RU + Progesterone Cycle (PFS, PSSD)

[bruschi11]

Yea it seems like going back on PROG causes what seems like a setback, maybe its prolactin, maybe its not. Maybe it just has to do with the excess prog in your system causing sexual issues while the actual underlying PFS imbalance is improving.

I'm doing 5-6 days overall (on day 2) of this second prog cycle post RU. Just 1.5mg daily in the morning dropped on testicles. Beginning prog again definitely gave me a setback in terms of erections, but still woke up with moderately strong morning wood this morning again. Next week will be interesting as I essentially permanently stop progesterone cycles.

In my state these cycles aren't the best as I can't tolerate the mental/physical sides from it for too long. But the goal is to get healthier and healthier over the next several months and if I need these cycles again, I will begin in August or so.

 

[Jack17]

Yea it seems like going back on PROG causes what seems like a setback, maybe its prolactin, maybe its not. Maybe it just has to do with the excess prog in your system causing sexual issues while the actual underlying PFS imbalance is improving.

I'm doing 5-6 days overall (on day 2) of this second prog cycle post RU. Just 1.5mg daily in the morning dropped on testicles. Beginning prog again definitely gave me a setback in terms of erections, but still woke up with moderately strong morning wood this morning again. Next week will be interesting as I essentially permanently stop progesterone cycles.

In my state these cycles aren't the best as I can't tolerate the mental/physical sides from it for too long. But the goal is to get healthier and healthier over the next several months and if I need these cycles again, I will begin in August or so.

I might stop progesterone today. What do you think about restating RU for 1-3 days to maybe reset things. I had a minor surgery on Saturday and took a lot of Vicodin. Wondering if that messed things up a bit. Took half caber tab yesterday. Slightly better today but definitely a set back.

 

[Jack17]

I might stop progesterone today. What do you think about restating RU for 1-3 days to maybe reset things. I had a minor surgery on Saturday and took a lot of Vicodin. Wondering if that messed things up a bit. Took half caber tab yesterday. Slightly better today but definitely a set back.

 

[bruschi11]

My bad. Give me an @ so I can see it.

I don’t know man. Vicodin is extremely strong and I think it’s very likely the combination of that and go back on prog could’ve caused the setback.

Remember we are really trying to emulate the dudes on PH ELB, light at the end, beekay. They all said that when they’d go back on prog at times they would crash. “But you gotta ride it out and keep going” I remember one of them said.

Prog being in your system is going to cause the average male less sexuality. We aren’t using prog to feel better when we are on it. We are using prog to fix what fin did to us and eventually be off of it forever if it does what we want it to do.

 

[Jack17]

Yea it seems like going back on PROG causes what seems like a setback, maybe its prolactin, maybe its not. Maybe it just has to do with the excess prog in your system causing sexual issues while the actual underlying PFS imbalance is improving.

I'm doing 5-6 days overall (on day 2) of this second prog cycle post RU. Just 1.5mg daily in the morning dropped on testicles. Beginning prog again definitely gave me a setback in terms of erections, but still woke up with moderately strong morning wood this morning again. Next week will be interesting as I essentially permanently stop progesterone cycles.

In my state these cycles aren't the best as I can't tolerate the mental/physical sides from it for too long. But the goal is to get healthier and healthier over the next several months and if I need these cycles again, I will begin in August or so.

Update:
I stopped progesterone yesterday(Monday last day) so that was a 6 day course. Starting Sunday I started feeling the drop off. Trying to track all this is tough but looking back I realize that having sex on Friday was not as normal. A couple days before that it was totally like pre Pfs. I just dismissed it as the ups and downs with this syndrome but I think it was actually from increasing prolactin. Then Saturday had the minor surgery, a lot of Vicodin and big drop off. I took half caber tab Monday and Ella 10mg yesterday. This morning very strong morning wood. Libido increasing. So I think I am back on track, hopefully! So the lessons are that progesterone is pushing up prolactin over time and half selegiline( not consistent) a day and some inositol 4g ( smaller dose than most take) did not control prolactin. And the bad effects of progesterone for some maybe inadequate control of prolactin. I took one Ella 10mg yesterday and thinking about doing three day course. Last Ella run was almost 2 months ago. Decided not to do Ru because I have a feeling that you can get tolerant to everything and mixing it up a bit might help that. And I have several Ella tabs. Side note. Been feeling more depressed past couple days but woke up this morning in much better mood. I will also be adding some herbs pct for a week.

 

[bruschi11]

I fasted yesterday while on 1.5mg prog and as day went on libido got better and better. Last night felt really good for during fast.
Like really good it was great my libido compared to normal.

