TubZy Log (cured)

[Jack17]

You did progesterone cycle with caber. It always increases your libido on a snapback.


Since high DHT person, has no sodium, and when you take progesterone that lowers your progesterone and then the snap back retains more sodium, especially if paired with cabergoline.


You can try anavar .but try it alone. I have no idea why you keep talking about var now if you did a complete opposite thing of var. YOu did progesterone plus caber. that is opposite of var. that always increased your libido before.



Try a good cycle on var alone. NO cabers, not nothing. not 2 days, in 2 days var does absolutely nothing for any case and see how you do. Var is not that strong to do anything at all within 2 days ))

We had people cylcle var for 2-3 weeks with high DHT, belikewater, also talkingant. They did not really see any improvements.

Belikewater had zero libido while on Var, talkingant also experienced no real libido on var. Those guys are with HIGH DHT levels. I am not sure about their snapback. you can ask talkingant.


Tubyz had lower DHT not high. And he experienced libido while on var , opposite of belikewater and talkingant.

I will likely do another round of Anavar with nothing else. Thanks! To clarify, I have done several rounds of progesterone with and without caber and it does help boost libido, and like I said, I actually thought this regimen was curing me as for several weeks (6-7 weeks) I thought I was essentially cured ( and I was taking absolutely nothing during this time) but symptoms slowly came back. My point is I know how I feel during and after progesterone and the Anavar did something in addition. What I mean is that it felt different. I also lost some weight quickly, felt pretty good but no libido until 5 days after I stopped. Iibido was like pre PFS. (again I know the results our clouded as I also did progesterone. And to be honest, I thought about Progesterone because of the Ella progesterone experiments (for me) help. And I thought you had mentioned testosterone would work with progesterone. Not positive about that. I realize the difference between T and DHT. ) So last week was a great week for me. I still feel better than pre Anavar trial but it may be wearing off a bit. Additional thoughts: If DHT is high then androgen receptors may be down regulated or up regulated and insensitive to DHT. I thought there was a trial testing foreskin in PFS and it showed upregulation of androgen receptor. So if Anavar stimulates the AR differently (competitive agonist), maybe this could modulate the receptor to work better ( down regulate or improve sensitivity to DHT. If that is possible, I would think even short courses of Anavar may help as this could be a dynamic process. This is just my opinion and I don't mean to offend you if you believe this is off base in you opinion.

 

[Helen]

I will likely do another round of Anavar with nothing else. Thanks! To clarify, I have done several rounds of progesterone with and without caber and it does help boost libido, and like I said, I actually thought this regimen was curing me as for several weeks (6-7 weeks) I thought I was essentially cured ( and I was taking absolutely nothing during this time) but symptoms slowly came back. My point is I know how I feel during and after progesterone and the Anavar did something in addition. What I mean is that it felt different. I also lost some weight quickly, felt pretty good but no libido until 5 days after I stopped. Iibido was like pre PFS. (again I know the results our clouded as I also did progesterone. And to be honest, I thought about Progesterone because of the Ella progesterone experiments (for me) help. And I thought you had mentioned testosterone would work with progesterone. Not positive about that. I realize the difference between T and DHT. ) So last week was a great week for me. I still feel better than pre Anavar trial but it may be wearing off a bit. Additional thoughts: If DHT is high then androgen receptors may be down regulated or up regulated and insensitive to DHT. I thought there was a trial testing foreskin in PFS and it showed upregulation of androgen receptor. So if Anavar stimulates the AR differently (competitive agonist), maybe this could modulate the receptor to work better ( down regulate or improve sensitivity to DHT. If that is possible, I would think even short courses of Anavar may help as this could be a dynamic process. This is just my opinion and I don't mean to offend you if you believe this is off base in you opinion.

I agree we need more trials. but please run anavar clean and for longer and see what happens to you.

We need to see if anavar causes any kinds of snap back. in people with high DHT



So please if you could test it alone and let us know if anything happens.

Actually I made a mistake talkingant had low DHT, but I guess that is because lack of b vitamins. Free test was high, so the body wanted DHT conversion

 

[Slayo]

A bit off topic.

