Sleep (Still have insomnia)

[jacknap]

so since I crashed June 2 2017 from RU58441 (and possibly the cocktail of drugs that I used prior to the crash contributed as well; LSD, modafinil, phenibut, kratom)

It's a bit scary that even with aids this week I've only been able to get 6 hours then I can't get that last 3 hours. (I used to always sleep 9 hours and felt best like that).

If I maintain super strict sleep schedule and rotate herbs I often can fix this but I also still have downswings.

Do people who have Traumatic brain injuries have permanently effed up sleep? I recovered a lot first 3-4 months and then it sort of seems like it plateaued. Though I might be in a down swing right now and looking at things negatively. But not sure because mood wise I'm feeling pretty happy because I'm having a fun weekend.

I'm going tor each out to a psychiatrist that apparently offers spect scans that can actually show if I have a TBI which is what I suspected when I first crashed. I was having convulsions the first week of crashing as well as EXTREMELY painful headaches. felt like things were exploding in my head. super intense brain glutamate toxicity?

 

[bruschi11]

It’s not a brain injury. It’s never a brain injury.

Whatever happened in your body ended up hurting your brain. You have to fix what is wrong with your body.

And when I say your body it’s likely a multitude of imbalances leading to some sort of pathogens, toxicities, heavy metals causing issues.

It’s almost never the brain man and if people learn to understand this we’ll have more people beating this stuff.

 

[MNK99]

It's probably super complicated and likely Ru and possibly something else but not the recreational substances...

Well a lady I know. A friend had a TBI and WY way better sleep than me last year and really like 15 yrs 10 for sure. She had a car accident and also was put on lithium carbonate (not exactly sure why...makes nearly zero sense in her case). It'll be fine.

Easy for me to say. But I was up nearly 2 months like 30 hrs of sleep in 20-30 d

PFS didn't get worse at all (ya sure mental function anger and wanting to be happy and stuff got worse but it wasn't PFS at that stage). Sleep was PFS for sure pre fasting (chelation, detoxification).

I know it's difficult.
But I don't think you need to jump to concluding that it's some traumatic life long brain injury bro.

I blacked out 21 st bday among other things that happened on mj effexor vodka possibly other stuff, may have been drugged. Way way smarter at 23 + than then. And also better structure focus and mood.... Which should all be fucked up if there was an issue like TBI
I thought it was and was v scared at some point I remember walking around really sad. It was also pssd at that point.

Fucking fake friends also that bday.

Anyways it'll be fine.

 

[Ocguy]

It's probably super complicated and likely Ru and possibly something else but not the recreational substances...

Well a lady I know. A friend had a TBI and WY way better sleep than me last year and really like 15 yrs 10 for sure. She had a car accident and also was put on lithium carbonate (not exactly sure why...makes nearly zero sense in her case). It'll be fine.

Easy for me to say. But I was up nearly 2 months like 30 hrs of sleep in 20-30 d

PFS didn't get worse at all (ya sure mental function anger and wanting to be happy and stuff got worse but it wasn't PFS at that stage). Sleep was PFS for sure pre fasting (chelation, detoxification).

I know it's difficult.
But I don't think you need to jump to concluding that it's some traumatic life long brain injury bro.

I blacked out 21 st bday among other things that happened on mj effexor vodka possibly other stuff, may have been drugged. Way way smarter at 23 + than then. And also better structure focus and mood.... Which should all be fucked up if there was an issue like TBI
I thought it was and was v scared at some point I remember walking around really sad. It was also pssd at that point.

Fucking fake friends also that bday.

Anyways it'll be fine.

so since I crashed June 2 2017 from RU58441 (and possibly the cocktail of drugs that I used prior to the crash contributed as well; LSD, modafinil, phenibut, kratom)

It's a bit scary that even with aids this week I've only been able to get 6 hours then I can't get that last 3 hours. (I used to always sleep 9 hours and felt best like that).

If I maintain super strict sleep schedule and rotate herbs I often can fix this but I also still have downswings.

