WARNING( STOP RANDOMLY USING RU< CABERGOLINES< DHT CYRPO or any end metabolism products like l DOPA SSRI, MAOI etc) , ONLY WITH TESTS

[Helen]

These should be used only if you understand what you are doing. and test yourself.






YOU need to realize that prolactin is there to retain calcium. After sex it goes up to get calcium, since you lost it with sperm

Same as prolactin goes up during pregnancy to retain more calcium for milk.


It is idiotic people use cabergoline and then expect to get better. If you had low calcium, and you used caber, you will get fucked, since you will upregulate your dopamine , and will be just calcium deficient FOR A LONG TIME

Prolactin lowering drugs should be used only if you have high calcium in urine and high calcium in blood. IN this case prolactin is raised wrongfully. In cases where people have low urine calcium and high blood, prolactin is DOING GOOD JOB retaining calcium , since body is asking for it.


STOP USING DRUGS< STOP Using end products like L-DOPA etc / what is it going to fix. you take it you bypass all the regulations and then when you come off you will have lower dopamine. than before.

This FORUM was created to have a bunch of people trying certain things. We are long past RU and all other drugs.


We are trying things now with anavar etc. But until succesful no one should be on it, either.


We pick well tested people to put on things. But then i see poor people who have very little testing and just go on shit like RU< like caber. thinking they can regulate hormones with them. Playing God and fucking themselves up.




Nitric oxide protocol is taken by Tallglass, I wrote in hairloss section, about it, and that protocol is completely different, it has SODS, it has glutathione components as main component.

Just by creating NO you create oxidative stress, and that is why it is SWITCHED OFF. SO to turn it back on , you need to kill oxidative stress , and not just feed Arginine.



No one follows electrolytes protocol, but people try to follow easy protocol , THEY DONT WORK> you have to know your case and everything about you , to use 2-3 supplements.


WE are close to writing out all the cases here, but you just keep fucking yourself up with drugs, and creating new imbalances in yourself

For some reason people think that adjusting dopamine receptors is just walking in the park and should be just done with no sides and no problems. THIS IS RIDICULOUS.


UNTIL WE figure things out. you should never use END PRODUCTS of metabolism and NEVER USE drugs. that adjust shit. NEVER


I see some people take RU with having hashimoto. FUCKING RIDICULOUS



If you want to help yourself , meanwhile use things that are present in your body, but ARE NOT END PRODUCTS of metabolism.

You can use b vitamins, C , E , A, minerals, fats, etc. These things if you fuck yourself up with them , body can easily get rid of them

But things like Caber, RU, other receptor things with pharmaceutical drugs. THOSE changes can stay in you for a LONG TIME> and if you fuck yourself up , you can stay fucked up for a long time.


I see people with obviously no clue in biochemstry or just even supplements, no clue in mineral balancing. Go on drugs,


If you only took FIN, then when I come up and write out the cases, you have a chance to be fixed.

but if you took like 10 things already, after fin. like caber like this or that. NOTHING will help you, since you are already in a complete different body chemistry.

This is why for new people for people who know very little, your only chance is to follow what works for other people

OR just follow TEI>



UNTIL we figure out things with hormonal ROUTE> Please Please DONT take end products of metabolism. or DRUGS.



The only chance people have now is TEI. TEI knows more than you ,me , and area times 1000000. They are trying to individually fix you.

And people constantly just read one study or listen to Area. or haidut, or me, or some other advice


You need to understand these people dont know anything about regulation of the body. They read studies, and then try to get the picture of regulation in their head. But this picture is so WEAK that it cant be used it does not take into account ANYTHING.

at most it takes into account 2-3 interactions leaving another 20 out.




This is why I put people on drugs like anavar now, with having tests and we actually test thing while on anavar, and while off anavar.

Making sure that everything works as we wanted it to work



PEOPLE WITHOUT TESTS SHOULD NOT TAKE ANYTHING AT ALL/ no separate minerals no separate aminos, NOTHING.

you cant try to take everything together, and hope the body balances itself, but not separate things.


Without TESTs - you fast. you take everything together.


