Reverse penile fibrosis and testicular shrinkage

hopeforrecovery

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Sounds not Bad! Do you also experience PFS and shrinkage? If yes, have you ever seen improvements?
i will watch out for fasudil, but I think it's not that easy in Europe. Maybe you could PM me for help?


Thanks for all that!
Best regards
 
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There has to be studies about this in humans. To show that finasteride can cause penile fibrosis is as easy as making biopsies to penises of old people after they die and and compare those who were on finasteride or dutasteride to those who were not on antiandrogens. Rats and dogs research points in that direction. If the correlation and causation was proved in humans a lot more of research and medical attention would be pointed at this issue and the treatments would get much better.

I hope the best for you hopeforrecovery and for all those you who are suffering from penile fibrosis. Keep fighting, don't give up. Things will get better.
 

hopeforrecovery

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There has to be studies about this in humans. To show that finasteride can cause penile fibrosis is as easy as making biopsies to penises of old people after they die and and compare those who were on finasteride or dutasteride to those who were not on antiandrogens. Rats and dogs research points in that direction. If the correlation and causation was proved in humans a lot more of research and medical attention would be pointed at this issue and the treatments would get much better.

I hope the best for you hopeforrecovery and for all those you who are suffering from penile fibrosis. Keep fighting, don't give up. Things will get better.

Thanks for this text!
But the only question is if scarring is reversible. Some people say yes, some say no. It's crazy.

I will go on on my natural protocol for some weeks and let you know. For now I only can say that daily cold showers make my flaccid penis look bigger and better, maybe more healthy. In Erection is still damn shrunk.

I will go on and fight like you guys.
 

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Just throwing previously known ideas out there to all on this thread...

I have restarted a low dose, EOD Cialis... likely works out to be about a mg... allows for blood flow and erection trigger, though no old style libido... which is expected.

Be careful when starting multiple products.. it's best to use something for a week, and add to it as you see how it affects you... I had a tightening issue for two weeks this month and it was ashwaganda... not saying to stay away from it as it could help others, but it worked negatively for me.

I'm using R-Andro at the moment as well. Improves mood, maybe libido,( I kinda notice it) and helps in the gym.

I'm also adding L-Lysine / L-Proline / Vitamin C tonight to match what @Area-1255 posted earlier (Maybe he can reply to this with dosages and timings? Twice a day better? Mornings only once? ). I'll keep everyone posted but it's supposedly a plaque cleaning mixture... cheap and we'll see.

Joe Rogan did a podcast with Ben Greenfield who's a personal trainer but also an investigational journalist who tries stuff on his own body. Believes in red light therapy and that wifi is bad for you. Podcast is over 2 hours but they talk about stem cells injected in the penis. He said it improved size. I'm going to investigate it but I likely won't go down that path ... depends on risk level and cost. But I'm throwing it out there so you know it exists... could be $10k but anything is possible if you want it bad enough.
 

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4 posts up, read ghost's post with the recovery that ends with:

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One game changer for me was a glute stretch, I don't know the name though. But I will try my best to describe it

Sit on a hard chair with back straight.
Take foot from right leg and rest it on top of the left leg.
Now lean forward


This stretch freed my pudendal nerve big time. I was sitting in a uni lecture doing this (had been doing it for a few weeks) and I literally felt my hip move and click and an electrical charge went all the way to my penis; but in a good way."

Yea this is something I think might be huge. I don't even know if the OP noticed how important that stretch was in terms of what it does, but it's a nerve stretch and I notice that now. Have you read "A headache in the pelvis"? If you need a copy of it, just PM me. I want to outline an entire PT routine for people to use for PSSD/PFS. There are some trigger points and stretches for the Pudental nerve in particular.

I've started to put together a "Diagnostics" section of my site that will eventually have some PT stuff on the pages as well. This knowledge should be open to all, and it currently isn't. So I'm going to make sure that changes.

Diagnostics
 

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Not sure why anyone hasn't tried this yet in this thread with fibrosis issues....the peptide GHK-CU...stuff is shown to reverse fibrosis, DNA repair, wound healing, tissue repair, strong anti inflammatory, reverse scarring, hair growth, fix skin pigmentation etc

Look at the "Gene expression chart" in the link below..it literally influences so many tissue healing genes
Anti-Oxidant and Anti-Inflammatory Actions of GHK and GHK-Cu | The Science of Loren Pickart PhD - NEW Book Now Available: Reverse Skin Aging | Discover Copper's Many Health Benefits