Do people who have Traumatic brain injuries have permanently effed up sleep? I recovered a lot first 3-4 months and then it sort of seems like it plateaued. Though I might be in a down swing right now and looking at things negatively. But not sure because mood wise I'm feeling pretty happy because I'm having a fun weekend.

I'm going tor each out to a psychiatrist that apparently offers spect scans that can actually show if I have a TBI which is what I suspected when I first crashed. I was having convulsions the first week of crashing as well as EXTREMELY painful headaches. felt like things were exploding in my head. super intense brain glutamate toxicity?

Don't want to poop on anybodys party but I've had spect scan, qeeq, evoke test... all show some type of irregularities with respect to brain frequency /power and some trauma in limbic area... that's not to say it can't heal obviously.. and maybe not everybody is affected the same way.. but I know my brain didn't get away unscathed

For sleep, neuro feedback infra low / alpha theta training was a miracle, that along with TM meditation.. I couldn't sleep for more than a few minutes at a time.. I'm basically normal now aside from a couple wakeups.. @bruschi11 is right though, bugs play a big role in sleep, because the immune system is basically in hypervigilant mode and that triggers cortisol etc.. this can crush your ability to sleep

salt baths also help relax the nervous system and at the same time discourage bugs

 

[MNK99]

Yeah no not saying scans won't show anything. I plan on getting some.

Not partying lol I was awake like 2 months that would kill most ppl but kind of normal for me (a bit worse than normal).

But*** those scans .. would it show insomnia, BP, PFS, or a TBI. Or a concussion from 21... Who knows.

Yeah I've gone thru a lot of injuries and stuff. I mean no one can say for sure.

Need radiology /neurologists to read those scans.

And for sure it is worth checking out.
But I do think it's beyond internet diagnosis. Same with a lot of my issues.

Pick a scan or choose to do it... And follow thru for peace of mind. That's what I'd do and have done (not recently) but I will again. Always better to be safe and take precautionary /active measures. For sure.

I have some issues that won't show up on any test and I was definitely not trying to say it's nothing or fasting or chelation will cure it... I do think it's *beyond TMO herbs tho*. But there's probably a myriad of things at play or at least it's hard to decipher what it is.

 

[talkingant]

@jacknap I recommend you try some intensive sleep hygiene methods such as I detail in this thread.

 

[jacknap]

thanks boys for the responses and I love you all. This community has really helped me along with swolesource to start living again. All my friends and family think i'm completely back to normal now just those two lingering issues are the worst. (tons of other symptoms too but i'm focusing on the biggies for now)

 

[jacknap]

Don't want to poop on anybodys party but I've had spect scan, qeeq, evoke test... all show some type of irregularities with respect to brain frequency /power and some trauma in limbic area... that's not to say it can't heal obviously.. and maybe not everybody is affected the same way.. but I know my brain didn't get away unscathed

For sleep, neuro feedback infra low / alpha theta training was a miracle, that along with TM meditation.. I couldn't sleep for more than a few minutes at a time.. I'm basically normal now aside from a couple wakeups.. @bruschi11 is right though, bugs play a big role in sleep, because the immune system is basically in hypervigilant mode and that triggers cortisol etc.. this can crush your ability to sleep

salt baths also help relax the nervous system and at the same time discourage bugs

you did neuro feedback eh? I meditate it helps a bit but it's not enough. neuro pricey though right?

 

[Ocguy]

you did neuro feedback eh? I meditate it helps a bit but it's not enough. neuro pricey though right?

Yea, about 150 a session.. I did 2 per week for a few months..

There was an infra low home unit I saw when doing some research years ago but can't for the life of me find it

You could try a brain stimulator like the fisher Wallace unit, it's 599.. but in recent years there have been many of those pop up, all using frequencues to train the brain to relax, performance etc.. I would do some heavy research / secondary searches looking for forums or sleep keyword combinations or on each one as u discover what's out there first

You can also look into the earth pulse magnetic sleep unit.. I have one, it helped but the neuro feedback was what really got it to stick, don't use neuroptimal though, its garbage.. infra low was the way to go..

