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jacknap

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He’s a piece of shit. Nothing to like about him. Are y’all for real?
If you have some reasonable points to make I'd like to hear them, I think I'm open minded. I haven't really heard anything too convincing so far for me.
 

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That's your way of saying "Area, good information and all but you are a little eccentric & flamboyant with all those big letters" LOL.
Bowie, Mick Jagger, Jim Morrison, Lil Wayne, Prince, Six 9ine etc. are flamboyant. Xerxes was historically too. Take your pick but they all were pretty boss.

I'm pretty flamboyant as well. I think it's the magician archetype. As a magician more open minded and less stifled which can lead to sometimes 'queer' thought streams that for our more stiff male counterparts would be of question but that's also the thought streams that lead to creativity. Probably also just comes to valueing expression > showing strength / esteem.

talking off the dome here lol
 

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If you have some reasonable points to make I'd like to hear them, I think I'm open minded. I haven't really heard anything too convincing so far for me.
Gonna try to point out the things he's done that are just objectively shit:

He's started trade wars that have already hurt us domestically, and most economists agree will only hurt us more in the long-term. Makes total sense if you consider that Trump's trade advisor, Peter Navarro, was found by Jared Kushner literally by searching Amazon for authors of global trade books that are tough on China... The guy wrote a book of fringe theory of global trade and is now Trump's #1 trade guy.

He ordered that children of illegal immigrants be separated from their parents and put in detention camps without a plan to track and reunite them, and to this day hundreds of kids remain separated from their parents - in some cases the government has no idea how to even locate the children's parents that they took them from. Regardless of how you feel about the immigration issue in the U.S., this is fucked up.

He has on multiple occasions referred to Vladimir Putin in allied terms, despite the fact that it's been proven many times over that Russia meddled in the 2016 election (which Trump still occasionally publicly disputes, only to backtrack when scolded by his party and administration).

These are just the things I can think of off the top of my head... If you just listen to the guy talk, it should be clear that he's totally incompetent, and those who have worked closely with him have said as much.
 

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Gonna try to point out the things he's done that are just objectively shit:

He's started trade wars that have already hurt us domestically, and most economists agree will only hurt us more in the long-term. Makes total sense if you consider that Trump's trade advisor, Peter Navarro, was found by Jared Kushner literally by searching Amazon for authors of global trade books that are tough on China... The guy wrote a book of fringe theory of global trade and is now Trump's #1 trade guy.

He ordered that children of illegal immigrants be separated from their parents and put in detention camps without a plan to track and reunite them, and to this day hundreds of kids remain separated from their parents - in some cases the government has no idea how to even locate the children's parents that they took them from. Regardless of how you feel about the immigration issue in the U.S., this is fucked up.

He has on multiple occasions referred to Vladimir Putin in allied terms, despite the fact that it's been proven may times over that Russia meddled in the 2016 election (which Trump still occasionally publicly disputes, only to backtrack when scolded by his party and administration).

These are just the things I can think of off the top of my head... If you just listen to the guy talk, it should be clear that he has no idea what he's totally incompetent, and those who have worked closely with him have said as much.


Niles. c'mon man, Trump is a bancrupt actor. He has no say. The whole theater is played by DOW 30 owners. So for those it was the time to implement all these steps that you are talking about.

Be it Hillary or any other president, the steps would be the same.

there were no elections man. you guys should stop this nonsene about Russia. Russia become the US in 1998. when it defaulted, There is no free Russia for 20 years already. Putin is dead in 2006.

It is all big huge lies . You dont have democracy in the US, you are getting ripped off. They suck juice out of all people everywhere.

All the presidents and their owners just milk people.



It is all a big circus. And IMO it all comes to fact WHO you want to see on TV, Hillary or Trump.

Honestly I would rather watch Trump than Hillary on TV.


