Sleep (Still have insomnia)

Pedro melo

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Yea the fiber drink, straight white vinegar is cheaper, will work fine.. I linked to the Amazon link for the BATH sea salt.. that is cheaper by the bucket vs the food sea salt, and yes roughly 20 min bath
did the bath with regular salt and apple cider vinager. The water was very hot I've started to swet all over my face but it was a cool experience. I had an incredible pump after it and it was relaxing. Ate least that
 
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I took 6 months off of it before and imo it only helps by giving me really good sleep the 1-3 times a week I use it.

I'll try doing a taper anyways since I've gotten really good at functioning on less than ideal sleep and if I can get this handled I'll be such a beast with a full reserve.

I really need my sleep so it sucks that it was taken away from me. I'm gunna have to taper off everything if I'm not recovered and wanna do TEI or ARL next year anyways.
 

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Don't want to poop on anybodys party but I've had spect scan, qeeq, evoke test... all show some type of irregularities with respect to brain frequency /power and some trauma in limbic area... that's not to say it can't heal obviously.. and maybe not everybody is affected the same way.. but I know my brain didn't get away unscathed

For sleep, neuro feedback infra low / alpha theta training was a miracle, that along with TM meditation.. I couldn't sleep for more than a few minutes at a time.. I'm basically normal now aside from a couple wakeups.. @bruschi11 is right though, bugs play a big role in sleep, because the immune system is basically in hypervigilant mode and that triggers cortisol etc.. this can crush your ability to sleep

salt baths also help relax the nervous system and at the same time discourage bugs

I'm really interested to hear more about the neuro feedback infra low / alpha theta training . Where did you get this done? What does it entail? How soon did you notice results? Do they have this in the US? NYC? I'm lucky if I get 3 - 4 hours of sleep a night and if I have 1 bad night it effects me for days trying to get "caught up" taking klononpin, etc...
 

Shellnyce

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@jacknap try Nicotinamide
I have been reseraching this as well. I started Glycine this week Sun and Mon I took 1mg just to test the waters so to speak. Tues I took 3mg and got a terrible night sleep so I skipped Wed, must took 2 LUNA and 1200mg of Mg Glycinate and sleep was good enough to go to work and function. I need something better. Longest stretch I sleep is 3 hours.
 

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You can try taurine. Helps me relax and sleep when I take it. I don't have insomnia though.

Also try 5-10 minute meditation to get body to relax.
 

Shellnyce

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You can try taurine. Helps me relax and sleep when I take it. I don't have insomnia though.

Also try 5-10 minute meditation to get body to relax.
Started researching TM today to see if it helps. Have a feeling I have constant cortisol problems. When I try to go to sleep at night its like my eye lids can barely stay shut and my eyeballs are twitching.
 

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I'm really interested to hear more about the neuro feedback infra low / alpha theta training . Where did you get this done? What does it entail? How soon did you notice results? Do they have this in the US? NYC? I'm lucky if I get 3 - 4 hours of sleep a night and if I have 1 bad night it effects me for days trying to get "caught up" taking klononpin, etc...


I had it done in Beverly Hills, but yea, it's not so specialized that it's difficult to find

These guys look pretty good in NY

What Is Neurofeedback - Neurofeedback Services Of New York

You can learn a little more about it on the link as well..

I was doing a lot to get my sleep going again..neurofeedback, tm meditation Epsom salt baths, rife , antimicrobials even a 30 day cephlasporin antibiotic as they found an infection in my brain from a dental saliva test

it all helped. But I still can't get a solid 8 hours... 4 hours at a time with an hour wake break then a few more hours is about the max right now..

but I couldn't sleep a wink for a over a year, so it's a vast improvement
 

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Just started the new round of TEI supps this week. Since the first night of taking them, I fall asleep like a rock, then 2 hours later on the dot, I wake up wide awake with my mind racing for an hour or so, and then fall back to sleep off and on. First time I’ve experienced this. Anyone had this happen?
 

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I definitely have had what seemed liked permanently messed up sleep. Pre finasteride use. In fact never ever experienced fatigue or chronic fatigue apart from tiredness in the morning with ADHD or crashing from stims or even just coffee or a lot of exercise or work and school (like a week or 10 days of all nighters), outside of *I think* 6 mo after quitting Effexor XR cold turkey (pretty dangerous, I was a kid tho, and kind of moved 7000 km overnite -pretty messed up). Then rebuilt body, mental health, finances, and in many ways education, and respect.

Anyways as 20s went on and esp mid 20s worse. Often 2-3 hrs a day or 4-6. 6-7 felt good. Now can sleep 2-3 or 4 hrs mostly deep fast, with Tei even taken at different times (experimented with timing). Fin probably ruined sleep and caused chronic fatigue 8-11 months in a row. Instead of wired, quick thinking, and outgoing.. I was dead tired and suicidality depressed.