RU and drugs can help in certain cases, but you are taking a huge risk, to be a wrong case.

 

[health]

I wholeheartedly agree - RU didn't help me at all. It's not nearly as simple as LOWER PROGESTERONE = BIGGER DICK.
I think for 95% of us here it's either:

1) fasting
2) TEI
3) Electrolyte Protocol
4) Nitric Oxide Protocol

 

[Helen]

I wholeheartedly agree - RU didn't help me at all. It's not nearly as simple as LOWER PROGESTERONE = BIGGER DICK.
I think for 95% of us here it's either:

1) fasting
2) TEI
3) Electrolyte Protocol
4) Nitric Oxide Protocol

you are PSSD< what RU for you?


Follow closely what we are trying out with barbaar and Talkingant. talkingant is taking anavar for PSSD now. so we will see how he does.

 

[snowball]

Ella/Ru helped me with digestion, gave pre-fin days for a short time however aggravated issues such as bloating. So difficult to say how much baseline improvement I saw.

TEI is possibly the best solution so far - got results and starting supps.

 

[Jaxx]

I don’t entirely agree man. For the vitamins/elements, yes. But things like prami have helped, even cured some people with pssd. There is no clear case when to use this or not.
If Anavar becomes a first choice to try, great, but we still know little if it works for everyone and which dose makes sense.
As for MAOIs, I think it is fundamentally different than ssri’s and is helping me great with daily functioning, my guess is through cortisol modulation. Then again I am not hopping protocols as some here

 

[Helen]

Ella/Ru helped me with digestion, gave pre-fin days for a short time however aggravated issues such as bloating. So difficult to say how much baseline improvement I saw.

TEI is possibly the best solution so far - got results and starting supps.

Yes for some people RU and Ella give some improvements, but for others it is a disaster.

And just imagine some dude, who is totally clueless in any medical stuff, take RU, gets fucked, and then suffers, I hate seeing this .

IF RU fixed someone on this forum totally, ( i know people did not cycle it long enough) then it would be worth the risk I guess.

but minor improvements, and people just go on it anyway.



We are very close to solving this for all cases, all people have to do is keep stable and dont get fucked up in the meantime.

 

[Helen]

I don’t entirely agree man. For the vitamins/elements, yes. But things like prami have helped, even cured some people with pssd. There is no clear case when to use this or not.
If Anavar becomes a first choice to try, great, but we still know little if it works for everyone and which dose makes sense.
As for MAOIs, I think it is fundamentally different than ssri’s and is helping me great with daily functioning, my guess is through cortisol modulation.

Yes for some case it is good, and as I told you in PSSD you have wrongfully elevated prolactin.

Using prami for that is not a cure. But it does help the situation. And It is understandable why. Now try to give this to someone with low prolactin.


I am not saying anything about anavar being any choice now.

 

[Helen]

@Jaxx People need to follow protocols only if they helped more than one person. So if some drug, helped more than one person, yes, it probably is worth it to take a risk


MAOI just increase your serotonin and dopamine and lower prolactin. lower prolactin lowers calcium absorbtion.

This lower calcium stop inhibiting thyroid , metabolism is increased. and progesterone is not needed, thus it converts to cortisol. This does not modulate any cortisol .

question is, what happens when you quit MAOI if MAO stays inhibited or semi inhibited if taking MAOI will downregulate MAIO after quitting the drugs, then IT IS Excellent.

I think in PSSD MAO is induced. and if using an inhibitor of MAOI, if it stops that induction it is the CURE


In PSSD, prolactin is wrongfully raised, As I stated to you already 3 times.

How did I come to this conclusion, I said that from the start.

But Barbaar tests show this very well.

 

[Jaxx]

Yes for some case it is good, and as I told you in PSSD you have wrongfully elevated prolactin.

Using prami for that is not a cure. But it does help the situation. And It is understandable why. Now try to give this to someone with low prolactin.

Or using MAOI. try to go off it now. and see what happens.

I am not saying anything about anavar being any choice now.

