Why Does TRT not solve PFS (generally)?

[MNK99]

Hi there. Merry Christmas everyone.
Just wondering why is it that TRT does not help restart the HTPA or get people to where they want to be following PFS?

I'm sure of the thousands or more that have suffered PFS, that SOME have had success with TRT, but it seems its very rare.
Is it because the levels are fine for Testosterone, DHT, Estrogen, etc? Or is it because the body is insensitive to androgens now?

I'm sure some people have benefitted, visiting the anabolic steroid forums and bodybuilding forums... Maybe sometimes Finasteride just causes low testosterone and some form of hypogonadism that is treatable. Other times maybe it causes a lot more. I'm curious.

Also, I'd like to share this link:

I think 2/3 through, a doctor Mark Gordan speaks about TRT low dose testosterone for PFS and traumatic brain injuries.
He has this link for patients, that want to see him for treatment.
Post-Finasteride Syndrome Treatment


I am not suggesting anyone go on TRT for PFS or similar issues. If it reliably worked, far less would be suffering.
I'm just trying to understand why "it doesn't work"? I know the problem is more complicated than just low test... but surely some people, somewhere in the world have improved from it.


Again, I'm not doing this (I don't live in the USA anyways) and I'd like to continue natural methods of healing. Just seeing if anyone has any input as to why this isn't going to work.

 

[Ailaeshiz]

Because the problem isn't lack of testosterone, but androgenic receptors which have been permanently desensitized due to fin.

 

[joekool]

I want to thank you for the link and podcast... the part where Dr Gordan speaks is just after 1:39:00 ... If my T3 concept doesn't have me recovered by end of 1st quarter 2018, I will contact this doctor...

 

[Ailaeshiz]

He says he gives his patients TRT, HCG, and Clomid, but looking up HCG and Finasteride on Google doesn't give very promising results.

 

[MNK99]

I am open to trying such a thing if I could get someone in Canada, if all else fails.

I'm sure test would be less unkind to me than say mood stabilizers (only tried one for an appreciable time) and finasteride.

I really hope this isn't exactly a traumatic brain injury... between PSSD (former) and PFS, that would be too much.

@joekool thanks for confirming the time.
Is Dr. Gordan near to you?

 

[bruschi11]

This guy can’t do shit. He can help those with a lucky form of PFS that can be beat with boosting testosterone and metabolic rate with preg/t3. But he’s not going to solve 99% of cases out there.

We have our doctor in @gbolduev here. I think we all just have to buy into his protocols and give all of them serious long term shots.

 

[joekool]

@bruschi11 don't hold back .. tell us how you really feel about this doctor! lol

just playing... yes gbolduev is amazing but i wouldn't mind having a doctor who can read the bloodwork and offer a 2nd opinion or previous history... not 100% sure either but i'm open

 

[Helen]

Joe, I hope t3 with AI works. that would be so easy for people to do.

 

[freeflow]

Joe, I hope t3 with AI works. that would be so easy for people to do.

Didnt we agree that we should never use AI to block estrogen. Aromataze inhibitors make my depressed like hell, others get this too. Like @wuf

 

[Helen]

Didnt we agree that we should never use AI to block estrogen. Aromataze inhibitors make my depressed like hell, others get this too. Like @wuf

and you should never block estrogen alone. When you take thyroid , body is trying to oppose it, so for that reason it needs to increase estrogen and that starts the steroid axis. But then body will just raise prolactin and turn off the axis. For that not to happen AI is taken. And if you take enough to block estrogen, yes, you will have zero libido. And could be depressed.

But Joe is trying to make his cortisol more sensitive this way. If he has libido still that means he is not blocking estrogen enough. and that means that adrenaline is stll working. LIBIDO should be zero on this protocol.

 

[bruschi11]

So @joekool , essentially @gbolduev is telling you that you shouldn't have libido right now? And possibly when you stop t3 and AI, libido, PFS get better?

Also, lol I did sound bit crazy up there, but man doctors out there saying they specialize in PFS is just crazy. This guy specializes in HRT and if HRT works for PFS thats all cool and all. It's like a free pass out of jail that very few of us can actually get.