It is weird that people constantly blame stupid presidents. Blame their masters.
 

jacknap

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Gonna try to point out the things he's done that are just objectively shit:

He's started trade wars that have already hurt us domestically, and most economists agree will only hurt us more in the long-term. Makes total sense if you consider that Trump's trade advisor, Peter Navarro, was found by Jared Kushner literally by searching Amazon for authors of global trade books that are tough on China... The guy wrote a book of fringe theory of global trade and is now Trump's #1 trade guy.

He ordered that children of illegal immigrants be separated from their parents and put in detention camps without a plan to track and reunite them, and to this day hundreds of kids remain separated from their parents - in some cases the government has no idea how to even locate the children's parents that they took them from. Regardless of how you feel about the immigration issue in the U.S., this is fucked up.

He has on multiple occasions referred to Vladimir Putin in allied terms, despite the fact that it's been proven many times over that Russia meddled in the 2016 election (which Trump still occasionally publicly disputes, only to backtrack when scolded by his party and administration).

These are just the things I can think of off the top of my head... If you just listen to the guy talk, it should be clear that he's totally incompetent, and those who have worked closely with him have said as much.

Hasn't the GDP gone up 4x since he has been prez and the debt been slashed considerably though? Seems good economics to me.

It's fucked up but how does that actual effect US citizens? Yeah it's shitty and I wouldn't want that to happen to me but if people are doing illegal activities and don't have any ramifications how will it stop?

So you'd rather be enemies with Russia? A country of 120 million strong? Russia is looking out for their own interests naturally. If the elections were meddled with it's the US's responsibility to secure it further.

I knew of those issues vaguely but that's my response to it. Still like Trump overall.
 

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Niles. c'mon man, Trump is a bancrupt actor. He has no say. The whole theater is played by DOW 30 owners. So for those it was the time to implement all these steps that you are talking about.

Be it Hillary or any other president, the steps would be the same.

there were no elections man. you guys should stop this nonsene about Russia. Russia become the US in 1998. when it defaulted, There is no free Russia for 20 years already. Putin is dead in 2006.

It is all big huge lies . You dont have democracy in the US, you are getting ripped off. They suck juice out of all people everywhere.

All the presidents and their owners just milk people.



It is all a big circus. And IMO it all comes to fact WHO you want to see on TV, Hillary or Trump.

Honestly I would rather watch Trump than Hillary on TV.


It is weird that people constantly blame stupid presidents. Blame their masters.
Idk man, this level of conspiracy theory sounds impossible to me. I mean, it's common knowledge that most of our politicians are the pocket of DOW 30 owners to some degree, but there's no way in hell Hillary would be enacting the policies that Trump is - I'm not gonna begin to speculate whether hers would be better or worse, but they would certainly be different. Democrats and Republicans are complete polar opposites right now, and DOW 30 owners mostly only lobby for economic/tax policy.
 

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Don't like Trump at all but honestly think a typical Republican president would be much worse than him, he took the USA out of the TPP, that's going to protect the American working class when it comes to wages. If a Democrat did that they'd be branded a Communist by the right wing media. Sanders had exiting TPP as part of his manifesto.

America was built on a degree of protectionism, yet both Republicans and Democrats in recent times have been pushing hard right free trade polices, great if you're running a multinational corporation, but not if you're a lowly worker. America should be allowed to protect it's industry, and more importantly they should allow developing economies to do the same.

Trumps done a lot more harm than good no doubt, but I think the theatre around him is way too much. There is no reason to focus on every dodgy thing he says now, the people who think he's a shitty person already hate him, and the people who don't aren't going to change their minds.
 

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Idk man, this level of conspiracy theory sounds impossible to me. I mean, it's common knowledge that most of our politicians are the pocket of DOW 30 owners to some degree, but there's no way in hell Hillary would be enacting the policies that Trump is - I'm not gonna begin to speculate whether hers would be better or worse, but they would certainly be different. Democrats and Republicans are complete polar opposites right now, and DOW 30 owners mostly only lobby for economic/tax policy.


yes, but they change the side republic or democratic depending on what is needed in current economy.

it is all about stealing money and then laundering it)) democrats steal the money , reps laundry it.

