SIMPLE DETOX PROTOCOL FOR DUMMIES( heavy metals, drugs)

[Yura]

@gbolduev finding lots of copper and iron in the liver after death could mean that the copper and iron are, by default, deposited in the liver after death. Meaning that MAYBE it is a normal thing for the body to deposit/drop off iron/copper in the liver after death occurs. Could this be possible?

The only way to test this theory is to test an animal's liver LIVE for copper/iron levels (which is not possible at the moment for the general slaves, i mean public), next, kill the animal, and re-test immediately the liver's copper/iron levels.

No that is not possible. Simply the liver is storage organ for this metals as well as vitA, B vitamins etc..

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev finding lots of copper and iron in the liver after death could mean that the copper and iron are, by default, deposited in the liver after death. Meaning that MAYBE it is a normal thing for the body to deposit/drop off iron/copper in the liver after death occurs. Could this be possible?

The only way to test this theory is to test an animal's liver LIVE for copper/iron levels (which is not possible at the moment for the general slaves, i mean public), next, kill the animal, and re-test immediately the liver's copper/iron levels.

Are you insane.? people dont die and dogs dont die, they biopsy the livers alive LOL Dog person tested so many animals ALIVE. All high copper and iron. Nothing is deposited in the liver during death. You are really something man. denying the obvious.

Animals are killed at once. Body does not deposit anything anywhere after it is dead. It is freaking dead. it has zero regulations. And the death happens in one day. and the liver is taken out of the animal and then you eat it )) Otherwise meat goes bad.

It is not a theory, you eat the liver and it is full of copper and iron, Go test it in the lab.))) I did. Livers are super toxic in mercury lead aluminum. I tested them. I wont eat the organ which is there to detoxify . I wont eat kidneys also. eating liver and kidneys are good for amino acids, but those organs are extremely toxic in heavy metals. It is basically like eating the toilet.
Among organ meats. I only eat hearts.

 

[Yura]

@gbolduev I think a lot now about calcium. I mean calcium is also hard to absorb when you have low stomach acid. People have high calcium in the blood/hair. But isn't it from high PTH? So the body is releasing calcium from the bones/teeth to the blood and soft tissues.. Yes you need also magnesium, vitD,K2 etc.. but if you are sick with low stomach acid. You can't absorb calcium, so your body will increase PTH to release calcium from the bones/teeth to the blood. Like in my case. I have higher calcium in the blood, unfortunately I can't test PTH, but I am sure that this high calcium is not from the diet..

 

[Helen]

calcium citrate does not need stomach acid. If you are in alkalosis and using hydrogen for antioxidation , body goes into alkalosis and it does not want calcium or vitamin D. Some people are in lactic acidosis , and they have high calcium levels in blood. But those people are not slow oxidziers. As I told you already stop guessing. If you are fast oxidizer you need ccopper and calcium if not you need to chelate them.
Also some fast oxidizers need zinc and b vitamins instead , those with high sodium potassium ratio.

 

[Yura]

calcium citrate does not need stomach acid. If you are in alkalosis and using hydrogen for antioxidation , body goes into alkalosis and it does not want calcium or vitamin D. Some people are in lactic acidosis , and they have high calcium levels in blood. But those people are not slow oxidziers. As I told you already stop guessing. If you are fast oxidizer you need ccopper and calcium if not you need to chelate them.
Also some fast oxidizers need zinc and b vitamins instead , those with high sodium potassium ratio.

That's maybe the reason why I feel not so good on hydrogen rich water interesting hm.. Since I am hypothyroid very long time. My stomach acid was also low long time. I am 10 years on T4. Without it my TSH goes up like crazy and I am like walking death.. This is not fast oxidizer lol.

Btw citrate doesn't need stomach acid great. But we are talking about utilizing calcium from the diet. So you are saying that only "fast oxidizer" needs calcium? lol? You should say they need more calcium than others. But everybody needs calcium and my point was that when you are sick/hypothyroid/chronic fatigue/slow metabolism as fuck/ zero stomach acid guess what. You can't absorb calcium = you are deficient in calcium fast/slow whatever doesn't matter. So in this case high calcium in the blood etc.. is from high PTH.. That's my point. Everybody needs calcium not just fast oxidizer.. So I was low in calcium and I was taking all this magnesium chloride in transdermal form all the time. Like everybody is saying- everybody needs more magnesium and don't take calcium it will kill you etc.. No wonder I had very low blood pressure, blood pulling into my legs, transparent teeth, fucked up spine, weak pulse etc.. Low calcium..

