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@Admiral of course I have buildup of copper and low bioavailable copper. But you still need some copper to make ceruloplasmin work. I think that's why ARL is giving some copper as well. Without copper and pushing just antagonists I think adrenals will stop working and you just close the whole system. So it makes sense to me you need little copper to keep detoxing that excess..
If HG7 really works as Jabob says it works then it is better solution than taking copper, but I would love to see someone taking big dose of EGCG alone and doing serum copper and ceruloplasmin test to see if that free copper really goes up or what is really going on.. Because from what I saw Jacob himself never had low copper issues. Crazy physical issues like I had/have. So I can't just take that insane anti copper stack and just hope that the EGCG really does what he says it does...
 
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try resveratrol to raise ceruloplasmin and dont eat liver and too much copper then take something to bind copper. it worked for HerrFisch
 
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Definitely not necessary. I did a few cycles and felt like mentally things were just better. Maybe from increase estrogen. But long term couldn't tolerate it.
 
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There is a opportunity to apply for a job in a hotel in Cyprus from October to whatever... I am thinking if I should try it.
+ are away from all that mental stress, swimming in the sea every day(maybe even during peak winter months), more sun during the whole winter etc..
- food what is left from the hotel kitchen I think, supps probably hardly available.
The main issue is that I started that stupid T4 med. So don't know how hard it is to get thyroid meds in Cyprus.
But outside of that I think I would do great there. I gave up on it for summer season. It is insanely hot. But I think fall and winter on Cyprus has to be perfect. Especially in comparison with Czech Rep.. Just thinking about another winter here gives me PTSD lol.
 
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IT is crazy how similar the numbers are from 8 years ago. Just little worse now.

https://imgur.com/a/MXUCe0X

Btw that report has like 80 pages + there is a lot of "read more" where you click and it will send you to more detailed info for example about some ratio etc..
We know a lot of this stuff, but for someone who has no idea that is crazy amount of info. You can finish reading it and you can start again, because of how much info there is..
Anyways in my case I think that it basically boils down to chronic stress like I said. So I think if I will be able to simply lower stress and just take all those micronutrients in some good ratio. The body should take care of the rest. THere is no magic formula or specific protocol. Simply lower stress will make digestion, organ function better, better blood flow, better breathing I mean everything..
But the thing is my body is already badly damaged like bad spine/nerve function for example that alone creates chronic stress..
Btw there is a lot of info about this chiropractic stuff as well. I don't think it was in ARL report at all.
So I think the report from Luke really is better and also those Valence supps are better I think. Just don't have so much money to buy them. Will have to put it together with single items...
 
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This is what they recommend and they say slow ox and zinc matrix is the most important for me
SlowOx 1 0 1 SlowOx - Valence Nutraceuticals
ThyroSpark 1 0 1
NervCalm (optional) 0 0 1
BileFlow Plus 1 1 1
Cal-Mag Fusion 2 0 2 Cal-Mag Fusion - Valence Nutraceuticals
Zinc Matrix Pro 1 0 1 Zinc Matrix Pro - Valence Nutraceuticals
CellRestore 2 0 2
ShenForce (optional) 1 0 1
Selenium Chelate (optional) (100mcg) 1 0 0
Fish Oil (1000mg) 0 0 1
Kelp (600mg) 2 0 2 Vit D3 1 0 0

But now I wonder if that 1 means one serving or 1 capsule lol.. I think it means one capsule right? Because when I look at that zinc it has 49mg per 2 capsules(one serving)
So it would be 49mg from zinc matrix + 4mg from slow ox.
Also only 2mg of manganese? With 53mg of zinc I don't like it lol. Also no molybdenum at all in their supps. I think they probably have no idea about that mineral lol..

I like chatGPT suggestion more. He recommends 10-15mg zinc and do more manganese, molybdenum, chromium because my zinc is already high in zn/cu ratio..
Looking how similar my hair tests are ARL would recommend something like 80mg zinc, 15-20mg manganese, 2-3mg copper, 600mcg chromium...

What you think guys.
 
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they want to force copper and fe from your body
do you have low testosterone symptoms, beacuse low fe on hairtest suggest this?

and look that they give cysteine not histidine in supps
 
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Those are my last blood test couple months old.
DHEA-S 7,11 ref. range 2,41 - 11,60 µmol/l
Estradiol 47,0 ref. range 40,0 - 161,0 pmol/l
Testosteron 19,59 ref. range 8,64 - 29,00 nmol/l

and with the cysteine/histidine to be honest I don't think their reasoning is so deep like Helen used to say about ARL/TEI recommended protocols..
I listen podcast with those guys who have that Valence supp line and I can honestly say that they know like 50% or less what people on this forum knows..
So I am trying looking at this from that perspective..

Is your hair test similar to mine? How did you take that zinc and manganese. How much and in what doses during the day?
Keep in mind I did self bleeding before the hair test 350ml of blood. I also started thyroid meds like 30 days before the hair sample was cut.
So there was a lot going on.
Also I was not working. So a lot of sitting in front of PC. So worse blood flow etc..

I think I will do simply doses around tolerable upper limit for all those micro minerals - calcium I will not push that high. Only like 200mg 3 times a day with meals.
and to make sure I have vit A and copper as well I will buy some beef liver capsules and take little dose to have at least like 50% of RDA for vit A and some little extra copper from it as well.

