VERY BAD NEWS (DHT, Fibrosis, Scars,DMSO, Moles, NO, B1, B2)

[TubZy]

This is very interesting. I have a lot of moles on my body. When I megadosed zinc the old ones remained but the old ones didnt go away. Does this mean I'm still Copper toxic? How much b2 is needed per day for this?

Same during fin, i had one or two small moles pop up, almost positive it was from copper toxicity

 

[supernature]

Iron causes red , cherry angiomas. and copper can cause different moles.

This is why high dose b2 for instance got rid of many moles , so did high dose b1.

one by chelating copper and one by chelating iron

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[Orion]

Potassium softens vascular endothelium and increases nitric oxide release


You need to support potassium , since steroids waste potassium. without potassium - ZERO nitric oxide release, since NO is a duaretic.


If you have such crazy scarring and stuff, my advice, supports your electrolytes, and follow and take advice from @Orion

he is post accutane and doing good.

@Orion Help your buddy accutane sufferer here/


Nitric oxide protocol is just castrated electrolytes protocol. I think it is best for you to follow the electrolytes protocol, so you get hydrated well again and so yourbody can start restoring the tissue, and increase CO2 and nitric oxide ,


PEOPLE need to realize . STEROIDS waste potassium , should never be taken EVER unless you want to dry out, and age.

Steroids will always age you. Will always make you live much shorter life it is inevitable

The reason why steroids go down with age, POTASSIUM DEFICIENCY .

Potassium will allow LH to go up. Potassium,Testosterone & Muscle - Testosterone Studies

Since when steroids go up, then estrogen retains CALCIUM and DHT SODIUM.

@hopeforrecovery B1 B2 and potassium seem to be the key for destroying accutane sides.

High dose B1 for dry skin/eyes (broken sugar metabolism)
High dose B2 for oily skin (broken fat metabolism)

Potassium for all the reasons listed above.

I did 30grams per day KCl for about a week, worked slowly up to that for a couple first beforehand. The snapback comes in the weeks later, when you stop.

Here is the stack that gets all the Bs activated by B2, shift b1 and b2 up or down depending on sugar/fat metabolism:

B1: 400mg, B2: 1000mg, B3: 250mg, B5: 500mg, B6: 100mg, Folate: 1000mcg, B12: 50mcg, Biotin: 50mcg

Getting B2 replete can take weeks at high dose.

 

[Minime]

@hopeforrecovery B1 B2 and potassium seem to be the key for destroying accutane sides.

High dose B1 for dry skin/eyes (broken sugar metabolism)
High dose B2 for oily skin (broken fat metabolism)

Potassium for all the reasons listed above.

I did 30grams per day KCl for about a week, worked slowly up to that for a couple first beforehand. The snapback comes in the weeks later, when you stop.

Here is the stack that gets all the Bs activated by B2, shift b1 and b2 up or down depending on sugar/fat metabolism:

B1: 400mg, B2: 1000mg, B3: 250mg, B5: 500mg, B6: 100mg, Folate: 1000mcg, B12: 50mcg, Biotin: 50mcg

Getting B2 replete can take weeks at high dose.

So KCl is probably a 3 week process where the third week is 30 grams per day, after building up for the first two weeks. For the B stack, you took everything listed from day one? How long do you take the B stack for (how can you tell when B2 is replete)?
One of my Accutane sides...extremely dry eyes...seemed to diminish with my PFS crash. But I think I may try this B stack and potassium approach. I have very low potassium per my hair analysis. Are there negative sides while doing this protocol?

 

[Area-1255]

I really would like to hear @Area-1255 's opinion about my situation. If he thinks if i should go on with the DHT and if the DHT could also help for my scarring inside the penis?

Also if Nitric Oxide could help?

You should continue the DHT. Add an Aldosterone blocker. Try KSM-66 & L-Lysine!

