I definitely have had what seemed liked permanently messed up sleep. Pre finasteride use. In fact never ever experienced fatigue or chronic fatigue apart from tiredness in the morning with ADHD or crashing from stims or even just coffee or a lot of exercise or work and school (like a week or 10 days of all nighters), outside of *I think* 6 mo after quitting Effexor XR cold turkey (pretty dangerous, I was a kid tho, and kind of moved 7000 km overnite -pretty messed up). Then rebuilt body, mental health, finances, and in many ways education, and respect.
Anyways as 20s went on and esp mid 20s worse. Often 2-3 hrs a day or 4-6. 6-7 felt good. Now can sleep 2-3 or 4 hrs mostly deep fast, with Tei even taken at different times (experimented with timing). Fin probably ruined sleep and caused chronic fatigue 8-11 months in a row. Instead of wired, quick thinking, and outgoing.. I was dead tired and suicidality depressed.
I'm dealing with serious stuff right now.
A very young relative has a fatal illness. I slept every night this week. (Family here is kind of making it mandatory and I get it).
So 3-4 hrs now 5-6 last nite, 6-8 nite before. 3 and 6 or so nite before.
Better sleep now and on medical marijuana (mostly helped sleep but tried for other reasons. Sleep and mood definitely better... Add ok... Not best ever. Anger ... Depression etc removed but not the best way to do it for me* that was 6 weeks or so maybe 4 mo ago).
*Note* kind of hate sleeping. However working out hard... Recovering... Studying... Learning... Making money... (Trading on own, writing, or normal real office work) ***requires it*** - eventually. Can't be insomnia ridden 20-80 yrs straight.
* Some probably are*. Surely it improves fin wise but takes a long ass time.
Way better now. I'd rather be like how I was or near it than CFS + SUICIDAL + LOOKING DIFFERENT (AGED and different).
But yes, still issues to work on.
6/9 sleep and like 25-28/30 issues solved is pretty damn good.
I am a perfectionist and remaining PFS issues drive me crazy.. angry, sad at times... Mostly the money, time, a few true real friends kind of gone and didn't even get to see them off really, feel the worst.
Lucky got out of majorly horrific then terrible then barely livable then ok ish phases and then kind of good then good pretty fast. Took krazy work ethic for sure.
Anyways I think my sleep and yours will improve. I may have last slept well a few yrs after puberty - not really sure. But like 200-1000 + professionals around me (PhDs MDs JDs Entrepreneurs Wall ST, law douches also) around me I kind of figure we all kind of sleep crappy till rich or content or something. It's rare for adults to sleep 8-10 hrs well into 20s-30s.
Hopefully this is vaguely helpful.
I get stressed for similar or n arly the same +1-2 issues and one is minor and one makes me pretty upset now vs pre fin.. also pre Lamotrigine hair vs now (still better than many on fin but that's not good enough BC I guess I kind of hate myself and love myself other times). Also some damages and financial reasons and me hiding all kinds of shyt and others too... People talking shyt about career when I'm 10000* stronger than them and will succeed a ton too (tho not easily**), anyways. Also ppl in general kinda piss me off. Anyways in general way better. Rolling my eyes running up and down stairs to avoid idiots. But flirting with and hooking up with some girls again. But I still hate malls and transit and people's dumb fat stupid faces***. Also ppl I was pissed off at before (for good reason*), I'm super pissed off now at times but short term and I can play the game -5-10 mins 2-3 mins instead of like 6 yrs and beyond I can keep things cool and understand that they're narcissistic and annoying and selfish but move on. Just need total independence 70-80 is good which is sort of what I had but 100 will be way better. Also want to fix a scar and I'll feel happy as a kid at times and did at times starting tei. Rite now is a really hard time.
Sorry about your friend's Father
@jacknap. Cancer is horrible. I hope he gets better. I for one will do what I can to avoid it but of randomly I had some cancer which needed 12-16 meds ya I'd rather fast forever. BC one med can kill me or worse*** so a ton simultaneously ?? No way. Short term for an accute reason super rare. My family member has the most aggressive type in the worst place and the worst kind of mutation. His father has insane discipline. Like 25 PhD and multimillionaire the next decade and beyond. Like lawsuits against and by major intl firms,CEO and founder of.various things, etc. He's a true genius. But he can't solve this - and never accepted it till recently. It's too advanced (his son's cancer).
And it's v sad seeing ev1 feeling helpless and me too. I'm being strong for family and doing whatever to help and also spend time.