Well most have normal prolactin readings to begin with, so i doubt the prami is only adressing that. But yes for some it did seem to do very little, others got a better baseline after getting off. I honestly see it as a relatively safe option to try.
As for maoi, i dont see it as a fix, but it helps (non sexual) functioning. I do understand your part about people fucking themselves up, but at the same time most accept the risk. Especially since the cases are not (yet) clear. They can be too eager yes, but in the end we only move forward by trialing stuff, preferably in a smart and educated manner.
It makes alot more sense than healthy teenagers taking hormones like an addict imho

 

[Helen]

Well most have normal prolactin readings to begin with, so i doubt the prami is only adressing that. But yes for some it did seem to do very little, others got a better baseline after getting off. I honestly see it as a relatively safe option to try.
As for maoi, i dont see it as a fix, but it helps (non sexual) functioning. I do understand your part about people fucking themselves up, but at the same time most accept the risk. Especially since the cases are not (yet) clear. They can be too eager yes, but in the end we only move forward by trialing stuff, preferably in a smart and educated manner.
It makes alot more sense than healthy teenagers taking hormones like an addict imho

Read my previous message


As I told prolactin has to be low not normal in this situation

 

[Jaxx]

Read my previous message


As I told prolactin has to be low not normal in this situation

Give me a sec you edited stuff i see

 

[Helen]

@Jaxx, what are you even talking about.

People dont realize risks. AT ALL. they keep taking RU with hashimoto.

did RU fix one case of PFS, NO , what is the reason to take it.


If Prami fixed one case of PSSD< then it makes a lot more sense, does not it

If would be good if it worked for other people , but it did not.

 

[Helen]

@Jaxx

From Barbaar tests. If you look at them, it is obvious that the body is retaining more calcium than needed. Prolactin is higher than needed.

this is why you have higher calcium in blood and high calcium URINE loss


What this leads to , is this calcium blocks thyroid hormones entrance, and PROGESTERONE IS RAISED to provide extra potassium to buffer this. This is why you see potassium very very low in urine, and higher in blood, Body is trying to retain it.

this high progesterone gets rid of SODIUM. since progesterone is a sodium duaretic. THUS you see SODIUM increased like crazy in the urine.


I assume this happens, this MAO is breaking down serotonin and dopamine too much. It is upregulated.

And thus we see very low b2 levels.


IF MAOI inhibitor can downregulate MAO permanently , meaning it actually chelates copper. from the enzyme.

Then IT IS A CURE for PSSD.


I am not sure what is the action of MAOI. how does it stop it from working.


We need to see if dopamine is being made in PSSD or it is not being made.

If it is being made, then homovanilic acid will be high if it is broken down excessively If it is not being made. then the problem in in making it, and we are coming back to B2 deficiency b1 etc

 

[Jaxx]

Read my previous message


As I told prolactin has to be low not normal in this situation

Hardly anyone had calcium tested so i cannot say how if was indeed playing an important role. I am not saying it is a magic bullet, but people try things anyway. Maybe they shouldnt, but after years of sitting on a couch. As for the term wrongfully raised, i dont know what you mean by that exactly. My point is that prolactin tends to be coming back normal for most people in tests. (Maybe ratio’s are off, docs dont seem to look at that though). Thats why people just take stuff and see what happens, they dont know if it will help or make things worse.
As for risks, everyone ordering meds for bitcoins takes a risk i would say.

Anyway, i am not saying you are wrong about too many people trying stupid stuff. I am just saying that if something worked for someone and it is not clear why, others will try too.

I am getting some tests done this week, so i have a on-maoi baseline. This doesnt include elements though...
I dont expect this to be a cure, perhaps my dose is too low but i dont seem to handle a standard dose at all.

 

[Jaxx]

I am seeing an endo in a month that publishes on pssd. I will try to push to get calcium, potassium and b’s tested as well.
Barbaars tests are awesome to have, would be nice to see if this is a standard pssd case indeed.