Lifescience Global :: Abstract : GHK, the Human Skin Remodeling Peptide, Induces Anti-Cancer Expression of Numerous Caspase, Growth Regulatory, and DNA Repair Genes
Anti-Oxidant and Anti-Inflammatory Actions of GHK and GHK-Cu | The Science of Loren Pickart PhD - NEW Book Now Available: Reverse Skin Aging | Discover Copper's Many Health Benefits
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/151479/abs/
http://skinbiology.com/brainsci-07-00020.pdf
GHK-Cu may Prevent Oxidative Stress in Skin by Regulating Copper and Modifying Expression of Numerous Antioxidant Genes
A gene expression signature of emphysema-related lung destruction and its reversal by the tripeptide GHK
http://skinbiology.com/SOFW2015_CosmeceuticalTriPeptideGHK.pdf


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hopeforrecovery

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Of all what I've red this sounds like the most promising answer to reverse penile shrinkage! If all my natural steps will not change nothing for the next months, I will try it.

Best regards
 

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@TubZy
Do you know if anyone has tried this ghk-cu yet...and is it pill form or injection? I know there is a thread somewhere but for some reason I cannot seem to find where it’s located.
Edit: found the thread under hair & skin topic :)
 
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Yes, sir!
Randro gets better each time!
I also feel increased aggression which is something I use to have prior to PFS and tbh I kind of like it. I missed the aggression, the passion the alpha ego feeling. Sounds pretty douchie but it feels good and normal.

Getting off is easy and I pretty much go for the cdsnuts protocol with it where I cycle herbs such as tongkat Ali, tribulous and cistanche. I also add creatine and lcarnatine as a bonus. After my 2nd cycle I noticed it felt like I was still on it 1 1/2 weeks after I stopped taking it and overall baseline went up. You'll notice your body adapting to being more n more androgenic again.
@IHateFin
I thought I recall you saying your first round with RU improved shrinkage...or maybe relaxed your balls so they weren’t so high & tight(?). If so, did the benefits stick? Maybe @hopeforrecovery can try RU if hasn’t done so already. I’m still thinking of trying it as I am in the same boat as @hopeforrecovery. However I am hesitant because my blood labs do not seem to reflect the same results as others with PFS.
 

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I obviously will try it. GHK-cu looks promising... I've read somewhere that it's for 'advanced' peptide users so I'm wondering if there's an overdose limit...
 

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The Effect of the Human Peptide GHK on Gene Expression Relevant to Nervous System Function and Cognitive Decline
Regarding lethal dosage. THis is for mice, but supposedly it would be around 23,000mgs. Considering vials are 50mg-200mg or so, that's one hell of an overdose. That seems to be for tablets though.

"GHK-Cu does lower blood pressure, but the LD50 (Lethal Dose for 50% of mice) for such effects would be about a single dosage of 23,000 mgs of GHK-Cu in a 70 kg human. In GHK-Cu’s long history of use in cosmetics, no health issues have ever arisen. We were never able to find an LD 50 for GHK without copper."
 

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@IHateFin
I thought I recall you saying your first round with RU improved shrinkage...or maybe relaxed your balls so they weren’t so high & tight(?). If so, did the benefits stick? Maybe @hopeforrecovery can try RU if hasn’t done so already. I’m still thinking of trying it as I am in the same boat as @hopeforrecovery. However I am hesitant because my blood labs do not seem to reflect the same results as others with PFS.

Yes it did relax my balls. They are still more often than not more relaxed still so that has stuck.
 

IHateFin

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A peptide with gene repair capabilities? Seems pretty interesting. Looks to work by helping shuttle copper into cells if I read that right.
 

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so I wanted to update everyone on some fibrosis remedies that will work for us

from the research I've done (sorry, can't be bothered for links atm, you're gonna have to look it up on your own until I have some time to dig again. I'm gonna start collecting links for my write up when I post my protocol on what worked for recovering me) here's what I'm taking/doing and what I would rec for increasing blood flow and preventing/reversing penile fibrosis:

as far as supplements, all of these will increase blood flow, NO or reinstate neural connections. There was scientific literature on each of these sups that I found, if you google their names with fibrosis, erectile dysfunction or blood flow you may be able to find the studies I found:
l-arginine, low dose cialis (5mg eod,), ecklovian cava, alpha lipoic acid, tumeric extract, taurine, tribulus.

next, I'd rec doing massages, stretches and lots of aerobic exercise that will increase blood flow to your genitals and pelvic floor. releasing pelvic floor tension can be a huge part of blood supply issues. google techniques to get blood flow into genitals, prostate, pelvic floor. additionally, lots of aerobic exercise will control insulin and supply blood to where your body needs it. getting a pump (bathmate?) and stimulating blood flow to your penis manually is also necessary. don't let your junk sit around getting cold, it will lead to more fibrosis.

