RU Trials continued

[5 alpha]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2299 time=1508621462 user_id=57]

well i didnt really notice it but after my ru trials it developed a lot more. i wasnt really taking anything new when it started. in fact i didnt really even know what was going on until recently. this whole tie i thought i had a lymph node problem since it was just on my right nipple and on the side of the nip. after ru trails i noticed "hey it got bigger" then it started feeling tender and a bit larger and thats when i put two n two together. i already had it coming, but the upregulation of estrogen from ru kind of exacerbated it a bit.

thats why ru would be perfect if it wasnt an antiandrogen as everything else is forced into place only thing is DHT doesnt come back online as the opposition to estrogen at least maybe not at 50mg; however, we have yet to try 10mg doses. my theory that i posted a page ago stated if we can swith the body to oppose estrogen with dht and lower prog all at the same time then that should do it!

a strong tribulous with some dht boosters should do the trick as well theoretically of course.

sounds like this could be worth a try later on down the road if our RU trials fail.

I had a similar problem at one point. a really small
piece of soft tissue feeling right under my right nipple. It actually started right when I tried my first run on TRT in my early PFS days. after I got off TRT and my hormone levels leveled out it got even smaller and stayed their.

at one point an endocrinologist took a look and said that he could not feel it. of course I pushed the issue lol and he was like ok maybe but it's so small I wouldn't do anything about it.

so our experiences sound pretty similar. mine did not change with the RU though. prob cause I only ran it for three days

yeah we are def similar here.
I cant remember much changes in that one nip after my small 3 day cycle, but after my longer one it seemed to really get bigger. I had an endo check mine as well, but he too said he couldn't feel anything when it first popped up so I just thought it was a messed up lymph node, but after it getting bigger than decreasing substantially I know its just good ol gyno haha would much rather it be that than cancer or something.
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one hundred percent man. I'm a firm believer of being better safe than sorry .

 

[jacknap]

How long do ppl normally take Randro for? Like those that got cured from it was it like 2 weeks on and 2 off or a whole month?

4 weeks of at least 400mg

thought it was 6 weeks? and it's not just Randro. cdnuts protocol is a bunch of things. herbs/randro/fast/paleo/gym etc.

 

[TubZy]

How long do ppl normally take Randro for? Like those that got cured from it was it like 2 weeks on and 2 off or a whole month?

4 weeks of at least 400mg

thought it was 6 weeks? and it's not just Randro. cdnuts protocol is a bunch of things. herbs/randro/fast/paleo/gym etc.

he asked about R andro only not the entire protocol, and 4 weeks was the bare minimum, 6 weeks was the standard

 

[IHateFin]

How long do ppl normally take Randro for? Like those that got cured from it was it like 2 weeks on and 2 off or a whole month?

4 weeks of at least 400mg

swag! thats what i was planning so that works. i just wanted to make sure

 

[Goose12]

How long do ppl normally take Randro for? Like those that got cured from it was it like 2 weeks on and 2 off or a whole month?

4 weeks of at least 400mg

swag! thats what i was planning so that works. i just wanted to make sure

I ran mine for four weeks and got a lot of benefits. I don't think running it longer is any better. I remember reading someone say they ran it for a week and got the same benefits as running it for four.

 

[IHateFin]

4 weeks of at least 400mg

swag! thats what i was planning so that works. i just wanted to make sure

I ran mine for four weeks and got a lot of benefits. I don't think running it longer is any better. I remember reading someone say they ran it for a week and got the same benefits as running it for four.

hmm well if thats the case then i will run my full 4 weeks at 400mg and if i want to touch it again just do it at a week at a time.

 

[wuf]

4 weeks of at least 400mg

swag! thats what i was planning so that works. i just wanted to make sure

I ran mine for four weeks and got a lot of benefits. I don't think running it longer is any better. I remember reading someone say they ran it for a week and got the same benefits as running it for four.

are those improvements still sticked?

 

[Goose12]

swag! thats what i was planning so that works. i just wanted to make sure

I ran mine for four weeks and got a lot of benefits. I don't think running it longer is any better. I remember reading someone say they ran it for a week and got the same benefits as running it for four.

are those improvements still sticked?

Yeah the improvements I got from the snap back stuck. Some of the improvements while on r Andro stuck but not all of them.

