Sexual arousal by dominance and submission in relation to increased reproductive success in the general population.

MNK99

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Actually all of EU no guns rite?
Except for terror incidents/ wars? They sent in the Military to all that stuff that happened 2012-2016 in France and the UK and everything? After 911 and Boston Attack?

In Canada, by the damn Blue Jays Stadium... they close the one highway... and station horse-cops and bicycle-cops all over the place.
All drunk low-class Americans come down during Carribana and destroy shops (I.e. Chicago, and Upstate NY, and Detroit, Jersey also).

There was a guy or girl who may or may have not done some things that may or may not be frowned upon by some, inside or around an area near or not near said area. Some other guys or girls may or may not condone.
 
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OH I see. Germans actually have an economy though, so they need guns rite? UK does too though. Just bc you're a producer doesn't mean you need heavy arms I guess. Canada = Peacekeeping. Peaceful mostfully, Like ME!!!!!
 

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I have to clarify one thing in order to not screw up your relations with women :)
Research which I post does not contain important information, that male should be dominant only toward ovulating women (around 7 days during 28 cycle in 90 % of females cycle look like this). Ovulating women percieve dominant male attractive. Ovulation is the time when women want to have sex as often as possible, ovulation is time when women can be impregnate.
Otherwise female will react badly during rest days of cycle. Hope this helps.
 

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mostly i enjoyed screwing up my relns.
 

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Hmmmmmm. Seems there are a lot of guys on here speaking out of their not so great experiences.
I don’t think it has to be definitively one or the other. Yes, women want Prince Charming. It’s why Disney has made so much money off of the fairytale. The problem is, they get Prince Charming, and Prince Charming gets reeeeeeal lazy. He doesn’t think he has to fight for his prize anymore. Apathy and business as usual sets in, and women go looking for the mystique and the adventure that they wish Prince Charming would show them.
Ask the bad boy if he has any luck retaining a relationship. Sure he may get lots of opportunities from women running from their “safe” relationships, but he is not satisfying their desire to be secure and cared for. It is both and. It’s Yin and Yang.
Here’s what I think and have experienced in 15 years of marriage- it’s freaking hard work. And it should be. The minute you stop dating your wife, that’s it. Game over. Ester Perel speaks so well about this. Women want security and the unknown in equal measure, but the two are at odds with each other. It is our job to give them both, and we can. Be the gentleman, the knight in shining armor, but be unpredictable, mysterious about things, assertive and in control. When she thinks she has you pinned down, you move, you shift. This is why as men, it is our job to continue to grow, to acquire knowledge and skill. To involve ourselves in many things- both intellectually, mechanically, and combatively. Be the renaissance man. Yes, it takes work, yes it’s hard, but god is it worth it.... on every front.
Wasn't it nice when Marriage was rarely broken? You could take a break now and then, and they could to.

All this arguing about politics...Freedom can only be taken, never given. People get what they are willing to fight for.
 

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You mean in the past, when you didn't actually exist?
Not to seem completely snarky, agreed: "All this arguing about politics...Freedom can only be taken, never given. People get what they are willing to fight for." @Tar.
 
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Death by tribal territorial dispute could also be considered "meaningless", because civilized diplomacy could have offered an alternative solution for a greater net gain, allowing you to continue living and contribute more to the world. Either way, nothing has inherent meaning - life is what you make of it. We live in a time where a single person can create and acheive more in a lifetime than in any other point in history, and you can create pretty much whatever lifestyle you want for yourself. Before civilization there was no choice.

I also think that just because we have this evolutionary baggage of innate violence doesn't mean we should be slaves to it. Our species is unique in that our cultural/technological evolution has superseded our biological evolution. That said, I do think we are all less happy because many people haven't found their modern-day "tribe" yet, and all of our technological/cultural achievements have brought us to a point where tribes aren't a practical necessity, but they still remain an emotional necessity.

Great points.

I think this is just something in us, especially men.

I think the good thing about civilisation is the creativity, art, expressions it brings. With high amount of violence you need to watch your back 24/7. This stops creativity and exploring different concepts.

But violence feels good. Just like sex feels good. There is a reason why you feel good after fighting someone. It is promoted by your brain through feel good chemicals.

Even in civilisation there is threat of violence by government. Otherwise people would not do what they want. They have monopoly on violence. Is this good or not? I do not know. Violence is the end answer, even in civilisation. If you do not listen you get punished. And it is enforced mostly by men.

Civilisation has good things and bad things.

