Seeming "Permanently High"?

[MNK99]

Just wondering if anyone ever became or acted "perpetually high" after SSRI's or SNRI's.
TL;DR --> anyone else seem permanently high after SSRI's/SNRI's. Or after beating PSSD?
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In high school I was straight-edge, barely even drank. I had friends that smoked a lot of marijuana, and I remember thinking one of them was "perma fried".
As in always seeming high/stupid even without smoking.

I am not talking about that kind of high -- I'm talking about the kind of apparent high that someone who uses a lot of cocaine or speed would have.
It's quite possible I was always like that (probable even), just worsened in my 20's. Also the people asking "are you high?" are like me and are sometimes high.
-or they're not joking and they're just squares and judgemental. I'm not worried about it, I just wonder if I was always like that or not.

Also, does anyone know why idiot family doctors and even psychiatrists try and give people Effexor as a first line treatment for ADHD? (Not mine, but plenty of doctors I've seen that don't know what they're talking about). G.P.'s are the worst -- they have absolutely no business prescribing or even discussing psychiatry, neurology, or endocrinology.

I don't know a single person that has ADHD and ever got better on SSRI's/SNRI's, let alone Effexor. Obviously I would never go back to Effexor (I have experienced way better things prescribed and otherwise). I'm just wondering. Certainly none of that is good for hyperactive ADD. Maybe inattentive people have better results with those kind of meds. Mostly they're just playing russian roulette and looking at checklists. If I could pay money to skip ahead and only ever see specialists (which is kind of what I did throughout my mid 20's), I would.

Also before anyone says its cuz of drug use -- I'm totally functional (or was) on the stronger stimulants, actually acted more normal than when I was on nothing. Closer to functional and normal than ever. Real drugs are targeted selectively on the right target... not sledgehammers that alter functioning without discrimination.

As far as I'm concerned finasteride and effexor are worse than real drugs (the ones that work and serve a purpose, not the ones created by pharma-douches and mktg). Also marijuana's pretty bad too for me, while on effexor, afterwards, and most times after PFS. Even with a clean bill of health - mj has ruined many nights for me (not using now). I hate it.

The only people who ever commented on it in a bad judgemental way were jerks anyways and I realized later they use drugs anyways... I had legit reasons too, they were just self-righteous douchebags, with money to burn.
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-Also my dual diagnosis is a pretty obvious answer for why I seem like that. But they also don't know jack about that. Some do... but they ignore the major damage in treating both, and act like they save so many lives. Also they can't prove much.
-Perhaps people who only associate energy with being high and haven't lived like I have... they just assume it. Most people are dumb anyways so it doesn't bother me.
-Anyone else seem this way after antidepressants.
- @Ghost says they can definitely worsen ADD. So that may be part of it as well.

 

[Canari]

Feeling high is a sign that is happening a protective state of dissociation in the ANS. The body does this when something is too strong, difficult or even intense. The level of the trigger that creates this effect automatically and apart from our decison, is individual. This state is not meant to stay long term though, because it taxes the energy of the body. The problem with drugs, and more for some people than others as we all know here, is that they disregulate the ANS, who then sends adaptative messages to the body.

The younger we have experienced some parasympathetic "anestesia" response, and the less present were adults to support the natural regulation of the ANS, the more we are at risk to dissociate further on. This usually go un-noticed until a big trigger destabilizes us. We can also be very strong in some aspects, and much weaker for other things, sometimes very specific.

 

[Namelk]

Just wondering if anyone ever became or acted "perpetually high" after SSRI's or SNRI's.
TL;DR --> anyone else seem permanently high after SSRI's/SNRI's. Or after beating PSSD?
---------
In high school I was straight-edge, barely even drank. I had friends that smoked a lot of marijuana, and I remember thinking one of them was "perma fried".
As in always seeming high/stupid even without smoking.

I am not talking about that kind of high -- I'm talking about the kind of apparent high that someone who uses a lot of cocaine or speed would have.
It's quite possible I was always like that (probable even), just worsened in my 20's. Also the people asking "are you high?" are like me and are sometimes high.
-or they're not joking and they're just squares and judgemental. I'm not worried about it, I just wonder if I was always like that or not.

Also, does anyone know why idiot family doctors and even psychiatrists try and give people Effexor as a first line treatment for ADHD? (Not mine, but plenty of doctors I've seen that don't know what they're talking about). G.P.'s are the worst -- they have absolutely no business prescribing or even discussing psychiatry, neurology, or endocrinology.