At this time you would simply not have a democratic president selected. Trust me they are all the same.

In russia this theatre s also the same. all these fake parties, and fake oppositions LOL

Dow 30 control everything. they are the money and the owners of your country and you are the sheep that they milk.

funny but in russia they milk us with 13% tax and they milk you with 50%/ So you guys are getting it harder than us LOL
 

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TL;DR: -->#FAKE NEWS.


If the elections were meddled with it's the US's responsibility to secure it further..
EXACTLY -- If a stable, rich, large, open economy fucks up THEIR own elections... that's on THEM.

-What about 'The Butterfly Ballot and Florida' and Bush was that also russia's fault. BUT news whichever party bought whichever source... is such bs.
LIKE Obama care vs Romney care vs what republicans want (pretty sure Romney was a Republican). --> same thing basically but people hate on Obama for it.
-ALso 2 parties cater to extremes (obv there's more than 2 but the 2 that seem to count for since... forever i guess?)


-People scapegoat Russia way too much. And did way before election... just like a invisible enemy they talk about on the news (less invisible now). --> people will scapegoat whatever hides facts, or keeps responsibility from those that actually caused issues, "hidden". ---> News makes me so mad, can barely even think when it's on really loud.
-It wasn't the COld War for many yrs but they're still scared. And 200mn ignorant Americans or anyone... is easy to manipulate and Lie to. Esp when you tell the lies over and over for 100 yrs.
-Also yeah Fiscal gains and Economic Policy doesn't always trickle down to general society. But it does to some*. Screws over a lot.
--Monetary Policy is a whole 'nother thing. And definitely they should be completely seperated (Reserve bank and Fiscal Authority). ***in reality tho***?
_Dead Weight Loss and Arbitrary Redistribution of Wealth (taxes, subsidies, trade laws, social welfare, rules, laws, all that shyt does that).
-Anyways: Also yeah--- lobbyists mostly actually only operate for financial gain and for their group and political influence. They're the worst.
 

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Hasn't the GDP gone up 4x since he has been prez and the debt been slashed considerably though? Seems good economics to me.

It's fucked up but how does that actual effect US citizens? Yeah it's shitty and I wouldn't want that to happen to me but if people are doing illegal activities and don't have any ramifications how will it stop?

So you'd rather be enemies with Russia? A country of 120 million strong? Russia is looking out for their own interests naturally. If the elections were meddled with it's the US's responsibility to secure it further.

I knew of those issues vaguely but that's my response to it. Still like Trump overall.

None of Trumps polices could have affected GDP in any meaningful way yet, the economy was growing for most of the 8 years Obama was in power, and the momentum has continued on. Trump slashed taxes disproportionately for the rich, and then increased spending with the Omnibus bill, so debt will be increasing now.

Trump may be soothing relationships with Russia superficially (they are still geo-political rivals policy wise) , but he's creating a lot more tension with China, a country of 1 billion strong, lol.

He's also getting rid of a lot of regulations that were put in place to protect the environment, took the US out of the Paris climate accord. Soon this forum will be irrelevant because we'll all be breathing in toxic shit that will prevent our rebalancing taking place lol
 

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--Just fly to a clean city once in a while and Water Fast (seriously). Easier said than done, but I mean on Vacations, after School and or Work. --OR FAST and only use clean water, but leaving a huge city does help (even tho I hate it at times...) I do like big cities... but hate those at times too. So IDK.
---And also True That on growing economy for yrs before Trump came in. Looks good, but... it wasn't all him (and never is... any one guy). He's a great talker and most people are Donkeys. I did like him for hilariousness alone, but the truth came out (sort of). ---Basically I don't like any of them... politicians. Some maybe, but they were gone before I was born.
-Actually * A decent talker. He talks a lot of shyt all the time...
 
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Hasn't the GDP gone up 4x since he has been prez and the debt been slashed considerably though? Seems good economics to me.