 

[Crashing]

https://imgur.com/U788qTK

And this is what i used on penis. Little spider veins have dissapeared but the larger ones are still there, altho i wasnt too consistent with usage.

can you please give us the links to purchase each product?

Same during fin, i had one or two small moles pop up, almost positive it was from copper toxicity

wait, I have copper toxicity. Is that because of finasteride as well???

You should continue the DHT. Add an Aldosterone blocker. Try KSM-66 & L-Lysine!

Isn't Lysine going to kill the Arginine and hence the NO production? Or there's a trick, like taking citrulline malate along with lysine? At what level do they compete? Absorption? Or later?

 

[jacknap]

Same during fin, i had one or two small moles pop up, almost positive it was from copper toxicity

I got an ulcer in my mouth that never healed after taking RU (after using a rhodiola tincture) that has never recovered. under my tongue. one big one and a small one. pimp sized

 

[Crashing]

From: Peripheral Cannabinoid-1 Receptor Inverse Agonism Reduces Obesity by Reversing Leptin Resistance

JD5037 is a cannabinoid receptor CB1 antagonist that doesn't cross the brain blood barrier.

Previous CB1 antagonists had severe neurological side effects, including suicidal ideation. This one should not affect the brain at all.

I believe this would have a huge potential to revert fibrosis and help with Peyronie's.

@Area-1255 : how much would this cost to synthesize?

 

[Helen]

Actually ANAVAR is used for burns, scarring, just because ANAVAR blocks action of DHT. ANAVAR is used in medicine to regenerate the tissue))

It blocks AR and blocks CORTISOL. receptors. So aldosterone and cortisol are blocked. This raises potassium in the cell and increases Nitric oxide and regenerates the tissue

ANAVAR blocks aldosterone and cortisol. since it blocks the AR and GR.



Oxandrolone for Management of Hypercatabolism in Severe Burns

Reduced Postburn Hypertrophic Scarring and Improved... : Annals of Surgery

 

[Jaxx]

Actually ANAVAR is used for burns, scarring, just because ANAVAR blocks action of DHT. ANAVAR is used in medicine to regenerate the tissue))

It blocks AR and blocks CORTISOL. receptors. So aldosterone and cortisol are blocked. This raises potassium in the cell and increases Nitric oxide and regenerates the tissue

ANAVAR blocks aldosterone and cortisol. since it blocks the AR and GR.



Oxandrolone for Management of Hypercatabolism in Severe Burns

Reduced Postburn Hypertrophic Scarring and Improved... : Annals of Surgery

Im confused, wasnt it an AR agonist?

 

[Helen]

Im confused, wasnt it an AR agonist?

yes, agonist, weaker than DHT. binds receptors and blocks it.

 

[tanedout]

@hopeforrecovery B1 B2 and potassium seem to be the key for destroying accutane sides.

High dose B1 for dry skin/eyes (broken sugar metabolism)
High dose B2 for oily skin (broken fat metabolism)

Potassium for all the reasons listed above.

I did 30grams per day KCl for about a week, worked slowly up to that for a couple first beforehand. The snapback comes in the weeks later, when you stop.

Here is the stack that gets all the Bs activated by B2, shift b1 and b2 up or down depending on sugar/fat metabolism:

B1: 400mg, B2: 1000mg, B3: 250mg, B5: 500mg, B6: 100mg, Folate: 1000mcg, B12: 50mcg, Biotin: 50mcg

Getting B2 replete can take weeks at high dose.

How are you feeling Orion? Did you see fairly immediate benefits from higher B1 in your case? I've just ordered some B2 which I'll add alongside a B-complex. I'm in the oily skin category, and I seem to definitely have some sort of issues with fatty acid metabolism.

I was really interested to see what Helen said in another thread involving B2 as well - bearing in mind I consistently have high DHT, high cortisol and low potassium;

you have high DHT, high DHT releases aldosterone,. So you might have high aldo.

this high aldo kills potassium. This is why progesterone rises, to support extra potassium absorption. since progesterone rises, cortisol falls.

