Theories section got closed.
??? (IHP topic) = Chinese herbs recovered 70% sexuality -> “damp coldness/heat” acupuncture recovered to 80% (“common for women in Asia who take birth control pills”)
FranzFan = Recovered i think? I can’t remember the details.
corroivp = Recovered TWICE, crashed again/ third time due to acid reflux and allergies.
joetz = Recovered for a long time with stem cell therapy, then slowly after months he regressed back to PFS. Interestingly had detox symptons at the beginning of SCT. Treatment has risks, stem cells must be made from specific fat from specific place of the body.
keepthefaith (?) = following mlevyholden and Chi, fixed diet and started hitting gym actively (specifically compact movements but cardio as well). 80% recovery, feels that prostatis last symptom to beat as it aches.
-JN- =Proviron (DHT), felt that was not curing the cause -> Breakthrough with T3 and Adrenal supplements -> Feels that Cop-Zinc-ratio, anti-candida/parasite is the real cause
Austinite007 =Natural recovery
Cliffs =Took DIM, tribulus, and a topical DHT -> 6-8 weeks later his puffy nipples went away and libido was pretty much back. -> 6-8 weeks later he stopped DIM (doesn’t say if he stopped Trib and DHT gel) and 2 months later he felt like pre-fin days
Danielmotion01 =Lots of symptons -> diagnosed high RT3 and low T3 -> T3 treatment, everything recovered
[Some spanish guy cepo mentioned] =Positive attitude & weightlifting 3 years straight.
finhelp47 = cycling Vit E 200/400mg, 2-6 fish oil capsules, seldomly multivitamin which had ginseng 40mg which boosted libido
fuckfin =Synthroid (T4, thyroid medicine), Viagra, sex ja mastubation to recovery
GN9904 =Ciproxin (antibiotic) helped but otherwise natural recovery; believes that masturbation was critical
HopingForMore =2-3 High doses Tribulus Extract/day, 5 days a week
istherehope =Healthy lifestyle, herbal supplements, DIM for 3 months, gym 5/w (weight, some cardio, protein shakes and rich diet, maca, vitamin complex, hgweed, tribulus with l-arginine, something else… lots of broccoli and green tean, zinc, vitamin d. ! Cycled herbs on and off 6-8 months. Felt tribulus and arginine was important, DIM+Trib caused pain to prostate especially if he took alcohol the night before. pains ended once he quit the supplements (when he recovered).
John Coleman = Diagnosed adrenal fatigue with Dr.Wilson’s book (not Lawrence Wilson). Made natural recovery with good sleep, stop taking supplements, stopped negative obsessive thoughts and focused on positivity, ate lot of veggies. Confirmed recovery from adrenal fatigue with pupil dilation - testwhen he recovered.
Jon Doe = Natural recovery. Only slept more than usual due to depression and took way less sugar since he read about leaky gut. His full-blown gynecomastia removed with his recovery as well!
[Jon Doe’s topic: Guillermo Alvarez] =John Doe’s friend recovered naturally in 2 years.
Matis =Natural recovery. Stopped all substances (alcohol included) for the duration of recovery.
MikeS1025 =Natural recovery. Quit couple of supplements, did Kegels, kept taking Vit D and Centrum Multi-V, commented that erections lasted longer thru sex rather than masturbating. In the end, started eating healthy and gym 3-4/w.
MrMojo=Acupuncture (endocrine soft reset) -> 14 months Test cypionate and Sonoma Diet, symptons improved when he fixed Vit D and DHEA. Also mentioned doing hypothyroid treatments per Dr. Wilson (Not Lawrence Wilson) specifically.
multispeed27 =3 times a day Avena Sativa (“Controlled Labs, Blue Up, Natural Test Booster”) + Tamofixen
No5= Natural recovery. Felt summer in Greek sped up recovery (sun, no stress, sea?). Aerobic, good diet, positive mindset.
patientb =Vitamin B6 100 mg every day for 5 months + Quick Burst workouts -> Then symptons improved once he added Kal High Potency soft multiple – multivitamin & 30 minutes of swimming laps every day.
reason =Natural recovery. Diagnized adrenal fatigue -> Good diet, full sleep and resting for whole weekend. Felt cold water swimming helped him.
StartingOver = Natural recovery. Propecia caused freezing winters (hypothyroidism). Recovery phases overlapped with jetlag and flying. Gym, avoided bread, tried veganism. Eventually admitted that probably hard sessions in volleyball and red meat started his recovery.
Trickster = Doc trazodone (spelling? It’s a hormone), bodybuilding, Hcg and good mentality.
tryingnottoworry = Eat organich baby spinach 140g/d for 14 days for substance called dolichol, recovered quickly. (same for mariovitali in 2nd post)
yoyo = Natural recovery. A little viagra, body building, macca yohimbe went a long way. Also focused on stress and reducing stress and sadness.
propeciAUS = 10d water fast->bone broths, soups->GAPS->Paleo with cheat days. “Interestingly I got my best results when I stopped supplementing with vitamins etc and the only thing I took was a daily probiotic and digestive enzymes with each of the main meals. Oh sorry, I also took cod liver oil and flaxseed oil each morning. One thing I noticed was that the skin condition (doctor said it was psoriasis) that appeared just after my crash has now completely gone." Someone else did the same route as propecciAUS though and did not recover.
cdnuts = Many months of Raw diet plus several shorter fasts -> 2w water fast -> Paleo with carb back loading (no gluten or any kind of stimulants, stay well hydrated); meditation, Mindfulness, positivity etc; 3/w heavy weights and 1-2/w HIIT (eg springs); Cycling several testosterone boosters; Androhard 6w PCT 30d; B-complex, Magnesium complex, fish oils, Vitamin D 5000 iu;
Toadstool (?) = 1,5 months grassfeed Bone Broth, veggies, seasalt, probiotics -> slowlty to Paleo and lots of kefir + 100 bil probiotics. Big improvement when removed gluten and grains. I’m unsure if he is still recovered, apologies if I’m wrong.