 

[wuf]

I ran mine for four weeks and got a lot of benefits. I don't think running it longer is any better. I remember reading someone say they ran it for a week and got the same benefits as running it for four.

are those improvements still sticked?

Yeah the improvements I got from the snap back stuck. Some of the improvements while on r Andro stuck but not all of them.

I guess you are talking about sexual improvements right?
I still do not understand why R andro should give improvements...Can anyone explaine the reason it does help us?
I am wondering if trying a little cycle to test the product on me...
I remember in July I tried just half pill and I got bad sides but later it seemed to have snapped back with improvements....
I am so scared to try things out...afraid to hurt myself even more.
I am afraid about R andro cause it is an exogenous hormones, and that is how I shutted me already down using DHEA.
Should I run it?

 

[Goose12]

are those improvements still sticked?

Yeah the improvements I got from the snap back stuck. Some of the improvements while on r Andro stuck but not all of them.

I guess you are talking about sexual improvements right?
I still do not understand why R andro should give improvements...Can anyone explaine the reason it does help us?
I am wondering if trying a little cycle to test the product on me...
I remember in July I tried just half pill and I got bad sides but later it seemed to have snapped back with improvements....
I am so scared to try things out...afraid to hurt myself even more.
I am afraid about R andro cause it is an exogenous hormones, and that is how I shutted me already down using DHEA.
Should I run it?

The main improvement was it completely got rid my anxiety during the snap back. Three days after I ceases r Andro all of the sudden, in the middle of the day a calm washed over me. I thought it wouldn't last but has stayed and gotten better for two months now.

On the sexual sides I improved all around while on r Andro. It wasn't magic though, some improvements were slight. The improvements that stuck were better erections quality, a slight increase in ejaculation, and an increase in testicles. I dont know if the sexual benefits were completely from r Andro because it kind of felt like a snap back from the herbs.

I can't remember the exact mechanism of how r Andro helps but I remember gbolduev mentioned that it acts like T3. Which is a thyroid hormone and there is a snap back when you get off. Someone else can explain it better.

 

[wuf]

Yeah the improvements I got from the snap back stuck. Some of the improvements while on r Andro stuck but not all of them.

I guess you are talking about sexual improvements right?
I still do not understand why R andro should give improvements...Can anyone explaine the reason it does help us?
I am wondering if trying a little cycle to test the product on me...
I remember in July I tried just half pill and I got bad sides but later it seemed to have snapped back with improvements....
I am so scared to try things out...afraid to hurt myself even more.
I am afraid about R andro cause it is an exogenous hormones, and that is how I shutted me already down using DHEA.
Should I run it?

The main improvement was it completely got rid my anxiety during the snap back. Three days after I ceases r Andro all of the sudden, in the middle of the day a calm washed over me. I thought it wouldn't last but has stayed and gotten better for two months now.

On the sexual sides I improved all around while on r Andro. It wasn't magic though, some improvements were slight. The improvements that stuck were better erections quality, a slight increase in ejaculation, and an increase in testicles. I dont know if the sexual benefits were completely from r Andro because it kind of felt like a snap back from the herbs.

I can't remember the exact mechanism of how r Andro helps but I remember gbolduev mentioned that it acts like T3. Which is a thyroid hormone and there is a snap back when you get off. Someone else can explain it better.

Thank you for you explanation.
What do you think to go on a second R andro cycle, dont you think it could help you since you got improvements from the first on?
Cd and Maxout recovered 100% from 4 R andro cycles.. is it maybe your same case?
Did you feel it suppressed your own hormones production? Suppression should be minimal from what the product is, but it is interesting to know if you felt that or not.
Thank you man!

 

[Goose12]

Thank you for you explanation.
What do you think to go on a second R andro cycle, dont you think it could help you since you got improvements from the first on?
Cd and Maxout recovered 100% from 4 R andro cycles.. is it maybe your same case?
Did you feel it suppressed your own hormones production? Suppression should be minimal from what the product is, but it is interesting to know if you felt that or not.
Thank you man!

I am pretty positive it could help to run r Andro again but I think it was nice to give the herbs and r Andro a break. I wasn't planning on it but I noticed a snap back after ceasing the herbs similar to ru, but ru was better. I feel like I noticed more benifits from the herbs over r Andro. That's a testimony to how powerful these herbs are.