In my case I know there was/is a nervous system disorder that works in concert with the brain, you may want to look into vagus nerve (parasympathetic) up regulation or sympathetic down regulation.. there are frequency units that focus on that as well.. or even some exercises and or yoga moves to address those in particular

Frequency specific microcurrent also helped me in healing.. look at the wellness pro, ptsd settings.. lots of frequency specific micro current boxes too out there.. takes time to research it all, but hopefully you have some starting points..

also another search tip... add keyword " Lyme" after your keyword searches.. lymies have tried everything (warriors, much like us and tons of overlap of what we're going thru.. yes there is a bug/ immune connection) but anyway, Google still will show discussions from forums.. harder though with Google censorship.. they've taken on a more corporate, typical western med bias.

 

[MNK99]

-Do you think Neurofeedback can help?
-Meant to ask you before. Also meant to try before. Do you see potential use for ADHD, cognition issues? Awkwardness/shyness - like missing cues sometimes, moving around too much, acting all jacked up? Pacing back and forth? Tests and rote memory? Driving? Remembering things like math and directions? @Ocguy
-Moods (related to insomnia but also otherwise)? --> not PFS, actually pretty bad ADHD and also a dual disorder... and both cause cognition problems that look the same but make each other worse (potentially worsened with lack of treatment, but stimulants help a ton*** but also hurt some other things). Mg and Stim = pretty close to perfect, and of course doing things I'm good at rather than forcing other things.
-Decision Making and reducing time to act.
-I practiced mental math and also: mental speed games a lot (much better at these, decent and very good at mental math at normal levels... at really advanced levels , not so much). Reaction time for speed tests, is amazing tho. --probably terrible last year tho. --Usually was very good.
-I thought this neurofeedback could help ADHD. -Also Speed-reading and scanning also (not the same) helps too. --Audiobooks and playing at 3-4 times the speed and taking notes, if needed. (self-made audiobooks) for things I do not want to read, but need to read or have deadlines for. (Converted using Calibre from say Kindle Azw4-->Azw3/4).

-Like my soft skills are very high, writing too usually. Memory for conversations, events, dates, etc. -- People at times. But* not names. And also: Econ, Math and Science would have been a breeze with better math skills... --> and not playing catch up (did 2 degrees and would have been 3 or changed programs, bc these were untreated/ pre pfs). Never ever want anything close to that to happen again (super stressful and demoralizing).
-From 19-22 probably didn't know what classes I had. Also after that. 16... started skipping class (advanced). 18 (normal), skipped and high 90's in finals (gr. 12).
_better grades end of econ than year 1 and 2 (but those are weeder classes ... easier/ you know more in later years). --Taught myself while skipping/ writing exams late.
-Accomodations were very helpful.. but kind of got them late, as I didn't know the exact issue until later yrs.

 

[Ocguy]

In the hands of a good practitioner I think neuro feedback could definitely help. when they hook you up and measure your brain activity they basically can shift the parts of your brain that are overly high powered to the low powered regions or vice versa and essentially balance you out.. it takes a bit of training to stick, but then they graduate you to a different program.. it's a process and again a skilled therapist is key..

After my training, my pool game when up a few notches and I dropped a few strokes on my golf game, was much more focused.. but not all of it sticks when u stop, kind of like weight training..

On the supplement side citicholine and ps100 is A very focused driven stack along with dmae or vinpocente. I would start with the first two though.. also, no need for supercharged nootropics, its overkill.

If you don't have time or money for neurofeedback I think those brain stimulators could help, And you could use it whenever. You might not need that much brain freq reorganizing. Focus and relaxation are pretty much what many of them are configured for..

also there are some brain game / training membership sites that may help..

 

[Pedro melo]

Ive been sleepong at 2 AM and waking up at 9 . bit not with a food feeling. I feel cramp and muscle contraction and a weird noise in my left ear. I remember to dream sometimes and have some night erections but I feel the quality of my sleep can improve drastically. I saw the protocol some of the things i already do. Helen said l theanine can help to calm me down.
My cortisol was high last time I checked. Any thoughts?