It's fucked up but how does that actual effect US citizens? Yeah it's shitty and I wouldn't want that to happen to me but if people are doing illegal activities and don't have any ramifications how will it stop?

So you'd rather be enemies with Russia? A country of 120 million strong? Russia is looking out for their own interests naturally. If the elections were meddled with it's the US's responsibility to secure it further.

I knew of those issues vaguely but that's my response to it. Still like Trump overall.
The only thing Trump has contributed to GDP growth is corporate tax breaks that have increased investment, and that's all. This is a short-term gain, as trickle down economics always has been. In terms of trade, Trump is fucking up.

It effects US citizens because many of these folks have family that are citizens, it's lowering our standard for human rights, and it's showing the rest of the world that human rights in the US are regressing. Of course there should be ramifications for illegal immigration - they could have put the parents in the same detention camps that they put the kids in, easily. The only reason not to would be to show any incoming immigrants that, "if you try to come here, we'll straight up steal your kids!"

I'd prefer that we all be friends lol, but Russia is threatening democracy all over the world, not just with our elections but with their military and intelligence actions all over. Russia will be our friend if we keep letting them get away with their shit, but why would we? They're killing folks with nerve agent in the U.K. - no way they're going to be our friends any time soon.
 

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love a good hackstatis politics discussion
 

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The only thing Trump has contributed to GDP growth is corporate tax breaks that have increased investment, and that's all. This is a short-term gain, as trickle down economics always has been. In terms of trade, Trump is fucking up.

It effects US citizens because many of these folks have family that are citizens, it's lowering our standard for human rights, and it's showing the rest of the world that human rights in the US are regressing. Of course there should be ramifications for illegal immigration - they could have put the parents in the same detention camps that they put the kids in, easily. The only reason not to would be to show any incoming immigrants that, "if you try to come here, we'll straight up steal your kids!"

I'd prefer that we all be friends lol, but Russia is threatening democracy all over the world, not just with our elections but with their military and intelligence actions all over. Russia will be our friend if we keep letting them get away with their shit, but why would we? They're killing folks with nerve agent in the U.K. - no way they're going to be our friends any time soon.


Threatening democracy?

you mean russia killed kadaffi, russia started syria , russia started ukraine. You guys are so out of it.

Pay your national debt out and file for BK. After that you can talk about democracy.

As of now US is stealing money from all other countries and especially Europeans and Russians, since those countries have the profitable balance sheet still and you keep printing your worthless dollars, and when people want to stop using it like kadafi did, you just kill him


this is why you have to use forces and Nato to protect your worthless dollar. Is that democracy

And then US television blames russians on what your oligarch do?

Like they bomb twin towers themselves , and blamed some Osama bin laden

now they elected Trump who is going to rip you off all and then they will blame russia for that.

this is ridiculous.
 
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US and many countries like UK, Canada, etc steal TONS from other countries in terms of "International Trade" and Rapid Liberalization.
-All that Coltan in phones -- is from mines, much like Blood Diamonds.
-G8 fucks up all for all. Obv I live in and only have lived in G8 so I'm not saying : "Death to the West". I just think there's a lot of bs out there.
-Also I think there's no true democracy it's a theroetical construct (now at least). ANd* that there's no true Pure Competitive Env outside of INtl Mkt For Bonds and Forex.
-I could be wrong tho.
 

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Threatening democracy/

you mean russia killed kadaffi, russia started syria , russia started ukraine. You guys are so out of it.

Pay your national debt out and file for BK. After that you can talk about democracy.

As of now US is stealing money from all other countries and especially Europeans and Russians, since those countries have the profitable balance sheet still


this is why you have to use forces and Nato to protect your worthless dollar. Is that democracy?
I would never claim that the US has a perfect democracy, not nearly, and you're right that we still do lots of terrible shit all over as well. I was just saying that Russia has acted against US interest and has made threats to the (imperfect) status quo of our democracy and democracy at large, which disqualifies them from being a possible ally.
 