I had been making descent improvements with the protocol but in baby steps. I was honestly just being impatient and wanting to try ru. I am glad I ran ru and after running it I am kind of excited to run the protocol again and see if the herbs are more potent now. Even if ru cures me I plan on jumping on the protocol and going beyond Prefin. Which would be awesome because before this a whole in the wall would of turned me on lol! I try to look ahead to the good days to come.

I don't think I noticed any suppression with r Andro. At one time I thought I was because my testicles started to ache, but it wasn't the same pain as during my crash. The ache ended up being growing pains and my balls increased to almost normal size. So if anything I noticed the opposite. I attribute the growth to a snap back from the herbs while on r Andro.

 

[Goose12]

Thank you for you explanation.
What do you think to go on a second R andro cycle, dont you think it could help you since you got improvements from the first on?
Cd and Maxout recovered 100% from 4 R andro cycles.. is it maybe your same case?
Did you feel it suppressed your own hormones production? Suppression should be minimal from what the product is, but it is interesting to

I am pretty positive it could help to run r Andro again but I think it was nice to give the herbs and r Andro a break. I wasn't planning on it but I noticed a snap back after ceasing the herbs similar to ru, but ru was better. I feel like I noticed more benifits from the herbs over r Andro. That's a testimony to how powerful these herbs are.

I had been making descent improvements with the protocol but in baby steps. I was honestly just being impatient and wanting to try ru. I am glad I ran ru and after running it I am kind of excited to run the protocol again and see if the herbs are more potent now. Even if ru cures me I plan on jumping on the protocol and going beyond Prefin. Which would be awesome because before this a whole in the wall would of turned me on lol! I try to look ahead to the good days to come.

I don't think I noticed any suppression with r Andro. At one time I thought I was because my testicles started to ache, but it wasn't the same pain as during my crash. The ache ended up being growing pains and my balls increased to almost normal size. So if anything I noticed the opposite. I attribute my testicle growth to a snap back from the herbs while on r Andro.

 

[wuf]

Thank you for you explanation.
What do you think to go on a second R andro cycle, dont you think it could help you since you got improvements from the first on?
Cd and Maxout recovered 100% from 4 R andro cycles.. is it maybe your same case?
Did you feel it suppressed your own hormones production? Suppression should be minimal from what the product is, but it is interesting to know if you felt that or not.
Thank you man!

I am pretty positive it could help to run r Andro again but I think it was nice to give the herbs and r Andro a break. I wasn't planning on it but I noticed a snap back after ceasing the herbs similar to ru, but ru was better. I feel like I noticed more benifits from the herbs over r Andro. That's a testimony to how powerful these herbs are.

I had been making descent improvements with the protocol but in baby steps. I was honestly just being impatient and wanting to try ru. I am glad I ran ru and after running it I am kind of excited to run the protocol again and see if the herbs are more potent now. Even if ru cures me I plan on jumping on the protocol and going beyond Prefin. Which would be awesome because before this a whole in the wall would of turned me on lol! I try to look ahead to the good days to come.

I don't think I noticed any suppression with r Andro. At one time I thought I was because my testicles started to ache, but it wasn't the same pain as during my crash. The ache ended up being growing pains and my balls increased to almost normal size. So if anything I noticed the opposite. I attribute the growth to a snap back from the herbs while on r Andro.

Great man!.. Thank you.
Tomorrow morning I finally have my blood test, I will be testing over 30 tests... and then I could try R andro, but since I am so sensible to everything I use, even from an apple, I think I will firts try half a pill for few days and then wait to see what happens, if everything goes fine with this test I will then rise the dose.
Thank you for helping

 

[wuf]

Thank you for you explanation.
What do you think to go on a second R andro cycle, dont you think it could help you since you got improvements from the first on?
Cd and Maxout recovered 100% from 4 R andro cycles.. is it maybe your same case?
Did you feel it suppressed your own hormones production? Suppression should be minimal from what the product is, but it is interesting to know if you felt that or not.
Thank you man!

I am pretty positive it could help to run r Andro again but I think it was nice to give the herbs and r Andro a break. I wasn't planning on it but I noticed a snap back after ceasing the herbs similar to ru, but ru was better. I feel like I noticed more benifits from the herbs over r Andro. That's a testimony to how powerful these herbs are.