I don't know a single person that has ADHD and ever got better on SSRI's/SNRI's, let alone Effexor. Obviously I would never go back to Effexor (I have experienced way better things prescribed and otherwise). I'm just wondering. Certainly none of that is good for hyperactive ADD. Maybe inattentive people have better results with those kind of meds. Mostly they're just playing russian roulette and looking at checklists. If I could pay money to skip ahead and only ever see specialists (which is kind of what I did throughout my mid 20's), I would.

Also before anyone says its cuz of drug use -- I'm totally functional (or was) on the stronger stimulants, actually acted more normal than when I was on nothing. Closer to functional and normal than ever. Real drugs are targeted selectively on the right target... not sledgehammers that alter functioning without discrimination.

As far as I'm concerned finasteride and effexor are worse than real drugs (the ones that work and serve a purpose, not the ones created by pharma-douches and mktg). Also marijuana's pretty bad too for me, while on effexor, afterwards, and most times after PFS. Even with a clean bill of health - mj has ruined many nights for me (not using now). I hate it.

The only people who ever commented on it in a bad judgemental way were jerks anyways and I realized later they use drugs anyways... I had legit reasons too, they were just self-righteous douchebags, with money to burn.
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-Also my dual diagnosis is a pretty obvious answer for why I seem like that. But they also don't know jack about that. Some do... but they ignore the major damage in treating both, and act like they save so many lives. Also they can't prove much.
-Perhaps people who only associate energy with being high and haven't lived like I have... they just assume it. Most people are dumb anyways so it doesn't bother me.
-Anyone else seem this way after antidepressants.
- @Ghost says they can definitely worsen ADD. So that may be part of it as well.

So I've been accutane sides for almost 4 years, and I started smoking marijuana almost 2, a few months ago and I've smoked marijuana pretty much every day, I feel when I'm normal as if I was still with "altered perception of the things around me "I do not travel or anything, I just feel like this, like I'm not really where I am, like depersonalization, but I've stopped smoking for a long time and nothing has changed

 

[Canari]

@Namelk this is typical again of a parasympathetic response blocking an excess of charge in the sympathetic nervous system. This is a protection that your body gives you. Smoking weed is usually calming the sympathetic but it does not mean that it will affect the parasympathetic grip. This grip has to soften very slowly, to allow some of the sympathetic accumulation to go away, what is called a discharge. When it is too strong, we re-bloc. To do this process oneself, there is no other way than knowing how the ANS works. Mineral balance helps of course, but you can regulate the ANS too.
This grip is also a cause of producing less stomach acid and having a slow digestion, or alternating between the 2.

 

[MNK99]

I felt normal on real drugs. C17H21NO4 and later dexedrine. Vodka too for a while -- but clearly I was not normal, I was dissociating/fkd up a lot and the depression and anxiety after alcoholism is horrible. Alcohol's bad news.

I took accutane 3mo, effexor xr 1.5yrs (maybe less I don't know), fin 4.5mo; as a teen, early 20's, late 20's respectively.
All the three above are trash..

I meant more "High" with no sleep. Or seeming high and agitated. Talking super fast... moving/pacing/ fidgeting a lot. Stuff like that. When completely sober.
In fact people used to accuse me of being high or on something all the time, way before I ever was. Effexor XR sent me the heights of mania that I didn't understand
till many years later.

I don't know it's hard to explain.

 

[Namelk]

Hmmm I understand @Canari , thank you for the explanation.Can you tell me how I can regulate the ANS? any hint how I can improve this depersonalization and get back to taking pleasure in things?

 

[r4ndom]

Just wondering if anyone ever became or acted "perpetually high" after SSRI's or SNRI's.
TL;DR --> anyone else seem permanently high after SSRI's/SNRI's. Or after beating PSSD?
---------
In high school I was straight-edge, barely even drank. I had friends that smoked a lot of marijuana, and I remember thinking one of them was "perma fried".
As in always seeming high/stupid even without smoking.

I am not talking about that kind of high -- I'm talking about the kind of apparent high that someone who uses a lot of cocaine or speed would have.
It's quite possible I was always like that (probable even), just worsened in my 20's. Also the people asking "are you high?" are like me and are sometimes high.
-or they're not joking and they're just squares and judgemental. I'm not worried about it, I just wonder if I was always like that or not.

Also, does anyone know why idiot family doctors and even psychiatrists try and give people Effexor as a first line treatment for ADHD? (Not mine, but plenty of doctors I've seen that don't know what they're talking about). G.P.'s are the worst -- they have absolutely no business prescribing or even discussing psychiatry, neurology, or endocrinology.