In slow oxidosers many times we see high zinc on hair test, while on fast oxi it never happens, dr Wilson and othe practitioners say that the reason for this high zinc is that the body increases zinc to protect himself from metals toxicity, but this story doesn't convince me.
I think that the real reason is that the body makes zinc biounavailable to decrease carbonic anhydrase in order to retain more co2, this is why zinc alone for slow oxi is a death sentence (besides increasing progesterone that will block aldo and so decrease sodium).

Your thoughts @Helen ?

 

[brix]

A bit off topic.

In slow oxidosers many times we see high zinc on hair test, while on fast oxi it never happens, dr Wilson and othe practitioners say that the reason for this high zinc is that the body increases zinc to protect himself from metals toxicity, but this story doesn't convince me.
I think that the real reason is that the body makes zinc biounavailable to decrease carbonic anhydrase in order to retain more co2, this is why zinc alone for slow oxi is a death sentence (besides increasing progesterone that will block aldo and so decrease sodium).

Your thoughts @Helen ?

I feel like most here high zinc and low copper. I’m a fast oxidizer and my zinc/cu ratio is maxed out on the graph. Not sure what it means

 

[BeLikeWater]

it was like 1.5 weeks after stopping. My libido is still good just not as many erections while on var. My energy and and overall mood is a bit wonky, kinda up and down still. The B1 def helps with energy and mood though, but if I overdo it gets too stimulating. Yes, liver enzymes did go up a bit, I was also drinking a few times during cycle too, but I'm sure var did elevate them a bit. Cholesterol prob doesn't look that good TBH considering I didn't really start off in the best shape to begin with, I kind of don't want to see it right now lol. The two major sides of var is lipids and liver values, I was doing 20mg a day, but 10mg a day is prob plenty, maybe even less if you can get like 5mg. I just have the pure powder so measuring out 2.5mg or 5mg is like literally nothing and super hard. The odd thing is I had no suppression on cycle as you can see from test and LH levels in which I thought they would be hit the hardest given the study done on 15mg.

I did had no supression post cycle, did you higher cortisol pre cycle? Im going to test myself before and after my next cyle.

 

[BeLikeWater]

You did progesterone cycle with caber. It always increases your libido on a snapback.


Since high DHT person, has no sodium, and when you take progesterone that lowers your progesterone and then the snap back retains more sodium, especially if paired with cabergoline.


You can try anavar .but try it alone. I have no idea why you keep talking about var now if you did a complete opposite thing of var. YOu did progesterone plus caber. that is opposite of var. that always increased your libido before.



Try a good cycle on var alone. NO cabers, not nothing. not 2 days, in 2 days var does absolutely nothing for any case and see how you do. Var is not that strong to do anything at all within 2 days ))

We had people cylcle var for 2-3 weeks with high DHT, belikewater, also talkingant. They did not really see any improvements.

Belikewater had zero libido while on Var, talkingant also experienced no real libido on var. Those guys are with HIGH DHT levels. I am not sure about their snapback. you can ask talkingant.


Tubyz had lower DHT not high. And he experienced libido while on var , opposite of belikewater and talkingant.

The first days in Anavar I actually exoerience libido good one and had the best sexxion since finasteride, the low libido was at the end of the cycle.

 

[Jack17]

The first days in Anavar I actually exoerience libido good one and had the best sexxion since finasteride, the low libido was at the end of the cycle.

Did you have any snap back after anavar regarding libido?? Meaning are you at all Better after anavar than before?

 

[Jack17]

I agree we need more trials. but please run anavar clean and for longer and see what happens to you.

We need to see if anavar causes any kinds of snap back. in people with high DHT



So please if you could test it alone and let us know if anything happens.

Actually I made a mistake talkingant had low DHT, but I guess that is because lack of b vitamins. Free test was high, so the body wanted DHT conversion

Yea, noticed that too. Thanks!

 

[Trump_1776]

This is from what we have seen so far:

high DHT people from what I have seen are slow oxidizers. they feel cured on cortisol.supps. they are opposite of anavar people. ( who feel cured on anavar like tubzy, ihatefin.)) . Belikewater , talkingant , those guys did not have libido on anavar. Probably because they are high DHT people.

May be these groups do better on snap backs after they quit anvar. Although talkingant did not report any improvements after he quit .


Slow oxidizers( high DHT people ) run on adrenaline, and thus lose sodium, thus DHT is high. since these people have no aldosterone action. and DHT increases aldosterone.