 

[Helen]

Hardly anyone had calcium tested so i cannot say how if was indeed playing an important role. I am not saying it is a magic bullet, but people try things anyway. Maybe they shouldnt, but after years of sitting on a couch. As for the term wrongfully raised, i dont know what you mean by that exactly. My point is that prolactin tends to be coming back normal for most people in tests. (Maybe ratio’s are off, docs dont seem to look at that though). Thats why people just take stuff and see what happens, they dont know if it will help or make things worse.
As for risks, everyone ordering meds for bitcoins takes a risk i would say.

Anyway, i am not saying you are wrong about too many people trying stupid stuff. I am just saying that if something worked for someone and it is not clear why, others will try too.

I am getting some tests done this week, so i have a on-maoi baseline. This doesnt include elements though...
I dont expect this to be a cure, perhaps my dose is too low but i dont seem to handle a standard dose at all.

Wrongfully raised meaning that prolactin should be 2 on scale of 2 -20. but it is 15)

That will retain extra calcium which should be prohibited in this body chemistry


This is why in barbaar test, you see highish calcium in blood and very high calcium in the URINE. and high calcium on the hairtest.


To fight this calcium. BODY raised progesterone , and tried to retain as much potassium as it can. And it STOPS cortisol. CORTISOL IS NOT ALLOWED when body is trying to raise potassium. Since cortisol WASTES POTASSIUM. THUS you see very low POTASSIUM in the urine.

Also this raised progesterone WASTES SODIUM. THIS IS WHY SODIUM Is increased FOLDS in the URINE.


SO this mistake in calcium metabolism( PROLACTIN regulation., causes the body to retain potassium and get rid of sodium.

 

[Helen]

I am seeing an endo in a month that publishes on pssd. I will try to push to get calcium, potassium and b’s tested as well.
Barbaars tests are awesome to have, would be nice to see if this is a standard pssd case indeed.

Talkingant tests are THE SAME by the way.

 

[bruschi11]

Yes we just don’t want to mess with body with unproven ways when there are proven ways.

Cough cough look at guy writing this (me). Basically gets to 70-80% normal life, living extremely well. Sex life completely livable twice a day easy if I want. More athletic and capable of handling job in years.

Mainly with help of proven methods (electrolytes, zinc finger, fasting, Gerson Therapy, liver flushes) - one wrong step drinking hydrogen water for 2 months- gets set back indefinitely. We are going into month 4 now post hydrogen and although things are may be finally developing this was MAJOR setback.

All the hard work I put in last year- so much hard work. Was it all for not? What do I have to do to get out of this body chemistry that is still extremely sub par.

I’m trying to do my best in life. Found a girl, can actually function sexually decently. But I got fucked up. I go from working full time to not working. One experiment gone wrong leaves me living difficult life with no exact path back yet.

Now I’m not trying to fix pfs. I’m trying to fix my body so it can start making regular bowel movements again and fix incredible brain issues with the gut issues. Smh the body is a complex thing. Don’t want to screw around too much.

My best advise to anyone is if u have the body mass- fast for awhile followed by building body back up beginning with electrolyte protocol followed by TEI. Diet and exercise. Lifestyle.

 

[health]

you are PSSD< what RU for you?


Follow closely what we are trying out with barbaar and Talkingant. talkingant is taking anavar for PSSD now. so we will see how he does.

I took RU (3 x 17 mg) due to elevated progesterone in all my hormonal labs. It was a mistake - I wasn't patient enough and let my desire to feel normal again take over. Now my progesterone is even higher than before (before RU it was 0,31 - after it's 0,46 the norm is 0,1 - 0,2).

Unless I'm suicidal, nothing like that will happen again. Waiting for TEI results ATM.

 

[Helen]

I took RU (3 x 17 mg) due to elevated progesterone in all my hormonal labs. It was a mistake - I wasn't patient enough and let my desire to feel normal again take over. Now my progesterone is even higher than before (before RU it was 0,31 - after it's 0,46 the norm is 0,1 - 0,2).

Unless I'm suicidal, nothing like that will happen again. Waiting for TEI results ATM.

Good, I hate see people fuck themselved up. I am trying very hard to systemically come to the solution and when I see this solution already, I see people still fucking themselves up, right before we present the well research solution.