I think it is bad for masculinity. There is a reason why a lot of men are unfulfilled and unhappy. We feel worthless. We are used as worker drones for soulless companies. Slaves for men in power and even women. You can chase money and I think it is the best option. But it is still a game made by this civilisation. You are still playing by the rules.

In a small tribe you would always have worth and meaning, for your particular tribe. Whatever virtues they have. Because they need you. You are accountable to a small group. Which is what the human brain is made for. Civilisation does not need me particularly. They have millions of other worker drone on standby (people in college, students, young men). You can con your way through the world and no one will catch you. This means that virtues are not important anymore. Because you can con the world if you just keep moving around. In a tribe you cannot do this.

Normally if a man wanted women he would simply take them by VIOLENCE. Plunder, loot the village and take their women. That is power.

Now you need to play the game of looking a certain way, acting a certain way and maybe, just maybe you get some pussy. Or she will choose you based on the stuff (money) you have.

I want to choose which women I have. Not the other way around. If she does not want to, too bad, I am stronger than them, they will have to listen.

I do not want to play by the rules. But I also see that not playing by the rules will land me in prison/jail.

Men in older age might have lived shorter but God damn they probably felt more alive than most of us.

For women civilisation is great. They have protection. They and their children are supported. They can choose a mate that they think is most desirable. Etc. Women will never give up society. It is always men that will start disrupting the order. Women will never say "society sucks". Because most of them get a good deal out of it. Protection and security is very important for women.
 
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I think it is bad for masculinity. There is a reason why a lot of men are unfulfilled and unhappy. We feel worthless. We are used as worker drones for soulless companies. Slaves for men in power and even women. You can chase money and I think it is the best option. But it is still a game made by this civilisation. You are still playing by the rules.

I don't think chasing money is the best option at all, it can be helpful short term sure, to avoid having to work in an office, but wasting your prime years on the planet to chase money does not seem much better to me. The idea of chasing something so abstract is completely alien to our biology. We have always been social creatures, so we find it fulfilling to forge good connections to family, friends around us. We have always been curious creatures which is why we can find it fulfilling to put energy into creative pursuits, like arts, science, other creative endeavours like you said.

I agree that tribal life would have been more fulfilling than most lifestyles today, but I think our civilisation can be even more fulfilling if we push it in the right direction. We understand human beings much better now than we did when we were in tribes, and I think that can help us have better connections to other people. Our creative pursuits have also developed a lot further, and I think energy put into creative pursuits is more rewarding now than back when we were tribal creatures. We can be more secure too, I would likely already be dead living in most tribes.

Maybe back then you would be able to get the most desirable woman you wanted, if you were strong and did not killed by the other men fighting over her but I think that long term that would be much less rewarding than the types of relationships we can have now. Also, with a lot of tribes <10 people, I really don't think she would be as desirable as you would like to think lol. I think now we have a much more developed empathy, and a healthy relationship where both in the relationship have similar personalities, and cognisant of the feelings of the other person allows for a further type of connection that was rarer back then.
 

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I don't think chasing money is the best option at all, it can be helpful short term sure, to avoid having to work in an office, but wasting your prime years on the planet to chase money does not seem much better to me. The idea of chasing something so abstract is completely alien to our biology. We have always been social creatures, so we find it fulfilling to forge good connections to family, friends around us. We have always been curious creatures which is why we can find it fulfilling to put energy into creative pursuits, like arts, science, other creative endeavours like you said.

I agree that tribal life would have been more fulfilling than most lifestyles today, but I think our civilisation can be even more fulfilling if we push it in the right direction. We understand human beings much better now than we did when we were in tribes, and I think that can help us have better connections to other people. Our creative pursuits have also developed a lot further, and I think energy put into creative pursuits is more rewarding now than back when we were tribal creatures. We can be more secure too, I would likely already be dead living in most tribes.

Maybe back then you would be able to get the most desirable woman you wanted, if you were strong and did not killed by the other men fighting over her but I think that long term that would be much less rewarding than the types of relationships we can have now. Also, with a lot of tribes <10 people, I really don't think she would be as desirable as you would like to think lol. I think now we have a much more developed empathy, and a healthy relationship where both in the relationship have similar personalities, and cognisant of the feelings of the other person allows for a further type of connection that was rarer back then.

I think this society has a lot of good things. I do not want to sound pessimistic or nihilistic. Our ancestors would of LOVED this society. Humans have always fought to overcome nature.

One of the good things of globalism is that we can travel the world and see cultures without getting killed (most of the time).

Through the internet we meet like minded people.

We can eat quality food by paying for it.

A lot of great things are possible because of how we live now.