 

[Helen]

@Yura , yes most people need calcium. You eat it with food daily. If you take magnesium alone, yes it can cause calcium imbalance, if you have high calcium in blood. yes you might need calcium and vitamin d and boron etc

 

[Yura]

@gbolduev "You eat it with food daily" Eat and absorb are two different things. Btw can you explain more about hydrogen and alkalosis? Everybody talks about no side effects from hydrogen. Well this can be a huge problem for some people right?

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev "You eat it with food daily" Eat and absorb are two different things. Btw can you explain more about hydrogen and alkalosis? Everybody talks about no side effects from hydrogen. Well this can be a huge problem for some people right?

Yura , this is not a forum for guessing. Ray Peat forum is for that. taking salt calcium copper etc. progesterones. This forum is about getting tested and getting fixed. I dont want to spend my time guessing.

And you keep wondering around being super sick yourself , giving advice to other people. This is manic. It is copper toxicity. same as this legna person. He is also super sick and just goes off giving out advice. It is crazy , if you guys are so smart and know everything, why the hell re you so sick with no bile, panic attacks and totally screwed up.. Copper will do this to people. they just dont stop. And being super sick they just dont stop giving out advice, although stuff they are on simply does not work.

Bud, I like you and I like everyone on this forum. but without testing it will be super hard to fix you. You should understand this.

 

[Helen]

@Yura I dont drink hydrogen water with magnesium. If you are a fast oxidizer or you have high cortisol and potassium in the cell. You might not feel good on magnesium.

You sound like a person in 4 lows electrolytes pattern/ This person needs to slow down , and needs tons of taurine, calcium and magnesium zinc copper and all electrolytes.

 

[noprop]

@Yura: testing is important. I tested prostate, stool, heavy metals etc. All results showed I have issues.
See here what copper toxity can cause: CopperToxic.com

Hack is a very good platform. Enjoy it.

 

[Yura]

@Yura: testing is important. I tested prostate, stool, heavy metals etc. All results showed I have issues.
See here what copper toxity can cause: CopperToxic.com

Hack is a very good platform. Enjoy it.

Are you kidding me? I am the one who posted this link on copper toxicity here.

 

[Yura]

@Yura I dont drink hydrogen water with magnesium. If you are a fast oxidizer or you have high cortisol and potassium in the cell. You might not feel good on magnesium.

You sound like a person in 4 lows electrolytes pattern/ This person needs to slow down , and needs tons of taurine, calcium and magnesium zinc copper and all electrolytes.

I can't take copper and slow down at the same time. Copper = adrenal stimulation, racing mind etc.. When I calculate my non ceruloplasmin bound copper from serum copper and serum ceruloplasmin the number is 99,8%... I need calcium for sure. Btw B vitamins are speeding things-stimulants right? I am taking maybe to much B1 and B3..

 

[Helen]

I can't take copper and slow down at the same time. Copper = adrenal stimulation, racing mind etc.. I need calcium for sure. Btw B vitamins are speeding things-stimulants right? I am taking maybe to much B1 and B3..

Man , please stop this, you are super manic. I understand you are in a bad position. But please hear what I am saying. I have no idea what your body chemistry is. You are guessing. are you in slow oxidation fast, I dont know. You are taking all these bs. I have no idea where you are.

 

[Helen]

@Yura , if you have no bile flow you need to get tested ASAP. Bile could be increased with either taurine or glycine. Since iti s dependant on glutathione or taurine.

 

[Yura]

@gbolduev what you think about coffee enemas for detox?

 

[supernature]

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[supernature]

Fast oxidizers are usually toxic in some metals. which impair conversion of cysteine. And this causes them to use copper more.

that is why they are given copper, But most of them are not true fast oxidizers. It is just a catabolic state mostly.

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[Legna88]

when i crashed in august 2017 i had high-ish calcium in blood and also high potassium in blood... my latest HTMA indicated i was fast oxidizer...

all people need ALL the RDAs of minerals and vitamins.