I’ve been taking L-dopa (mucuna) the last three nights now and woke up with great morning erections. I think L-dopa in morning hurts fatigue combined with the prog. But at night, the strong mornings have been consistent now.

Today’s tough, the fatigue from prog combined with fast/coffee enema where toxins piled up is just quite a bit for me and light sensitivity is tough too. But I keep on feeling more normal in terms of libido, my penis and nuts just feel more normal too.

 

[Chapman]

@bruschi11 I'm getting prog tomorrow so going to emulate light at the end protocol, are you guys using deprenyl or selegiline like light?

 

[bruschi11]

@Chapman I’m using L-dopa (aka mucuna pruriens I believe it’s 600mg per capsule). Been tinkering between 1 and 2 capsules before bed.

I believe using it in the morning was not good for my fatigue issues. Using it at night the last 3 nights I woke up with strong morning wood. I think this is probably smarter way to go as you won’t have to mess with a prescription drug but I could be wrong.

 

[bruschi11]

@bruschi11 I'm getting prog tomorrow so going to emulate light at the end protocol, are you guys using deprenyl or selegiline like light?

Based on my experience and the PH guys, keep prog low like 1-5mg.

 

[Chapman]

@brongfogboy are you the same person from PH (brainfogboy)? any thoughts on this, on using prog?

 

[Jack17]

@bruschi11 I'm getting prog tomorrow so going to emulate light at the end protocol, are you guys using deprenyl or selegiline like light?

I’m using selegiline. 1/2 tab once or twice a day. I think a key part of this regimen is to control prolactin from going up but I also feel like over treating, suppressing prolactin too much is a problem. I think it’s easy to over treat w caber but the supplements and stuff like selegiline prob less likely to over treat IMO. Good luck!

 

[Jack17]

Based on my experience and the PH guys, keep prog low like 1-5mg.

How are you doing?? Probably too early to know for sure but I’m feeling like I’m getting the bounce back. Much better morning wood. I’ve also notice the sweating/ body Oder this morning and better libido. The sweating/ body Oder is obvious when I’m improving. I’ve noticed that it’s actually a good indicator. This syndrome is so crazy I had like no sweating/ body Oder for the past year. I actually had stopped using deodorant without really realizing why. Crazy!! Taking Ella at the end of the progesterone cycle may be a good thing, maybe! But anyway, hope you’re doing better.

 

[brongfogboy]

@brongfogboy are you the same person from PH (brainfogboy)? any thoughts on this, on using prog?

I've been taking progesterone off and on now for around three years and it is the only supplement that I still don't know how to describe the effects. I think the effects change depending on my specific cortisol and blood sugar levels at the exact time that I take it and what other supplements I have in my bloodstream at that time. It's more complicated than what most think IMO.

The consistentcies I see:

I gain around 5 pounds when I stay on anything above 5mg (weight leaves when I discontinue).
I usually experience loss of libido.
It seems to give a calming effect.
It seems to allow supplements to function correctly that previously did not work.
Sleep seems better when I am supplementing

It's a strange supplement for sure IMO, I can't recommend it to anyone and at the same time I think there is something important there for PFS'ers so I would say explorer cautiously and pay careful attention in order to master it. I think a 1mg dose (just a smudge) gives me benefits with almost no negatives, but then over time it seems to turn on me, so you have to get the dosage just right for your body chemistry.

I wish I could be more helpful but sometimes the truth just doesn't make for useful advice.

 

[Jack17]

I've been taking progesterone off and on now for around three years and it is the only supplement that I still don't know how to describe the effects. I think the effects change depending on my specific cortisol and blood sugar levels at the exact time that I take it and what other supplements I have in my bloodstream at that time. It's more complicated than what most think IMO.

The consistentcies I see:

I gain around 5 pounds when I stay on anything above 5mg (weight leaves when I discontinue).
I usually experience loss of libido.
It seems to give a calming effect.
It seems to allow supplements to function correctly that previously did not work.
Sleep seems better when I am supplementing

It's a strange supplement for sure IMO, I can't recommend it to anyone and at the same time I think there is something important there for PFS'ers so I would say explorer cautiously and pay careful attention in order to master it. I think a 1mg dose (just a smudge) gives me benefits with almost no negatives, but then over time it seems to turn on me, so you have to get the dosage just right for your body chemistry.

I wish I could be more helpful but sometimes the truth just doesn't make for useful advice.