VAR by being weaker than DHT, blocks AR receptor this lowers aldosterone since you have less action of DHT.. as aldo falls down, potassium goes up and progesterone converts into cortisol since less of it needed since aldo fell.

I saw high progest and high aldo on Shadows bloods.

Usually b2, lowers 5AR. this causes lower DHT. , this lowers aldo. body retains potassium. and progesterone converts into cortisol and allopregnenolone.

IF someone is wasting potassium , progesterone wil never get converted into allo since it is needed/

 

[Orion]

How are you feeling Orion? Did you see fairly immediate benefits from higher B1 in your case? I've just ordered some B2 which I'll add alongside a B-complex. I'm in the oily skin category, and I seem to definitely have some sort of issues with fatty acid metabolism.

I was really interested to see what Helen said in another thread involving B2 as well - bearing in mind I consistently have high DHT, high cortisol and low potassium;

I tried B1 up too 1600mg/day for experimentation(since accutane severely depletes B1), but since I believe I have more fat metabolism issues(excessive oily skin), it wasn't until I went to 1000mg of B2/day that I started to see good results(along with B1 at a lower 400mg/day), its taken weeks of B2-1000mg to start seeing results. It takes along time to get B2 levels up even on massive doses. Once B2 goes up it activates some of the other B's.

 

[Orion]

So KCl is probably a 3 week process where the third week is 30 grams per day, after building up for the first two weeks. For the B stack, you took everything listed from day one? How long do you take the B stack for (how can you tell when B2 is replete)?
One of my Accutane sides...extremely dry eyes...seemed to diminish with my PFS crash. But I think I may try this B stack and potassium approach. I have very low potassium per my hair analysis. Are there negative sides while doing this protocol?

High dose KCl could be dangerous, so ya just go slowly and work your way up. I used MgCl(~1gram) and NaCl(~3grams) with it. My only negative symptoms was feeling quite wired, like very high cortisol, and sleep that was not super restful.

If possible put the high dose KCl in water and sip during the whole day.

My B stack has change frequently, and just jumped in at high dose. But B2 at 1000mg is a sweet spot right now. I think you will need more B1 then B2, try 1000mg B1, it can take a few weeks for things to start happening. Accutane does cause severe B1 depletion.

 

[TubZy]

can you please give us the links to purchase each product?



wait, I have copper toxicity. Is that because of finasteride as well???



Isn't Lysine going to kill the Arginine and hence the NO production? Or there's a trick, like taking citrulline malate along with lysine? At what level do they compete? Absorption? Or later?

Yes most likely, fin raises estrogen

 

[SwaZ]

@Crashing
I ordered everything except dmso from a company that sells cosmetic products and raw materialls.
Unfortunately they only operate within country.

 

[TubZy]

Moles???
God damn im buying a 1 kilo batch of dmso then lol
I got a shitload of moles on my body, they just pop out of nowhere, honestly i am getting scared a little about so many of them.

I read ray peat got a mole on his chin from putting some copper solution there.

@Helen sorry to be bothering you about this again, but please do you know anything that causes moles. Copper? Pufa?

Yeah check it out seems most people get rid of them with DMSO or hydrogen peroxide too

 

[SwaZ]

Yeah check it out seems most people get rid of them with DMSO or hydrogen peroxide too

Im gonna give that a shot. I got some leftover dmso in the bottle and after that il get some hydrogen peroxide.I will focus on a single mole for now to keep track of results.
Il maybe add b2 to it too. Only b2 in powder i found is from a cosmetic company that sells it for colouring and rosacea treatment. 10 grams for about 9 dollars, so as soon as i get it im trying it out!

 

[Area-1255]

@hopeforrecovery, how 'we doing on this Gel???

 

[Area-1255]

I havent tried it myself. Read about it a long time ago when i thought my hard flaccid was scarring.

Nope - most of the time that's just High Adrenaline.