finally, you must have your diet on point. I juice almost every morning and don't eat until I get truly hungry. high carbs will mess with your insulin and make it challenging for blood to reach extremities. I had constantly cold hands, feet and penis while in the worst of PFS. these symptoms are commonly seen with diabetics who have bad blood supply due to insulin resistance. insulin resistance will cause ed through bad blood flow, but it will also kill nerve connections and kill sensitivity. you know why diabetics often have hands or feet amputated? because their blood supply is all messed up from insulin resistance and when they get a wound on a body part with bad blood supply, your body has trouble fighting infection and fibrosis. this is what is happening with our dicks. chances are, I bet any of you with ED issues also have freezing hands and feet. even brain fog can be explained by bad blood supply/insulin resisitance. you must get your insulin under control by limiting carbs and not binge eating.

this goes the same with fats, there are a lot of healthy fats, of course, but you need to eat in moderation, binge eating will mess with your blood pressure, cholest, and make all of your symptoms worse if you're not getting proper blood supply. diet was such a huge part of my symptoms and was the hardest to change because the foods we eat are so addicting, but a lot of them are killing us quite literally. ultimately, you must really regulate what your body needs, nothing more, nothing less. you should aim to maintain a healthy body weight and consume around the amount of calories your body needs every day.

I believe everyone's pfs may be different, but for those who have insulin resistance symptoms, this will cure your sexual sides eventually. If you go hyper/hypoglycemic, you will benefit immensely from getting your diet under control. I didn't realize how bad my blood sugar issues were. I've seen a lot of progress, it is slow, but it is happening. my penis is actually warm,pink and happy again lol, whereas it was cold,white and unresponsive for most of my PFS experience.

all of these things are equally important together, if you aren't exercising and eating right, the supp's wont matter. this is a holistic process, you must commit fully or you can't expect a recovery. I dicked off a lot during this time and could have recovered within months instead of going on 15+ now if I was more disciplined and educated. the longer you put off doing what you need to do, the longer you'll be stuck here and the more damage you will be doing. unfortunately, fibrosis can become permanent, the sooner you get at this the better chance you have at fully recovering. currently, my shaft is basically recovered, put the head of my penis, the corpus cavernous, is still missing a lot of sensitivity, blood flow and could have leakage. some days are better than others, and I'm seeing progress like I said, so I have a lot of hope, my libido is fully back before PFS and fibrosis is the last thing I'm really dealing with. otherwise it's just manage. I'll be posting a full protocol of what I did soon. good luck guys.
 
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Good sh.t, @Rid

I've wondered a lot about insulin, as I have the cold hands and feet/ get low blood sugar/lightheaded feeling easily, and occasional brain fog. I did paleo for 3 months this summer. Felt better emotionally than I had in a while, but sexually felt nothing.

I strongly agree about the pelvic floor.
 
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Thank you for that joekool!
But sadly I couldn't find any stories about r-andro reversing shrinkage. Is there a link or something?
All urologists and doctors told me that penile scarring is irreversible, and I'm so scared that it's true.
And I mean to take evening primrose oral with juice not on the penis....
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That's bullshit man. I had scares in my penis and calcifications also.
Now everything is fine, no scares and no calcifications at all.
At the time PFS was a new issue so I didn't have any help and I just let time do its thing.
 

hopeforrecovery

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That's bullshit man. I had scares in my penis and calcifications also.
Now everything is fine, no scares and no calcifications at all.
At the time PFS was a new issue so I didn't have any help and I just let time do its thing.

Damn that gives me much hope! Thanks for this post!
So your shrinkage is completely reversed? Could you maybe tell me or us more about your experience with fibrosis?
And you did not take any supplements?

I have shrinkage since 2 years now and things just get worse...


Best regards
 
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My penis was literally half the size it is right now for 5 full months (last March through July or so). If you start recovering from PFS, that comes with it.

I wouldn't do anything crazy guys like stem cells etc. Work on yourself and finding a way for yourself to fix your PFS imbalance and things will start going forward.
 

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Damn that gives me much hope! Thanks for this post!
So your shrinkage is completely reversed? Could you maybe tell me or us more about your experience with fibrosis?
And you did not take any supplements?
I have shrinkage since 2 years now and things just get worse...
Best regards
Well, I remember I was having pain everytime I was trying to get an erection, pain mostly in my left or right side, I don't remember exactly.
I remember I had 2 balls in the middle of my penis hurting a lot.. so I decided to go to doctor who checked my penis with a special machine and told me that my penis had 2 calcification balls and scares and that was the reason I Always had pain to get an erection.
I was a crazy guy and I was so messed up by PFS that I couldnt even think, so I even didnt care that much...I mean, I didnt understand it was something so Dangerous.
Time by time, everything changed bit by bit without any supplements...(I only used GHB for 1 month)... now my penis is fine, well I have no balls inside and no pain.