Hi...
It sounds like you were having some benefits, maybe from the cortisol effect but did not help cure this. Did you cycle it, like 7-14 days on and then off for several days? Have you considered using progesterone w RU/Ella?? I think we are hoping that this protocol helps propel the bounce back/ resetting what ever was so messed up. Although I felt really good the first couple weeks on this protocol, even had surge in libido, I think the cure lies within stopping and experiencing the bounce back, IMO. Where did you apply the progesterone?
There is something about light and others that were cured with this. Hopefully we can experiment enough to get a better understanding and mimic their results/ benefits. The more that try and report findings, the better IMO. I think this protocol stands alone with the numbef of solid durable recoveries, IMO.
I’ve learned that the prolactin increase interfers with the benefits and could be the source of failure for a lot of people. I also believe you can over treat prolactin by driving too low and mess up LH testosterone, 5a connection/ feed back. Maybe when over treating prolactin it may ultimately give the same side effect as giving testosterone and then it’s counter productive.

 

[Jack17]

I am now day 5 off progesterone. First two days off, no improvement. For the past 3 days I’ve felt a little better each day. Hard to say but after I took Ella ( not sure if this is good or bad) i decreased to about 20-40% normal. I’m maybe now up to 60%. Definitely improving but not back up yet.

 

[bruschi11]

I really like Mucuna Pruriens (aka l-dopa) to curb prolactin at night 1 capsule I believe it was 600mg. 2 capsules gave me too much fatigue. But one seems to do the trick. I'm on day 3 off. Fatigue improving but still tough. Really hoping for a bounce back within the next 24 hours.

Libido good right now, but was like bad this morning. I ate horribly yesterday- 6 slices of pizza like an asshole. Constipated me badly. Today just drinking bone broth this morning has brought back libido.

 

[brongfogboy]

Hi...
It sounds like you were having some benefits, maybe from the cortisol effect but did not help cure this. Did you cycle it, like 7-14 days on and then off for several days? Have you considered using progesterone w RU/Ella?? I think we are hoping that this protocol helps propel the bounce back/ resetting what ever was so messed up. Although I felt really good the first couple weeks on this protocol, even had surge in libido, I think the cure lies within stopping and experiencing the bounce back, IMO. Where did you apply the progesterone?
There is something about light and others that were cured with this. Hopefully we can experiment enough to get a better understanding and mimic their results/ benefits. The more that try and report findings, the better IMO. I think this protocol stands alone with the numbef of solid durable recoveries, IMO.
I’ve learned that the prolactin increase interfers with the benefits and could be the source of failure for a lot of people. I also believe you can over treat prolactin by driving too low and mess up LH testosterone, 5a connection/ feed back. Maybe when over treating prolactin it may ultimately give the same side effect as giving testosterone and then it’s counter productive.

I did cycle it just like lightatthend suggested. I have also tried very long sessions with it (3+months). I usually apply it to inside of arms but have also applied to neck, stomach, testicles and other areas. I don't believe I received added benefit from any specific area, but sometimes it's difficult to be objective about things like this.

 

[bruschi11]

Feeling really good right now 3rd day off the 1mg. Fatigue significantly reduced and libido higher than its been ever with pfs.

It stems from prostate but everything feels so nice right now. Still have an upset stomach and all from the pizza yesterday.

Real live high libido is a nice feeling . Have twice ejaculated today and can still say that.

 

[Jack17]

Feeling really good right now 3rd day off the 1mg. Fatigue significantly reduced and libido higher than its been ever with pfs.

It stems from prostate but everything feels so nice right now. Still have an upset stomach and all from the pizza yesterday.

Real live high libido is a nice feeling . Have twice ejaculated today and can still say that.

Great news! I’m six days off progesterone and five days out from Ella 10mg. Felt noticeably better yesterday and the morning awoke with very strong MW and more libido. I’m trying to keep track of improvement so I’d say 75% better right now. I definitely feel the bounce back now.

 

[Jack17]

I did cycle it just like lightatthend suggested. I have also tried very long sessions with it (3+months). I usually apply it to inside of arms but have also applied to neck, stomach, testicles and other areas. I don't believe I received added benefit from any specific area, but sometimes it's difficult to be objective about things like this.

Did you say that you took progesterone continually for three months? What dose were you using? Did you ever experiment/ focus on determining if you were getting any benefit from the cycling off/ bounce back part of the treatment. When I was experimenting with progesterone, I definitely felt more calm and relaxed and great sleep but the sexually sides only improved first week of treatment. But I ended up taking for extended periods bc I thought it was helping something but then became frustrated w the lack of sexual sides improving. I was sloppy with treatment dosing, meaning I’d use up to 20 mg a day. I never really focused on this on and off cycle and better control of prolactin. I’d use it for weeks at a time. I’m/ we are hoping that may be the key to improving. Again, I think Ella/ru fit into this regimen somewhere. I’m now thinking maybe shorter on cycles like 6 days with low dose is optimal like Bruschi11 said. What do you think??