And I am grateful for that.

But for masculinity and the biological needs men have it is a struggle. That is why a lot of men are unhappy. Because they are enslaved to the system. And it is noticeable. We give away a lot for the things we get in return like safety, comfort, hedonism. These things I think are less important to men than to women.

I think men are happier with struggles and uncomfortable situations.

And that is painful once you see it. Most people do not even see it or care. Because they make sure their needs are met through artificial things: pocket pussy, pornography, violent videogames and movies, sports, etc. But all these things are not the same to the real deal.

Because all these actions have no consequences. They are there to fulfil but have no consequences to the world.

This world is a videogame. Yet we are all not playing the game. We are made sure to be kept busy with play toys and casual sex. Powerful men are shaping our world. They are making the rules (money, punishment if you do not follow the rules, etc.) Even though naturally this world would not have rules.
 

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@RebelWithACause I agree we do need a struggle, we need competition. I think we can mostly replace it though perhaps it is not ideal, with activities like sport (playing, not just watching) for competition. Gym and exercise to make sure we are still strong. Hobbies like survivalism, camping etc. to make sure we still get that struggle and testing.
 

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No Compn = No will to live for some. BUT over a level... tm. Some are all content and peaceful now. Which is very nice, and I respect and am happy for them.
We can't all live in the ocean.
 

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"Keep your head in the clouds, till you finnd your higher ground."
--Tiger in the sky 1984
 

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I do think we live in a feminine primary society - a society focussed on the success of women's sexual strategy. I work with a lot of women and it is true. Women have superior mindset. They think they are better than you. This is why ugly chicks think they are on same level as succesful guys. They get re-affirmed by social media and their girlfriends.

I look around me and see men displayed as "stupid" and "apes". Meanwhile men built this fucking world. Without men you do not have CIVILISATION. You do not have electronics. You do not have smartphones. You do not have Tinder. You do not have houses. You probably do not have birth control pills.

Yet men are shit on. Covertly and overtly.

Everything criticial you write about women is seen as misogyny. You will be framed as a frustrated chump. It is smart persuasion. And most people will fall for it. Well let them. But I am still going to say this.

Men are used as slaves. Because men are natural protectors & providers. But this is abused by men and women you do not even know or should care for. This is effect of feminism and globalism.

Men (white knights) defend every woman on earth because they got taught that from a young age. You should not care about every woman on earth. Just like you should not care about every man. Because they will use you and abuse you until you are empty. And then you look back at your life and think why the fuck did I help people who did not even care for me?

Protection means you give your life to a woman. Only give your life to a woman if she is fucking you A.K.A. giving something in return. It is a business deal. Not love magic woo bullshit.

So I do not agree with "standing up" for women because you are a gentleman. That is pathetic. And it shows how much you have been enslaved.

For example. You give protection for free. Anything you give for free is not appreciated my friend. This is psychology 101.

Women want to be equal until it does not benefit them anymore. This is logical. I would do the same. But a lot of men do not see this.

Women are protected by law and state. Look at all those single mommies. They would not be able to exist without these laws and states. Men are ruined by divorce (lose their kids + money THEY earned).

Men's sexual strategy is spreading his seed as far and wide as possible. Women's sexual strategy is getting best genetics + best provider. Most of the time this is not possible in 1 guy. So they cheat with a guy who has good genetics and let the provider pay for it. Do not be the provider.

Men will be shamed if they date younger girl. Funny.

Do not get married. And play the game. Do not let yourself get enslaved.

Women are born with value. Men need to earn it. That is also true.

I love women but they need to shut the fuck up once in a while and called out on their bullshit.
 

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I do think we live in a feminine primary society - a society focussed on the success of women's sexual strategy. I work with a lot of women and it is true. Women have superior mindset. They think they are better than you. This is why ugly chicks think they are on same level as succesful guys. They get re-affirmed by social media and their girlfriends.

I look around me and see men displayed as "stupid" and "apes". Meanwhile men built this fucking world. Without men you do not have CIVILISATION. You do not have electronics. You do not have smartphones. You do not have Tinder. You do not have houses. You probably do not have birth control pills.

Yet men are shit on. Covertly and overtly.

Everything criticial you write about women is seen as misogyny. You will be framed as a frustrated chump. It is smart persuasion. And most people will fall for it. Well let them. But I am still going to say this.

Men are used as slaves. Because men are natural protectors & providers. But this is abused by men and women you do not even know or should care for. This is effect of feminism and globalism.