I had been making descent improvements with the protocol but in baby steps. I was honestly just being impatient and wanting to try ru. I am glad I ran ru and after running it I am kind of excited to run the protocol again and see if the herbs are more potent now. Even if ru cures me I plan on jumping on the protocol and going beyond Prefin. Which would be awesome because before this a whole in the wall would of turned me on lol! I try to look ahead to the good days to come.

I don't think I noticed any suppression with r Andro. At one time I thought I was because my testicles started to ache, but it wasn't the same pain as during my crash. The ache ended up being growing pains and my balls increased to almost normal size. So if anything I noticed the opposite. I attribute the growth to a snap back from the herbs while on r Andro.

Listen Goose, last thing.. you told me to have "hard" balls as I do.
Did/do you ever have had pain to your balls?
I often feel them soring..

 

[Goose12]

Listen Goose, last thing.. you told me to have "hard" balls as I do.
Did/do you ever have had pain to your balls?
I often feel them soring..

When I first crash my balls were very sore for weeks and slowly went away. When I crashed again from taking way to much licorice they were sore again and this time I started testicle painting with nascent iodine which helped a lot. My balls were always hard before ru, now they go back and forth from being rock hard to normal.

Every now and then I get a slight twinge in my testicle area but it's not the same kind of pain as a crash, and I wouldn't notice it if I wasn't paying attention. My testicles don't get sore anymore.

 

[Anonymous]

Interestingly, on propeciahelp.com they are aware of (these?) RU trials, and warn against it
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11778

The guy who made that thread is still decades behind and doesn't even realize what he is talking about, he is still on the "increase AR" trend, good luck to him, that strategy has almost been talked about for the last ten years..

shit milk thistle is 5ar? i've been using it as it's part of my artichoke extract fuck LOL.

 

[IHateFin]

Thank you for you explanation.
What do you think to go on a second R andro cycle, dont you think it could help you since you got improvements from the first on?
Cd and Maxout recovered 100% from 4 R andro cycles.. is it maybe your same case?
Did you feel it suppressed your own hormones production? Suppression should be minimal from what the product is, but it is interesting to know if you felt that or not.
Thank you man!

I am pretty positive it could help to run r Andro again but I think it was nice to give the herbs and r Andro a break. I wasn't planning on it but I noticed a snap back after ceasing the herbs similar to ru, but ru was better. I feel like I noticed more benifits from the herbs over r Andro. That's a testimony to how powerful these herbs are.

I had been making descent improvements with the protocol but in baby steps. I was honestly just being impatient and wanting to try ru. I am glad I ran ru and after running it I am kind of excited to run the protocol again and see if the herbs are more potent now. Even if ru cures me I plan on jumping on the protocol and going beyond Prefin. Which would be awesome because before this a whole in the wall would of turned me on lol! I try to look ahead to the good days to come.

I don't think I noticed any suppression with r Andro. At one time I thought I was because my testicles started to ache, but it wasn't the same pain as during my crash. The ache ended up being growing pains and my balls increased to almost normal size. So if anything I noticed the opposite. I attribute the growth to a snap back from the herbs while on r Andro.

keep in mind that improvements from ru will also make you respond better to androgens including androsterone/ Randro.

I noticed this for myself. I went too high and too long on my last ru dose so the increase in sensitivity to exogenous androgens is slight, but noticeable. might be worth a shot in the future if necessary. either way it can be something nice to keep in your back pocket.

 

[Goose12]

keep in mind that improvements from ru will also make you respond better to androgens including androsterone/ Randro.

I noticed this for myself. I went too high and too long on my last ru dose so the increase in sensitivity to exogenous androgens is slight, but noticeable. might be worth a shot in the future if necessary. either way it can be something nice to keep in your back pocket.

I have been cycling herbs for the last four days and they definitely seem stronger after ru. After taking tribulus I noticed a similar effect like I got from ru, I assume from lowering progesterone. I am waiting to see if I get a snap back.

 

[IHateFin]

keep in mind that improvements from ru will also make you respond better to androgens including androsterone/ Randro.

I noticed this for myself. I went too high and too long on my last ru dose so the increase in sensitivity to exogenous androgens is slight, but noticeable. might be worth a shot in the future if necessary. either way it can be something nice to keep in your back pocket.

I have been cycling herbs for the last four days and they definitely seem stronger after ru. After taking tribulus I noticed a similar effect like I got from ru, I assume from lowering progesterone. I am waiting to see if I get a snap back.

I've been taking trib too so I think I'll hop off n see what happens.