May be these people would react to vitamin b1 plus huge sodium load.( we are trying it out now)


Cortisol can also cure these people ,but the dosages has to be found . Since if you take too much cortisol you just go from slow oxidizers problems into fast oxidizers problems.

people need to find such a dose of cortisol, very very low and slowly raise it until they feel totally cured,

then stay on this dosage for 2 months and then quit. And body will learn how to live on this amount of cortisol

this is why there were cases on propecia forum when person cured himself with dexamethasone.( you might read about it)


Unfornunately progesterone wastes more sodium while increasing cortisol. this is why it does not hold.

When sodium is retained. body will lower DHT , since DHT increases aldosterone.


When sodium goes up , this will decrease adrenaline need and conversions of dopamine into noradrenaline and adrenaline will go down. Thus prolactin will automatically fall.

And since adrenaline will go down, fatty acids in blood will go down, so the body will have to convert progesterone into cortisol to get sugar into blood, since fatty acids are down now.


As of now people with high DHT simply have too much adrenaline , and thus too many fatty acids in blood. And this stops progesterone into cortisol conversions.

since cortisol is simply not needed. The body feeds on fat.

Another possible cure for these people will be 3 grams of niacin a day. this will stop adrenaline production.




I am trying this with 2 people now. IF this works I will write it all out.

Niacin makes me red as fuck boi

 

[gaivs]

I agree we need more trials. but please run anavar clean and for longer and see what happens to you.

We need to see if anavar causes any kinds of snap back. in people with high DHT



So please if you could test it alone and let us know if anything happens.

Actually I made a mistake talkingant had low DHT, but I guess that is because lack of b vitamins. Free test was high, so the body wanted DHT conversion

I'm doing a cycle with oxandrolone, 20mg/day. I'm on the 14th day. Don't know if I stop or continue. Day 1 was very good, clearness of mind, feeling of relaxation, confidence and libido. Day 2-7, not very good, but not bad, libido was low, and I was feeling sleepy at noon after the dose at morning, but the relaxation, clearness of mind and confidence was still present. Had some headaches at morning also. Day 8-12 was the best, all things improved. I thougth I was being cured. Libido kicked in and started to improve slowly but steady. But suddenly on day 13 I had a drop in libido and other things, and some anorexia, I tried to insist one more day but I think this is enough, I'm not feeling improvement anymore and I'm afraid to lose the benefits.

 

[Jack17]

I'm doing a cycle with oxandrolone, 20mg/day. I'm on the 14th day. Don't know if I stop or continue. Day 1 was very good, clearness of mind, feeling of relaxation, confidence and libido. Day 2-7, not very good, but not bad, libido was low, and I was feeling sleepy at noon after the dose at morning, but the relaxation, clearness of mind and confidence was still present. Had some headaches at morning also. Day 8-12 was the best, all things improved. I thougth I was being cured. Libido kicked in and started to improve slowly but steady. But suddenly on day 13 I had a drop in libido and other things, and some anorexia, I tried to insist one more day but I think this is enough, I'm not feeling improvement anymore and I'm afraid to lose the benefits.

I was reading your threads. You have higher testosterone and DHT correct? How did your Ella trial end up?

 

[TubZy]

I'm doing a cycle with oxandrolone, 20mg/day. I'm on the 14th day. Don't know if I stop or continue. Day 1 was very good, clearness of mind, feeling of relaxation, confidence and libido. Day 2-7, not very good, but not bad, libido was low, and I was feeling sleepy at noon after the dose at morning, but the relaxation, clearness of mind and confidence was still present. Had some headaches at morning also. Day 8-12 was the best, all things improved. I thougth I was being cured. Libido kicked in and started to improve slowly but steady. But suddenly on day 13 I had a drop in libido and other things, and some anorexia, I tried to insist one more day but I think this is enough, I'm not feeling improvement anymore and I'm afraid to lose the benefits.

that sounds very similar to my experience expect I never had a drop in anything, things just got better as time went on near the time you said as well (day 10-14). However, I did get some headaches and mild insomnia but that is prob from the adrenaline, it didn't really bother me. Do you have blood test pre var of your hormones and stuff?

 

[Jack17]

that sounds very similar to my experience expect I never had a drop in anything, things just got better as time went on near the time you said as well (day 10-14). However, I did get some headaches and mild insomnia but that is prob from the adrenaline, it didn't really bother me. Do you have blood test pre var of your hormones and stuff?

