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Yea I think so too. It is interesting though. I read a lot of people getting great benefits from zero carb and ketogenic diet. Especially things like joint pain and auto immune diseases.

I did this diet before and it cleared up my psoriasis within a month. And I did not eat processed foods. Only cut out the carbohydrates and vegetables.`

But then I also read people who did zero carb lowering their metabolism/testosterone.
Yeah, maybe the pro-GABA effects of a ketogenic diet might be protective for a number diseases until the cumulative metabolic stress catches up to the person. I seriously doubt that it's possible to maintain long term high testosterone without any hormonal or herbal supplements while eating a low/no carb diet.
 

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Yeah, maybe the pro-GABA effects of a ketogenic diet might be protective for a number diseases until the cumulative metabolic stress catches up to the person. I seriously doubt that it's possible to maintain long term high testosterone without any hormonal or herbal supplements while eating a low/no carb diet.

I think the argument zero carbers give is that your receptors become more sensitive to testosterone and thus your body needs to make less testosterone to have the same effect. Just like insulin.

Meat contains carnosine for example which increases androgen sensitivity.

But I do know that guys on zero carb diet get high prolactin and stuff like that. High cortisol. High stress hormones. And lower T.

Still I see some guys thriving on this like Saifedean Ammous:


Has been doing it for 2 years and says he never felt better.
 

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I think the argument zero carbers give is that your receptors become more sensitive to testosterone and thus your body needs to make less testosterone to have the same effect. Just like insulin.

Meat contains carnosine for example which increases androgen sensitivity.

But I do know that guys on zero carb diet get high prolactin and stuff like that. High cortisol. High stress hormones. And lower T.

Still I see some guys thriving on this like Saifedean Ammous:


Has been doing it for 2 years and says he never felt better.
I think that's a convoluted argument, and it's interesting that they're actually conceding that they end up with low serum androgens as a result of the diet.
I think that people should do what feels best for them, but there is so much misunderstanding when in comes to the biochemistry, and I think people don't know how to make heads or tails of it in alternative health circles.
 

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I'm experimenting with a low carb diet for some months now, I also never felt that good, no need to take naps, waking up refreshed, no brain fog, more motivated, no inflamed feeling . It's right that it's amazing for immune related diseases/symptoms.

I'm still unsure if it's good to do this long term as well, same concerns as yours; so once every 7-10 days I'll eat stewed apples ( a big portion ) with cinnamon ( which will improve the insulin response from the fructose ) , sometimes I experiment with fruits 3 days in a raw and gauge how I feel, etc. To find the perfect balance while waiting for restoring all of this
Fructose is the best sources of carbs I find for now, grains make me feel tired almost instantly . And I know all of this is a dysregulation caused by PAS/PFS .

Interestingly enough, while on R andro last month, I could tolerate sugar much better.
 

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I'm experimenting with a low carb diet for some months now, I also never felt that good, no need to take naps, waking up refreshed, no brain fog, more motivated, no inflamed feeling . It's right that it's amazing for immune related diseases/symptoms.

I'm still unsure if it's good to do this long term as well, same concerns as yours; so once every 7-10 days I'll eat stewed apples ( a big portion ) with cinnamon ( which will improve the insulin response from the fructose ) , sometimes I experiment with fruits 3 days in a raw and gauge how I feel, etc. To find the perfect balance while waiting for restoring all of this
Fructose is the best sources of carbs I find for now, grains make me feel tired almost instantly . And I know all of this is a dysregulation caused by PAS/PFS .

Interestingly enough, while on R andro last month, I could tolerate sugar much better.

Interesting. I think Fructose has less insulin response maybe that is why you feel better with fructose. You can try basmati rice. I felt pretty good eating that. It is a white rice.

I feel good but on training days I notice hard hit in my libido. I do not think it is optimal for me. But it is a test ride.
 
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Just something I was thinking about.

I think technology is good and exciting. So is nature.

A lot of people want to go back to nature. But what happens when you are back to nature? You try to separate yourself from nature again. This is a deep need that humans have. This is why we build walls around us. To protect us from nature.

When you are sick, you go to nature. You go back to the basics. When you are healthy you can thrive in technology and ascend the human race. Which is exciting. It is something to live for.

For me I would never be able to live in nature. I am born in a concrete hospital, surrounded by TV, videogames and carbohydrates. I thrive in this environment.

I have thought long and hard about it.

I have tried to go back to nature. To live "naturally". But the game is still being played around me. And I never feel right. No matter how much I want to go back to nature it is impossible to commit to it 100%.