 

[Ocguy]

so since I crashed June 2 2017 from RU58441 (and possibly the cocktail of drugs that I used prior to the crash contributed as well; LSD, modafinil, phenibut, kratom)

It's a bit scary that even with aids this week I've only been able to get 6 hours then I can't get that last 3 hours. (I used to always sleep 9 hours and felt best like that).

If I maintain super strict sleep schedule and rotate herbs I often can fix this but I also still have downswings.

Do people who have Traumatic brain injuries have permanently effed up sleep? I recovered a lot first 3-4 months and then it sort of seems like it plateaued. Though I might be in a down swing right now and looking at things negatively. But not sure because mood wise I'm feeling pretty happy because I'm having a fun weekend.

I'm going tor each out to a psychiatrist that apparently offers spect scans that can actually show if I have a TBI which is what I suspected when I first crashed. I was having convulsions the first week of crashing as well as EXTREMELY painful headaches. felt like things were exploding in my head. super intense brain glutamate toxicity?

Forgot to mention, there are some serious horror stories from phenibut with respect to long term withdrawal, even from short term usage.. I would stay away from that bigtime

 

[Ocguy]

Ive been sleepong at 2 AM and waking up at 9 . bit not with a food feeling. I feel cramp and muscle contraction and a weird noise in my left ear. I remember to dream sometimes and have some night erections but I feel the quality of my sleep can improve drastically. I saw the protocol some of the things i already do. Helen said l theanine can help to calm me down.
My cortisol was high last time I checked. Any thoughts?

You're doing well with 7 hours.. I would start with salt baths.. I used to do Epsom salt but had I known then I would have used the sea salt baths at night. I believe @bruschi11 suggestion

https://www.amazon.com/Dead-Sea-War...&qid=1537041417&sr=1-7&keywords=dead+sea+salt

the high cortisol I've found (for me anyway) is usually a bug issue and your immune response, it's basically in fighting mode 24/7

 

[Pedro melo]

You're doing well with 7 hours.. I would start with salt baths.. I used to do Epsom salt but had I known then I would have used the sea salt baths at night. I believe @bruschi11 suggestion

https://www.amazon.com/Dead-Sea-War...&qid=1537041417&sr=1-7&keywords=dead+sea+salt

the high cortisol I've found (for me anyway) is usually a bug issue and your immune response, it's basically in fighting mode 24/7

So how to deal with hat high cortisol? Baths can help? Hot water with some sea salt or has to be specific salt ( dead salt or Epson?)

 

[Pedro melo]

So I need to fight gut first etc etc so can get rid of the bugs... Does the bath need to be done daily? Or sometimes a week?

 

[Ocguy]

So I need to fight gut first etc etc so can get rid of the bugs... Does the bath need to be done daily? Or sometimes a week?

Yea, gut definitely.. 2 to 3 times a week. I use two cups of salt minimum.. can add a cup of vinegar too , if u want to be aggressive.. after bath drink the fiber drink

 

[Pedro melo]

Yea, gut definitely.. 2 to 3 times a week. I use two cups of salt minimum.. can add a cup of vinegar too , if u want to be aggressive.. after bath drink the fiber drink

The fiber drink is that mix you havê in tour protocol right? OK bRO good stuff. How long does a salt bath takes? Usually you stay there for 10_/15 minutes to ser Benefits? Aple cider vinager correct and sea salt is OK ( the one we use in the kitchen)?

 

[Ocguy]

The fiber drink is that mix you havê in tour protocol right? OK bRO good stuff. How long does a salt bath takes? Usually you stay there for 10_/15 minutes to ser Benefits? Aple cider vinager correct and sea salt is OK ( the one we use in the kitchen)?

Yea the fiber drink, straight white vinegar is cheaper, will work fine.. I linked to the Amazon link for the BATH sea salt.. that is cheaper by the bucket vs the food sea salt, and yes roughly 20 min bath

 

[Niles]

I would honestly taper off of phenibut and see how that works for you. I used to use it once a week and didn't think gaba could be downregulated with such infrequent use, but my sleep became much better after having been off it for 1-2 months.