How did you do/ feel post Anavar? Did you have snap back? Did the improvements stick? I'm planning to start a course of Anavar but I'm holding off because I did two days of Anavar two weeks ago and I still feel better, libido wise than before Anavar.

 

[Helen]

How did you do/ feel post Anavar? Did you have snap back? Did the improvements stick? I'm planning to start a course of Anavar but I'm holding off because I did two days of Anavar two weeks ago and I still feel better, libido wise than before Anavar.

Jack. how can he have a snap back ,if he felt good on var. Snap back is when you lose libido on something and then gain it.

In Boris's case he had a lot more libido on var. And then off var it leveled back down.

In belikewater's case , he had low libido on var and then libido came back to what it was prevar, but he slightly noticed better depression.



You need to cycle this alone to know if var helps you or not. Since you always were helped with progesterone and taking progesterone increases cortisol in you, so when cortisol increased you feel more dht. that is what progesterone does.


We talked to Boris, and I and him we felt terrible on cortisol supplements. but people like belikewater felt totally cured on cortisol supplements

this is why boris felt great on var since var blocked his cortisol while on var. And belikewater felt like shit on var, since he does good on cortisol

 

[Jack17]

Jack. how can he have a snap back ,if he felt good on var. Snap back is when you lose libido on something and then gain it.

In Boris's case he had a lot more libido on var. And then off var it leveled back down.

In belikewater's case , he had low libido on var and then libido came back to what it was prevar, but he slightly noticed better depression.



You need to cycle this alone to know if var helps you or not. Since you always were helped with progesterone and taking progesterone increases cortisol in you, so when cortisol increased you feel more dht. that is what progesterone does.


We talked to Boris, and I and him we felt terrible on cortisol supplements. but people like belikewater felt totally cured on cortisol supplements

this is why boris felt great on var since var blocked his cortisol while on var. And belikewater felt like shit on var, since he does good on cortisol

Right! I am really just trying to find out if anyone has had continued improvement in libido after the Anavar course. Do you have an opinion regarding Light at the end and the other guys on propecia help board? It seemed like several guys were cured cycling progesterone.

 

[Troy]

Jack. how can he have a snap back ,if he felt good on var. Snap back is when you lose libido on something and then gain it.

In Boris's case he had a lot more libido on var. And then off var it leveled back down.

In belikewater's case , he had low libido on var and then libido came back to what it was prevar, but he slightly noticed better depression.



You need to cycle this alone to know if var helps you or not. Since you always were helped with progesterone and taking progesterone increases cortisol in you, so when cortisol increased you feel more dht. that is what progesterone does.


We talked to Boris, and I and him we felt terrible on cortisol supplements. but people like belikewater felt totally cured on cortisol supplements

this is why boris felt great on var since var blocked his cortisol while on var. And belikewater felt like shit on var, since he does good on cortisol

I think we might be focusing on the wrong things.

It’s clear we are all over methylating. The hair tests all show this.

The question is how do we get the methylation to slow down and what is causing this.

 

[brix]

I think we might be focusing on the wrong things.

It’s clear we are all over methylating. The hair tests all show this.

The question is how do we get the methylation to slow down and what is causing this.

What do you look for in a HTMA for methylation?

 

[Helen]

Right! I am really just trying to find out if anyone has had continued improvement in libido after the Anavar course. Do you have an opinion regarding Light at the end and the other guys on propecia help board? It seemed like several guys were cured cycling progesterone.

Yes, progesterone pushes 5AR. and cortisol enzyme. So when you quit progesterone ,you end up with higher cortisol and higher DHT.

This is why I keep telling you to try anavar and see if does anything to you at all.

Since in your case if you cycle progesterone for 3 days. you will feel a lot more than cycling it for 12 days, since in 3 days, progesterone does not suppress you yet

 

[Helen]

I think we might be focusing on the wrong things.

It’s clear we are all over methylating. The hair tests all show this.

The question is how do we get the methylation to slow down and what is causing this.

I wrote many times what causes this , to slow down methylation NIACIN


Body is producing more adrenaline( methylation ) in slow oxidizer

Only in your case you have high cortisol.

 

[Troy]

I wrote many times what causes this , to slow down methylation NIACIN


Body is producing more adrenaline( methylation ) in slow oxidizer

Only in your case you have high cortisol.

So what do I do?