This is why I went to Cyprus from Moscow . If I stayed in Moscow, I 'd be dead by now
 

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I am going to add some carbohydrate back in the diet. I do not feel optimal on low carbohydrate diet. Especially with recovery from training. So that's that. Also my libido tanked once I started low carbohydrate diet.

Tried some raw kefir today. It is from natural cows. No anti-biotics or hormones. Grassfed. Pretty good tasting. It is just fermented milk I think.
 

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This is why I went to Cyprus from Moscow . If I stayed in Moscow, I 'd be dead by now

Heavily considering moving out of Boston and about an hour north on the coast. Been making beach major priority all summer. Just got out of the water.

The air just smells bad when you’re healing in city environment. Maybe it smells bad when you’re not healing too, but I never noticed it till I really started recovering I guess.

New Orleans too when I was on vacation damn it’s not good. NYC too. I’ve had my best times this past year on ski mountains, rural beach towns.
 

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Heavily considering moving out of Boston and about an hour north on the coast. Been making beach major priority all summer. Just got out of the water.

The air just smells bad when you’re healing in city environment. Maybe it smells bad when you’re not healing too, but I never noticed it till I really started recovering I guess.

New Orleans too when I was on vacation damn it’s not good. NYC too. I’ve had my best times this past years on ski mountains, rural beach towns.

It is great plan to move out of the city. Cities are unhealthy in my opinion. I live in a city but I live in The Netherlands. I can drive 1 hour to coast and swim.

Still I would like to live closer to the sea.
 

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Heavily considering moving out of Boston and about an hour north on the coast. Been making beach major priority all summer. Just got out of the water.

The air just smells bad when you’re healing in city environment. Maybe it smells bad when you’re not healing too, but I never noticed it till I really started recovering I guess.

New Orleans too when I was on vacation damn it’s not good. NYC too. I’ve had my best times this past year on ski mountains, rural beach towns.


can always move to Cape Cod or Martha Vineyard and sit there on the beach.
 

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It is great plan to move out of the city. Cities are unhealthy in my opinion. I live in a city but I live in The Netherlands. I can drive 1 hour to coast and swim.

Still I would like to live closer to the sea.

is Netherlands almost one giant urban area now? Getting quite bad in UK too
 

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AS a canadian, can I fly to UK and get said tests. Might have to go there, rather not rite now.... don't wanna, have to do other things.
Parasitology, some other stuff... there's a list I wrote down.

Can I just pay some clinic there and get it done?

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@Helen. By that logic.... TORONTO--> NY bad idea? If there's a good job/school/opportunity, better than collecting dust in the praries isn't it?
I'll detox later as a retired man. It's not Busan or Delhi (HORRIBLE pollution).
NY's clean now anyways isn't it?

Also Calgary (one of the cleanest cities in the world, 1.3mn popn, 80-100mins to lakes and mountains) is better than downtown Toronto healing/health wise
(4.5mn popn of GTA mostly consisting of public employees, academics, cocaine, rats, prostitutes, SJW's, and "Toy Dogs" everywhere)? Pretty sure. Hmm,... may have lucked out a bit.

Only cowboys and oil-folks here.
 
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Pretty much. It sucks, I want to move somewhere where you can still get lost in a forest or something.

Thats why I love the US even if I hate their cities and that middle class suburban culture, real nature just doesn't exist in Europe anymore except maybe Scandinavia now, apart from farmland or natural parks where you bump into someone every 5 minutes. But in the US there are still vast expanses of untouched land.

Probably underselling Europe a bit, its still got a lot of beauty, but you always know you aren't more than 15 minutes away from another person wherever you are, there isn't that same sense of adventure
 

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European architecture >>> Ted Roger's statue and Potatoe-esque "post modern design" world of Canada. Mountaineous regions and lakes are nice though... water. Hailing and raining a lot rite now. Thunder and lightning. Maybe some funnel clouds, then plus 20... down from 38... then down to minus 10 minus 20 and minus 40, with windchill (don't even worry about temp, just assume death is imminent). It's a dream.

Raven, lots of wet damp trees and leaves last time I was in London. That's nature, rite? Rain and cigarette smell. Virginia Water.................
I guess downtown not so much.

Driving to uncle's old house and other's uncle's places in NJ and CT was scary, like a race track in a rally. Random hidden valleys.
I used to joke, you could hear my uncle foraging for berries out there alone in the woods, like a bear, we called him "Chubby" (that's his CDN nickname).

I like GREY skies and light rain... wind blowing thru my hair...