I don't know a single person that has ADHD and ever got better on SSRI's/SNRI's, let alone Effexor. Obviously I would never go back to Effexor (I have experienced way better things prescribed and otherwise). I'm just wondering. Certainly none of that is good for hyperactive ADD. Maybe inattentive people have better results with those kind of meds. Mostly they're just playing russian roulette and looking at checklists. If I could pay money to skip ahead and only ever see specialists (which is kind of what I did throughout my mid 20's), I would.

Also before anyone says its cuz of drug use -- I'm totally functional (or was) on the stronger stimulants, actually acted more normal than when I was on nothing. Closer to functional and normal than ever. Real drugs are targeted selectively on the right target... not sledgehammers that alter functioning without discrimination.

As far as I'm concerned finasteride and effexor are worse than real drugs (the ones that work and serve a purpose, not the ones created by pharma-douches and mktg). Also marijuana's pretty bad too for me, while on effexor, afterwards, and most times after PFS. Even with a clean bill of health - mj has ruined many nights for me (not using now). I hate it.

The only people who ever commented on it in a bad judgemental way were jerks anyways and I realized later they use drugs anyways... I had legit reasons too, they were just self-righteous douchebags, with money to burn.
---------
-Also my dual diagnosis is a pretty obvious answer for why I seem like that. But they also don't know jack about that. Some do... but they ignore the major damage in treating both, and act like they save so many lives. Also they can't prove much.
-Perhaps people who only associate energy with being high and haven't lived like I have... they just assume it. Most people are dumb anyways so it doesn't bother me.
-Anyone else seem this way after antidepressants.
- @Ghost says they can definitely worsen ADD. So that may be part of it as well.

iv had people ask me if i am high as well, or are convinced i smoke weed when i dont

 

[MNK99]

Since before I knew what drugs were haha. This jerk shop teacher (the most useless class).
IN phys-ed when I was supposed to lead the class in warm up, the teacher would say: "Alright Kramer that's enough."
Haha. I owned math, science, and drama tho. Now I'd own all those kids and adults, they're all doing jack all and making nothing.
The little mangey douchebags.

But more seriously in my early 20's since I was accused of it (much more harshly) anyways, I said fuck it and stayed high on and off for a long time. Most of my substance use was dealing with PSSD, self-medicating, ADHD, and other depressing things like that/anxiety. Still Effexor and Finasteride were like 1000* worse. Although alcohol came pretty close -- blackouts.

I think way faster than most people and can accurately predict what they're going to say, so stimulants "slowed me down" in a sense. And I thought vodka did for a bit, but it's a dangerous road.

Eccentricity and talking really fast, with my hands, and cutting people off while their talking also plays a role.
Also constant irritation. And walking super fast, not sleeping, etc.
I can't be pigeon-holed and I'm upset about things that they cannot begin to comprehend, so they label me "sketchy", when really they're just simple minded.

 

[Canari]

I think way faster than most people
cutting people off while their talking
I'm upset about things that they cannot begin to comprehend,
really they're just simple minded.

I know what you mean, but they also do what they can! And a quick mind, which can be stimulation from copper too... is a gift, but also a burden! It does not come price-free!
Really, focus not on being right and fast, but on slowing down and follow people enough, with care, because connexion is more important than being right....
Connexion is a strong tool for healing, that is what is going on in the forum, but when we can get this outside the esphere, that feels good!

I do judge people because we cannot help it, but I do not condemn, that is the difference!

 

[MNK99]

-Yes, definitely a gift and a curse. A double-edged sword.
-I didn't mean that in a negative, putting down kind of way. I just mean a lot of people in life...
-It becomes hard to differentiate, and I often can't turn it off. And it definitely does get in the way of relationships.
-For instance many friends and girls have said to me : "You never listen." Others: "We're having 2 different conversations right now."
-"Stop predicting what I'm gonna say!" etc.
-And I know it gets annoying... some very narcissistic people would rather lose a relationship/friendship altogether than admitting they're wrong.
-Many people would rather die than to admit they're wrong (for things they are clearly wrong about), that's taking it too far mostly.
-So is "being right all the time"/thinking one's right all the time and being alone.
-Sometimes we just gotta say "yes, sure I will." But at the same time being careful to not just tell people what they want to hear.
-Connection is a strong part of our healing toolbox, but its really really hard to know who to trust.
-Judgement and such are inborn or related to how we deal with constant information-overload. It helps us as a species, make decisions quickly.
-Speaking of connection - choosing friends and careers where those qualities are an asset rather than a hinderance may be the only way to go for some people. Though as my friend says with me and him "It's like the blind leading the blind." And we totally get lost, and forget what the hell we were trying to do. Same with most my friends actually. Maybe less now, but that's bc I get more done alone.
-No man is an island though... as they say.