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-No one anywhere is an Ally outside of personal gain (besides individuals... and even tons of them are shady). ---But yeah indvs can have friends and help those that aren't friends -- even. --Countries? mostly not. Sometimes tho. --ALso every country fucks over some of it's citizens.
-Not a Nazi, Not a Communist, Not a Fascist. Just a guy. - anti [gov't + society + humanity.] ANd Yet* A Human Capitalist. --Post Humanist and Gender also.
-Pro Abortion though!!! : )
-Leaders all cut from same cloth (I mean political leaders)... all a bunch of fucking douchebags... here to india to pakistan to africa to america to... wherever.
 
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I would never claim that the US has a perfect democracy, not nearly, and you're right that we still do lots of terrible shit all over as well. I was just saying that Russia has acted against US interest and has made threats to the (imperfect) status quo of our democracy and democracy at large, which disqualifies them from being a possible ally.


you still dont get that the fight and war is not between russia or usa, or china or india.

the fight is inside of your country.

they are ripping you off same as they are ripping off russians

Why would russia act in US interest. when your country is stealing our money and the money from our children

Why Germany has to act in your interest either, since you are ruining their economy also by printing your worthless dollars.

who wants to be an ally of US government action. you? I guess , if you want to keep borrowing and living at the expense of german kids LOL


Our world got beyond stupid countries now. there is no allies , and these fucking douchebags politicians still try to use nationalities in a sense of groups and allies.

This should be gone by now. All people are world people now.

But in my opinion US people should not even talk about democracy , you simply dont have it.

I lived in the US, it is a jail and not democracy. Go live in europe you feel like a free person, or russia you also feel free,

but in the us , it is a police state. how can it be a democracy, you cant even call it that.


It is a huge Truman show there.

And sorry guys, but you dont even notice it , since you were born there, you are adjusted to the system.
 
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The only thing Trump has contributed to GDP growth is corporate tax breaks that have increased investment, and that's all. This is a short-term gain, as trickle down economics always has been. In terms of trade, Trump is fucking up.

It effects US citizens because many of these folks have family that are citizens, it's lowering our standard for human rights, and it's showing the rest of the world that human rights in the US are regressing. Of course there should be ramifications for illegal immigration - they could have put the parents in the same detention camps that they put the kids in, easily. The only reason not to would be to show any incoming immigrants that, "if you try to come here, we'll straight up steal your kids!"

I'd prefer that we all be friends lol, but Russia is threatening democracy all over the world, not just with our elections but with their military and intelligence actions all over. Russia will be our friend if we keep letting them get away with their shit, but why would we? They're killing folks with nerve agent in the U.K. - no way they're going to be our friends any time soon.

But what specifically is he fucking up on? He just settled a trade agreement with Mexico and Canada this week, cutting the trade deficit by millions especially the US dairy industry when prior to that all the liberals were crying that we were basically at war with Mexico and Canada lol. He is just a tough negotiator that is all, no foreign country is just going to give in on trade so trump just pushes the boundaries until they do i.e. tariffs etc. EU and China are next but his methods are working so far which you just saw this week with the USCMA. Even if you say his improvements are small or neutral, he definitely isn't "hurting" us. I mean just look at the stats from unemployment to the stock market.

The separation of family at the borders was already in place prior to Trump. This has been going on throughout previous administration in the past and no one cared. All Trump did was enforce it more, which if you knew about the campaign he ran on, immigration was a key component. So to blame that on Trump only does not make sense. To be honest, why would you bring your kids to another country illegally and expect to walk right in freely, seems more on the parents to me.

The thing I don't get about the Russia issue is that no matter what he does liberals are never happy. OK, so he tries to be friends with Russia and not escalate things even more, liberals say he isn't doing anything or not enough. Then if he gets real tough with Putin, then they cry "omg he going to start world war 3". So no matter what he does they will never be happy in this situation. You saw this exact situation with North Korea when Trump was threatening Kim big time and then liberals were all saying he was going to start WW3, then he meets with Kim to defuse the situation and liberals are mad that he met with Kim LOL.
 
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