I'm dealing with serious stuff right now.
A very young relative has a fatal illness. I slept every night this week. (Family here is kind of making it mandatory and I get it).

So 3-4 hrs now 5-6 last nite, 6-8 nite before. 3 and 6 or so nite before.

Better sleep now and on medical marijuana (mostly helped sleep but tried for other reasons. Sleep and mood definitely better... Add ok... Not best ever. Anger ... Depression etc removed but not the best way to do it for me* that was 6 weeks or so maybe 4 mo ago).

*Note* kind of hate sleeping. However working out hard... Recovering... Studying... Learning... Making money... (Trading on own, writing, or normal real office work) ***requires it*** - eventually. Can't be insomnia ridden 20-80 yrs straight.

* Some probably are*. Surely it improves fin wise but takes a long ass time.

Way better now. I'd rather be like how I was or near it than CFS + SUICIDAL + LOOKING DIFFERENT (AGED and different).

But yes, still issues to work on.

6/9 sleep and like 25-28/30 issues solved is pretty damn good.
I am a perfectionist and remaining PFS issues drive me crazy.. angry, sad at times... Mostly the money, time, a few true real friends kind of gone and didn't even get to see them off really, feel the worst.

Lucky got out of majorly horrific then terrible then barely livable then ok ish phases and then kind of good then good pretty fast. Took krazy work ethic for sure.

Anyways I think my sleep and yours will improve. I may have last slept well a few yrs after puberty - not really sure. But like 200-1000 + professionals around me (PhDs MDs JDs Entrepreneurs Wall ST, law douches also) around me I kind of figure we all kind of sleep crappy till rich or content or something. It's rare for adults to sleep 8-10 hrs well into 20s-30s.

Hopefully this is vaguely helpful.

I get stressed for similar or n arly the same +1-2 issues and one is minor and one makes me pretty upset now vs pre fin.. also pre Lamotrigine hair vs now (still better than many on fin but that's not good enough BC I guess I kind of hate myself and love myself other times). Also some damages and financial reasons and me hiding all kinds of shyt and others too... People talking shyt about career when I'm 10000* stronger than them and will succeed a ton too (tho not easily**), anyways. Also ppl in general kinda piss me off. Anyways in general way better. Rolling my eyes running up and down stairs to avoid idiots. But flirting with and hooking up with some girls again. But I still hate malls and transit and people's dumb fat stupid faces***. Also ppl I was pissed off at before (for good reason*), I'm super pissed off now at times but short term and I can play the game -5-10 mins 2-3 mins instead of like 6 yrs and beyond I can keep things cool and understand that they're narcissistic and annoying and selfish but move on. Just need total independence 70-80 is good which is sort of what I had but 100 will be way better. Also want to fix a scar and I'll feel happy as a kid at times and did at times starting tei. Rite now is a really hard time.

Sorry about your friend's Father @jacknap. Cancer is horrible. I hope he gets better. I for one will do what I can to avoid it but of randomly I had some cancer which needed 12-16 meds ya I'd rather fast forever. BC one med can kill me or worse*** so a ton simultaneously ?? No way. Short term for an accute reason super rare. My family member has the most aggressive type in the worst place and the worst kind of mutation. His father has insane discipline. Like 25 PhD and multimillionaire the next decade and beyond. Like lawsuits against and by major intl firms,CEO and founder of.various things, etc. He's a true genius. But he can't solve this - and never accepted it till recently. It's too advanced (his son's cancer).
And it's v sad seeing ev1 feeling helpless and me too. I'm being strong for family and doing whatever to help and also spend time.
 
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BC2018

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People who don't have insomnia can't understand we're talking 25 years of misery here, an entire life stolen. There is nothing worse than being sleep deprived. I'm much worse and older looking than when I got pfs but I feel better because I can sleep when I want.
 

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I've only had sleeping issues since two/three years, during a period where I was juggling with cortisol and thyroid hormones. Lately it's been miles better. Just today I've slept for 10 hours, something I haven't done since. I am taking a soup bouillon (salt), a protein shake with milk (amino's, fat and calcium) and potassium and magnesium right before bed and it seems to help a lot. I've always felt it is electrolyte related in my case.
 

BC2018

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I've only had sleeping issues since two/three years, during a period where I was juggling with cortisol and thyroid hormones. Lately it's been miles better. Just today I've slept for 10 hours, something I haven't done since. I am taking a soup bouillon (salt), a protein shake with milk (amino's, fat and calcium) and potassium and magnesium right before bed and it seems to help a lot. I've always felt it is electrolyte related in my case.
Yes minerals and amino acids even taken rarely made it easier to fall asleep. Wish I got to experience that lifting of deficiencies before I got hit with pfs and lost my rem sleep for years and probably suffered permanent damage so I will never sleep as nature intended ever again.