Never cancelled school as a kid, now they do in minus 25(crybabies)... only did in like minus 50 when I was a kid, walking uphill both ways to school.
And the nuns used to beat us with salmon. Sometimes they used a curling rod.
Ah, but the heat of the curling rod, made the salmon taste so amazing. On "Holy Days", it was a side of roast beef. I remember one All Hallow's Eve.

Sometimes if our nails were dirty after "recess" (more accurately known as, fieldwork), they'd hose us down. If we hesitated, they'd beat us with the hose.
It was a different time then. Boys were not allowed to wear shirts that exposed their nipples. Everyday, before school you had to tape up your nips, so you did
not get in trouble changing for phys-ed. "AN exposed nip, gets the whip", was a favorite nursery rhyme amongst the youth.

Girls were to be addressed as "Mizz", and had to all have the same haircut and hair color. If you were left handed??
You didn't want to be left-handed back then. Children were to be seen and not heard.

Every teacher's name was Miss. Davenport. She had a troubled past. She was very hot. She passed on the cycle of violence she grew up with, back on to her students in the form of psychological and physical abuse. As I got older, I realized it was wrong what she was doing. But she never aged. She's still very hot, and her abusive ways made her all the hotter. Sometimes I drive by there, and think about what could have been. Alas, it was not meant to be. The school had been shutdown.
All records and traces of it had vanished. Miss Davenport died later that year, of syphilis.

Afterward:
Whenever I experience burning in urination, I think of her. I yearned for her.
 
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Thats why I love the US even if I hate their cities and that middle class suburban culture, real nature just doesn't exist in Europe anymore except maybe Scandinavia now, apart from farmland or natural parks where you bump into someone every 5 minutes. But in the US there are still vast expanses of untouched land.

Probably underselling Europe a bit, its still got a lot of beauty, but you always know you aren't more than 15 minutes away from another person wherever you are, there isn't that same sense of adventure

Couldn't have said it better myself. There are just too many people here, always and everywhere. I wish it wasn't basically impossible to move to the US unless you marry someone or get like a super prestigious job. Oh well gotta fix PSSD first before I can even think about stuff like that anyways.

Sweden and Norway are both pretty awesome too. Haven't been to the rest of Scandinavia.
 

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European architecture >>> Ted Roger's statue and Potatoe-esque "post modern design" world of Canada. Mountaineous regions and lakes are nice though... water. Hailing and raining a lot rite now. Thunder and lightning. Maybe some funnel clouds, then plus 20... down from 38... then down to minus 10 minus 20 and minus 40, with windchill (don't even worry about temp, just assume death). It's a dream.

Raven, lots of wet damp trees and leaves last time I was in London. That's nature, rite? Rain and cigarette smell. Virginia Water.................
I guess downtown not so much..

Yeah, I'm glad I live in London rather than any other city, ton of parks, great museums, nice architecture, walkable, but even with all that said there are so many people and I just don't think the benefits of living in a city outweigh the cons
 

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European architecture >>> Ted Roger's statue and Potatoe-esque "post modern design" world of Canada. Mountaineous regions and lakes are nice though... water. Hailing and raining a lot rite now. Thunder and lightning. Maybe some funnel clouds, then plus 20... down from 38... then down to minus 10 minus 20 and minus 40, with windchill (don't even worry about temp, just assume death). It's a dream.

Raven, lots of wet damp trees and leaves last time I was in London. That's nature, rite? Rain and cigarette smell. Virginia Water.................
I guess downtown not so much.

Driving to uncle's old house and other's uncle's places in NJ and CT was scary, like a race track in a rally. Random hidden valleys.
I used to joke, you could hear my uncle foraging for berries out there alone in the woods, we call him "Chubby" (that's his CDN nickname).

I like GREY skies and light rain... wind blowing thru my hair...

Never cancelled school as a kid, now they do in minus 30... only did in like minus 50 when I was a kid, walking uphill both ways to school.
And the nuns used to beat us with salmon. Ah, the salmon was amazing.

Sometimes if our nails were dirty after "recess" (more accurately known as, fieldwork), they'd hose us down. If we hesitated, they'd beat us with the hose.
It was a different time then. Boys were not allowed to wear shirts that exposed their nipples. Everyday, before school you had to tape up your nips, so you did
not get in trouble changing for phys-ed. "AN exposed nip, gets the whip", was a favorite nursery rhyme amongst the youth.
Girls were to be addressed as "Mizz", and had to all have the same haircut and hair color. If you were left handed??
You don't want to be left-handed back then. Children were to be seen and not heard.

I never realised how much all of your comments read like poetry lol
 

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Only job I ever showed up for on time, was street-kid.
I mean street-poet.
 
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