 

[Canari]

I meant more "High" with no sleep. Or seeming high and agitated. Talking super fast... moving/pacing/ fidgeting a lot. Stuff like that. When completely sober.
In fact people used to accuse me of being high or on something all the time, way before I ever was. Effexor XR sent me the heights of mania that I didn't understand
till many years later.

I don't know it's hard to explain.

It is hard to describe, then easy to explain, as all you mention are signs of sympathetic activation. So when we have difficulties in using the reciprocal system of the 2 branches of the nervous system, like accelerator and brake, then the body wants to stop this, because it costs too much full and diminish the access to rest - digest - repair - immunity - reproduction. That is when, if accelerator does not want to stop, the body uses the hand brake. As you can imagine, it wastes even more fuel, but allows some better functionning.

The problem of this system, only for us humans, is that we stay too long in it, because the coming out is unconfortable. When you remove the hand brake, well, you still have the powerful acceleration! So you hand brake again... We need to remove little brake, release a little accelerator, remove a bit more hand-brake, release a bit more of the acceleration...

Those who alternate between depression and anxiety alternate between some freeze response and some sympathetic activation. The regulation of the nervous system works like a pendulum, and it has to be slowed down gradualy.

 

[Canari]

And I know it gets annoying... some very narcissistic people

Narcisim does not matter in that case, because people ALL want conexion when they talk, really it is good for us to stop cutting connexion! And I am working at it! People often tell me I am often right, too much right... It is not easy, but it is like looking at cars coming even if you are on the pedestrian crossing lines! HOW DOES IT HELP TO BE RIGHT IF YOU GET WOUNDED?
Try to see how you feel when you hold on an answer... probably you will feel it is hard to do, but a good exefcise. You can also try to speak about things that are not subject to controversy, or that are only about opinions, so that all can keep her opinion. Connect, talk about how you feel instead of giving informations at cortex level. Do it with unknown people, because it is harder to do with people who already know you and your ways!
Talk with your friends who know you, and tell them you want to try something different and tell them it is not easy, share about your feeling, and they will share about themselves too... Invent a way to be supported in talking differently. For listening more, the tip is to listen to your feeling inside when people talk, and stop preparing an answer! Study your body sensations when you listen, what does it feel when you do not agree? Do you feel there is a danger? Put your cortex abiities into this study for yourself, so you will need less to answer and debate etc!

 

[Canari]

Hmmm I understand @Canari , thank you for the explanation.Can you tell me how I can regulate the ANS? any hint how I can improve this depersonalization and get back to taking pleasure in things?

You are welcome for any explanation. It is at the same time simple, but refined and subtle. We were deprived of some abilities, we had them as a child, though some people have less good abilities according to their very early start in life (that is my case so I know more than the theory...)
and things like drugs act as a perceived danger, mobilizing our defense system. The good way is to remove danger and also to get better at holding the activation from the danger. It is plasticity or resilience. This is the part I suggest to add to any health protocole.

To work on resilience, we need some time, and the first step is learning about it. It is already soothing when we understand that ...we are normal! And then we can enhance our normal functioning and make it get better. It happens by itself but we can access it consciously. The difficulty is that the access is not direct with the mind, but indirect.

So when we do an exercise, it is all about how we are going to feel it. This fine tuning to the body sensations is like learning a new language. The cortex has words and will and decisions. The limbic has the force of having habits, and its language is emotion. The ANS is directing all that happens alone in our body for life, and its language is called the "felt-sense", and it is all about what we experience and feel in the body. Even when we have emotions, we know that we feel something different inside the body. Because all our parts are connected.

With nutrition balance etc, of course you can get better and you will, but if you add something about the ANS, you will stay more stable. I mean avoiding crashes. It is like planting a tree, they say that the 1st best moment was 20 years ago, and that the 2nd best moment is today!

That is why I directed toward the best free ressource I know on the web, which is irenelyon.com and her facebook group where I am, Healthy Nervous System Revolution. Then Iam not against helping forum members who want, but it would be too much if we do not have some sort of ready made basis. It is anyway much easier to learn than biology physiology and endocrinology! And we can see it working in our everyday life, which is encouraging and less microscopic that minerals, cells and mitochondria! It also gives the ability to understand other fellow humans each time better, and ourselves, and how to react, for the parts we can control. It is also self empowering. This is the good part, and it explains why I cannot give anybody a direct way to regulate the ANS. But you sure can learn, as long as you know how to corelate what you feel to what to do next. Feeling means practical and personal experience.