Men (white knights) defend every woman on earth because they got taught that from a young age. You should not care about every woman on earth. Just like you should not care about every man. Because they will use you and abuse you until you are empty. And then you look back at your life and think why the fuck did I help people who did not even care for me?

Protection means you give your life to a woman. Only give your life to a woman if she is fucking you A.K.A. giving something in return. It is a business deal. Not love magic woo bullshit.

So I do not agree with "standing up" for women because you are a gentleman. That is pathetic. And it shows how much you have been enslaved.

For example. You give protection for free. Anything you give for free is not appreciated my friend. This is psychology 101.

Women want to be equal until it does not benefit them anymore. This is logical. I would do the same. But a lot of men do not see this.

Women are protected by law and state. Look at all those single mommies. They would not be able to exist without these laws and states. Men are ruined by divorce (lose their kids + money THEY earned).

Men's sexual strategy is spreading his seed as far and wide as possible. Women's sexual strategy is getting best genetics + best provider. Most of the time this is not possible in 1 guy. So they cheat with a guy who has good genetics and let the provider pay for it. Do not be the provider.

Men will be shamed if they date younger girl. Funny.

Do not get married. And play the game. Do not let yourself get enslaved.

Women are born with value. Men need to earn it. That is also true.

I love women but they need to shut the fuck up once in a while and called out on their bullshit.
It sounds like you need to befriend/date women who are less horrible lol. This doesn't describe my experience AT ALL.
 
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Death by tribal territorial dispute could also be considered "meaningless", because civilized diplomacy could have offered an alternative solution for a greater net gain, allowing you to continue living and contribute more to the world. Either way, nothing has inherent meaning - life is what you make of it. We live in a time where a single person can create and acheive more in a lifetime than in any other point in history, and you can create pretty much whatever lifestyle you want for yourself. Before civilization there was no choice.

I also think that just because we have this evolutionary baggage of innate violence doesn't mean we should be slaves to it. Our species is unique in that our cultural/technological evolution has superseded our biological evolution. That said, I do think we are all less happy because many people haven't found their modern-day "tribe" yet, and all of our technological/cultural achievements have brought us to a point where tribes aren't a practical necessity, but they still remain an emotional necessity.

We’re a true health finding tribe guys! And I enjoy being a part of it even though we’re here for some pretty horrible reasons.

This is pretty cool being part of a community of minds on the internet. Working together to find what we need: health!
 

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It sounds like you need to befriend/date women who are less horrible lol. This doesn't describe my experience AT ALL.

I only date girls who are pleasant to be around. This is on grand scale. Meta.

This is a hypothesis/filter of reality to what is happening in modern day society and why a lot of men are frustrated.

There is a reason why MGTOW is big. There is a reason why The Red Pill is big. Because it would not be there if men were not experiencing issues.

There is a reason why people try to shame these movements and try to frame them as "angry, frustrated men".

This might not be your experience. But I have seen it around me too many times to ignore it.

Look, maybe I was brought up as a "provider for everybody" A.K.A. a beta. It took me long time to realise why I kept failing with women in my late teens/early twenties. Maybe you are raised more traditionally. I do not know.

After you start seeing how you get brainwashed from young age with Disney and how my own dad was supplicating to my mom all the time.

Role reversals in movies (logical, intelligent woman with a dumb, emotional guy).

Men getting fucked over with divorce.

Women pushed in workplaces.

Men getting cucked - raising other man's child.

Girls dumping you when you are a "nice guy".

Maybe this is cognitive bias. Maybe not. I think this "filter of reality" shows reality much better then my old filter of "women are angels, I need to protect them".
 

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he is right on most points to be fair, its called being red pilled . Most of my friends who are married have to get permission to leave the house from their wives, they all are fat and have no drive in life anymore. The only things men should be pursing above all else is finacial freedom , health , knowledge and most of all have a purpose in life

the reason most women cheat now days is they do not respect men and i do not blame then as most men do not respect themselves
 

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he is right on most points to be fair, its called being red pilled . Most of my friends who are married have to get permission to leave the house from their wives, they all are fat and have no drive in life anymore. The only things men should be pursing above all else is finacial freedom , health , knowledge and most of all have a purpose in life

the reason most women cheat now days is they do not respect men and i do not blame then as most men do not respect themselves

I think health is #1, then financial freedom and then women, if you want to.
 

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Maybe it's different in The Netherlands, but the US is still very much a male-dominated society. Men get paid more, respected more, have more power, etc. For that reason, any gender-based "affirmative action" is definitely warranted over here, but I think that when some men see that they get defensive because they're so accustomed to having the bias in their favor, and any counter balancing feels like a threat.