Heal your liver and heal your body. The liver will balance out everything IF it is cleansed and regenerated.

but this is just MY OPINION... nothing more...

 

[Helen]

when i crashed in august 2017 i had high-ish calcium in blood and also high potassium in blood... my latest HTMA indicated i was fast oxidizer...

all people need ALL the RDAs of minerals and vitamins.

Heal your liver and heal your body. The liver will balance out everything IF it is cleansed and regenerated.

but this is just MY OPINION... nothing more...

Simple lactic acidosis. Most people get RDAs of minerals and vitamins. Body can absorb all the needed nutrients within a week.

This is why deficiencies are impossible unless you are poor kid in africa and dont eat anything or you eat some weird diet and dont listen to your body

Body keeps the minerals and vitamins in the liver. IF you run low on some vitamin , body takes and increases absorption from food. Same with a mineral. If you are deficient in sodium , body just increases aldo and absorps more sodium and then drops aldo within a week.

It does the same with salt , potassium anything. Even if you are vegan and dont eat salt you will digest enough sodium in a week and the body will keep its level normal.

Now, if you are toxic in stuff especially in the brain. Then that is where the problems start.. This is when body starts making required "mistakes."

Also kelp spirulina chlorela etc. They dont chelate iron copper/ those are extremely high in iron and copper. Iron level in spirulina an kelp higher than red meat. Also all of them have toxic metals in it. Usually glutathione cleans you out from mercuries leads arsenics. But when it is down. It cant filter shilagits, it cant filter spirulinas. And people get older
This is why if you compare a person who is just fasting and swimming in the ocean for 60 days let say. and the person who takes spirulina / Spirulina person will look like total shit. and fasting person will have the best skin the best hair , the best everything. Since the skin can take up only what it needs. But digestive track is all screwed up and takes up everything/

This is why if you only use shilagit or spirulina or kelp alone , you will go grey. That is why most people who eat shilagit in India and smoke at the same time are grey. And all these black strap molasses spirulinas cholerelas dont work for grey hair. They create more grey hair.

You cant clean liver with minerals )) it is overloaded with most minerals. Especially iron and copper. And green algae are extremely high in iron.

Fast oxidizer do ok on all this stuff. But just stop generalizing. ARL NEVER GIVES IRON

Fast oxidizer have higher metabolism and does well on this stuff. Since they use up minerals in the liver. Usually sports people are fast oxidizers. BUT MOST PEOPLE ARE SLOW OXIDIZERS

Also fast oxidizer that I see on hairtests are usually fake fast oxidizers. Toxic in some heavy metals which just impair cysteine conversion into sulphate. This basically looks like a fast oxidation on the hairtest but the body increase reverse t3 and turns off the thyroid and there is lactic acidosis going. Person thinks they are high oxidation and takes copper, and it backfires.

 

[Helen]

Maybe this is from a past experience so far and not from the hair tests considered from the people in this forum.

hackstasis.com/threads/hair-test-sum-up-slow-or-fast.610/

'Group' 1 and 2 look like are in slow oxidation, 'group' 3 and 5 look like are in fast oxidation and 'group' 4 and 6 look like are in 'mixed' oxidation.

From the ARL, TEI tests for those who look like Slow oxidizers there is only one test so far that show 1 heavy metal in high range, the rest hair tests show mid acceptable range or none excreting at all.
From the hair tests that look like from a fast oxidizers there is also only 1 test that shows heavy metal into high, the other test with very high metals is from someone not on the forum, even though his levels are very high. The rest of hair tests have very little in acceptable range or none at all heavy metals excreted.
From the hair tests that look like are in 'Mixed oxidation' there is also only one test that shows a heavy metal in the high range, the rest hair tests are either mid-low normal range or none excreting at all.

Hair test is probably not the best for accessing heavy metals in general, but after certain provocation might show excretion of heavy metals.

Just looking at those around 40 hair tests its not so clear which oxidation type have the most heavy metals in general, but its interesting why the one who are in fast oxidation are not presenting way more heavy metals if their detox pathways are open wider compared to one that are in slow oxidation for ex.

On other hand the one in slow oxidation or fast or mixed with none excreting any heavy metals, is that means there are no heavy metals in the body, but just the body is not getting rid of them at that particular time.

Slow oxidizers dont excrete anything. as the metabolism speeds up you see tons of heavy metals .