But he doesn't specialize in PFS- its such a different ballgame than HRT. HRT is easy to figure out- testo, t3, preg, maybe some HC its pretty simple stuff you can teach yourself. No need to spend $1000s of dollars and wait for this doctor. Local, but specialty hormone doctor can probably help you rather than going all the way to see this guy as well.

 

[wuf]

@bruschi11 don't hold back .. tell us how you really feel about this doctor! lol

just playing... yes gbolduev is amazing but i wouldn't mind having a doctor who can read the bloodwork and offer a 2nd opinion or previous history... not 100% sure either but i'm open

Joe, I remember you were doing good on a protocol suggested byGbold (I don't remember wich one) time ago, am I wrong?
What was the protocol? And finally it didn't stick?

 

[bruschi11]

I will say that when some of us put together protocols that really work we should be going to these "PFS specialists" and sharing with them how we got better.

At least they can do something to put together some sort of a medical plan. We can't except for talking about it online lol

 

[wuf]

I will say that when some of us put together protocols that really work we should be going to these "PFS specialists" and sharing with them how we got better.

At least they can do something to put together some sort of a medical plan. We can't except for talking about it online lol

Was not for you, sorry!

 

[wuf]

I want to thank you for the link and podcast... the part where Dr Gordan speaks is just after 1:39:00 ... If my T3 concept doesn't have me recovered by end of 1st quarter 2018, I will contact this doctor...

Joe, I remember you were doing good on a protocol suggested byGbold (I don't remember wich one) time ago, am I wrong?
What was the protocol? And finally it didn't stick?

 

[joekool]

@wuf I did feel benefits from cofactors such as copper but my turtling and tight testicles remained problematic...

Prior to RU, I used a Clomid / dopamine agonist... that helped a lot too.
Then RU cleared the brain fog I believe
but this T3 has improved blood flow so my genitals hang normal again... I do see improvements in size as well, likely due to blood... i only take .66mg of Letro every other night... so it's not to bring estrogen to zero but really really low...

@bruschi11 as far as libido goes... It's weird... I don't have the original libido I used to have but I notice some desire... to be blunt, i am now able to begin an erection without touching myself, and then I'm able to have intercourse maintaining a normal erection. The old desire for sex isn't there but perhaps now that I'm able to perform, I'm interpreting that as libido but it's not full desire just yet... hard to explain.

but i've seen improvements in my genitals area, where the last of my side affects really remain.. i don't have brain fog anymore, as far as i can tell... I kinda still have ADD per se... nothing diagnosed but I don't maintain focus like i used to... likely easily distracted with this issue...

 

[bruschi11]

@joekool it appears we are in a similar spot there sexually as I know exactly what you're talking about. Man I hope this prog stuff holds on because its a damn comfortable spot compared to before.

I want a lot more but I'm glad I'm here right now. We'll get there.

 

[wuf]

@wuf I did feel benefits from cofactors such as copper but my turtling and tight testicles remained problematic...

Prior to RU, I used a Clomid / dopamine agonist... that helped a lot too.
Then RU cleared the brain fog I believe
but this T3 has improved blood flow so my genitals hang normal again... I do see improvements in size as well, likely due to blood... i only take .66mg of Letro every other night... so it's not to bring estrogen to zero but really really low...

@bruschi11 as far as libido goes... It's weird... I don't have the original libido I used to have but I notice some desire... to be blunt, i am now able to begin an erection without touching myself, and then I'm able to have intercourse maintaining a normal erection. The old desire for sex isn't there but perhaps now that I'm able to perform, I'm interpreting that as libido but it's not full desire just yet... hard to explain.

but i've seen improvements in my genitals area, where the last of my side affects really remain.. i don't have brain fog anymore, as far as i can tell... I kinda still have ADD per se... nothing diagnosed but I don't maintain focus like i used to... likely easily distracted with this issue...

I know gold told you to do so.
But I hardly suggest you to do not use anti estrogen with or without other medications.
This is my personal experience...my estrogens took around 10 months to rise again and the side effects from low estrogens are not pleasant.

 

[MNK99]

Fucking FUCK!......

 

[stupidfreak]

He says he gives his patients TRT, HCG, and Clomid, but looking up HCG and Finasteride on Google doesn't give very promising results.

I contacted a random guy on reddit and he seen some improvements(altho slight) on hcg.He worded it a "slight temporary relief".So i would guess its not the route most of us would take.