Dynaaminen = Positivity, Testogel, L-tyrosine (brainfog), Gym 3-4/w with foottraining for libido, no excess sex, Minerals B-vitamins Sauerkraut, superfoods, enzymes… “Went overboard with supplements”. Breakthrought with chinese herbs (eg. Ron Teeguarden’s Dragon Jing), suggested Ron Teeguarden book “The Ancient Wisdom of the Chinese Tonic Herbs”. Felt that earthing had positive impact on symptons.
solonjk = Bad adrenal fatigue, 2 years in bed. Recovered for most part with a long, constant prostate Manila – technique treatment coupled with antibiotics. (See: Kos island treatments). Personally do not recommend antibiotics at any cost. fwiw: Dr Lawrence Wilson’s adrenal supplement made his adrenal symptons worse.
cgj1 = T3+T4+pregnelone until his metabolism sped up, then small amounts of Clomid.
japanther = Mainly had brainfog for PFS: fixed it only with Raw Diet.
bizzy (japanther-topic) = Natural recovery. Believes that faith cured him.
FJ929 = Mainly had brainfog for PFS: fixed it with 5-HTP.
[italian PFS sufferer] = Recovered with 28d water fast (“14 day water fast - my improvements”, pg.7)
Claro = Recovered mostly with long water fasts, still gut/candida issues due to use of antibiotics.
light at the end = Recovery with Deprenly and Progesterone.
beekay = Progesterone 5mg, pregnelone 50mg, lots of supplements, pos. attitude = 80% -> clomid ja nolva -> 100%
letsconvenience = Recovered with Dr. Lawrence Wilson protocol/supplements.
“Lawrence#2” = Very strictly daily enemas with (coffee?) enemas
“Lawrence#3” = Dr. Lawrence Wilson supplements + 1/month liver flushes with enemas -> libido back with Peat-diet
Special mentions:
Chi = Same protocol as cdnuts, recovered in 2014
mariovitali = Recovered in 2015. Many different protocols -> Methylation, felt something was missing -> NOS-protocol (Rucola/Rocket-salad) -> Realized it was Dolichol (spinach) plus certain supplements that recovered him, instead of NOS. Suffered PFS for 10 years.
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This is more work-in-progress, I haven’t bothered editing this as much.
IHP = 10d Water fast -> Diet, Antifungals Med ja Suppl… tl;dr: recovered ny focusing entirely on candida and leaky gut protocols. Came back at 2014 as he’s regressed a bit? JQD or someone can fill up on that. Posts now in PH, or at least used to until Theories section got closed.
??? (IHP topic) = Chinese herbs recovered 70% sexuality -> “damp coldness/heat” acupuncture recovered to 80% (“common for women in Asia who take birth control pills”)
FranzFan = Recovered i think? I can’t remember the details.
corroivp = Recovered TWICE, crashed again/ third time due to acid reflux and allergies.
joetz = Recovered for a long time with stem cell therapy, then slowly after months he regressed back to PFS. Interestingly had detox symptons at the beginning of SCT. Treatment has risks, stem cells must be made from specific fat from specific place of the body.
keepthefaith (?) = following mlevyholden and Chi, fixed diet and started hitting gym actively (specifically compact movements but cardio as well). 80% recovery, feels that prostatis last symptom to beat as it aches.
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DIM is used to increase T, but to lower E, I believe. It didn't help me. Of all the T-boosters I tried, Pine Pollen gave me the most benefits. Tribulus supplements differ a lot. It needs to have a lot of protodioscin, which most do not even include.
But yeah, those particular recoveries sound like stuff we're doing over here. Also scrolling through more recoveries, some can't put their finger on what helped them the most, but they all have a combination of calcium, zinc, magnesium and vitamins as a foundation.
But yeah, those particular recoveries sound like stuff we're doing over here. Also scrolling through more recoveries, some can't put their finger on what helped them the most, but they all have a combination of calcium, zinc, magnesium and vitamins as a foundation.
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I am slow oxidizer, just waiting on my current scalp hair test, hopefully have results next week.
Was doing great on electrolytes(KCl, MgCl), HCl, zinc, manganese, chromium, selenium, and all the Bs, on my last mineral round. Been off supps most of Dec and all Jan, this brought back big time shrinkage and lots of hair shedding. Made me firm believer that mineral route is the way to go, can't wait to get TEI rec's and get back on them.
I am going full out TEI this year, will test every 2months, so 5-6 tests, I want to put this recovery in the last mile.
Was doing great on electrolytes(KCl, MgCl), HCl, zinc, manganese, chromium, selenium, and all the Bs, on my last mineral round. Been off supps most of Dec and all Jan, this brought back big time shrinkage and lots of hair shedding. Made me firm believer that mineral route is the way to go, can't wait to get TEI rec's and get back on them.
I am going full out TEI this year, will test every 2months, so 5-6 tests, I want to put this recovery in the last mile.