Make sure that thyroid panel looks ok at least TSH in range etc.. and after 3-4 moths of more stable time with less stress, saturating my body with elements do retest and I think that would be much more telling hair test than this one..

At least now I know more. So I can react to the symptoms if I push something to much in wrong direction etc..
 
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High zinc just blocks from intestines if you lower your copper intake to very low you also don't need as much. Just my experience. Unless you are zinc deficient.

But yea typical slow oxidizer I think.

I think you can use cod liver oil for vitamin A. Personally never tried it. But I mean why not?

I think taking some calcium is good. I did low calcium very long and got a lot of issues eventhough I am a slow oxidizer. Just don't overdo it.
 
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But zinc is not just about regulating copper, but also iron and other metals. Of course I will not take 50 or more mg.. I have 22 and 30mg capsules. So I will be taking 22-30mg a day..
I wonder what is up with manganese. It looks like it can accumulate in the liver exactly the same way as copper can. It is not that damaging like copper, but still a problem if the body can't emiminate excess. But I will try 10mg for some time and will see. Calcium I sprinkle some calcium citrate on my meals..

Simply I will make sure that I have all minerals in some normal amounts. No high doses of anything. That is like basic nutrition that everyone should do.

But like I said at this point I believe that in my case the way I live/think, how much stress I have etc. influences what elements I retain and what elements I eliminate much more than what I take...
So it is not about some specific protocol I think. It is about giving the body all micros (at least in some normal ratio that we know is probably ok so more zinc than copper and not the other way around etc.) and the body will do the rest. IF it is not constantly in high stress mode where the body is pumping stress hormones instead of digesting food and repairing tissues etc..
Which was my case for years and years and years. No fucking bottle of supps will help with that...

BUT I do understand that when I was crazy high in copper that alone just increases conversion of dopamine to stress hormones.
Same thing with vit A toxicity. If I didn't address that I would never got better no matter what would I do and how low stress life I would have..
But like I said I was leaning too much on what should I take or not take to get better and was avoiding he bigger picture in my life..
Because it is easier to take a pill and hope for the best than doing life changes that are hard..
 
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Actually my biggest progress kinda ,,chinese big tiger leap" I made by using :
en.wikipedia.org

Trimethoprim/sulfamethoxazole - Wikipedia

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I'm actually on fith cycle and I think another great leap is made but to be sure I need to wait till the end of cycle and few days after it.
According to my symptoms chatgpt helped deduced me that concerning chronic nature of my problems and drug which i use that Nocardia or Toxoplasmosis or Staphylococus aureus are probably cause of problems. Toxoplasmosis could be the problem - blood test suggest it, and works of Joseph Prandota. Staphylococus could also be cause, I take nasal swab in respected lab few weeks ago and it was confirmed that I have it and is sensitive to TMP-SMX drug.
All above organisms if are in excess in human body can cause intracranial hypertension which led to headaches, neurological problems and pressed pituitary and this cause of course hormonal imbalances.
My headaches again weaken, my dick seems to work better, I feel myself much more like before my problems. More normal not like premenopausal women.
So my advice to all: If you have or you feel hormonal imbalances, you have neurological problems or you have headaches-do toxoplasmosis blood tests, do nasal swab in some good laboratory. If you have skin problems- for 90 % it is staphylococus. Chemoterapeutics/antibiotics which you will use should have ability to penetrate BBB like tmp-smx if you have problems connected to head. This stuff which I wrote can save your money and time and I from my practical point of view give me better outcome and allow me to do ,,big chinese tiger leap"


ps. confirm nasal swab in two laboratories beacuse first did not show anything and you have to be without antibiotic for 14 days

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I gave up on that Cyprus job for now. It is in Ayia Napa which is basically tourist trap. THere are no supermarkets or anything where I could buy food. Because the food they provide I learned is just made for stuff. So I would end up starving becuase those meals would be like pasta with something.. Which I can't eat..
I would also have to stop all supps which I don't want now. I will do what ARL was recommending years ago because how similar my hair test is..
The only missing part that I don't have in supplement form is vit A which they recommend in general multi and for multi for rising Na/K.
I have some beef liver. So I will probably try like 10g every other day. That would give me like 50% RDA for vit A. Don't know if it's a good idea to take any retinol at all.
But it's 8 years already since I had any significant intake of vit A apart from couple of egg yolks.. SO will see..
Basically what I learned that when I push zinc I have to watch for symptoms of too much slowing down metabolism=lowering sodium.
I was doing the mistake of taking copper antagonists no matter what that's why I felt like shit. My estradiol tanked. It was nice that I had definition like bodybuilder before the show lol, but it is useless if you feel like shit. So I have to balance it more. Up my estradiol with some copper, probably boron as well. Basically like I said take all elements in some balance.. What is the point of shutting the whole system down with loads of zinc if the metabolism is dead and nothing is happening.. If it's needed I need to feed some copper as well to keep adrenals running.
Just until now I had no idea what I was doing. Couldn't connecting the dots at all.. Now I understand better.

For the retest I have to find out someone who gives me ARL report that's for sure. I don't give a shit what some practitioner has to say with his whatever agenda he is pushing..
For example that stupid Luke practitioner recommends 5000iu of vit D3 for me. Slow oxidizer with potassium at 2. How fucking stupid that is..
ARL has some vit D in that multi as well. But it is like 400iu.. Which is nothing. I get more D from some sardines..
 
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Just had 8g of cooked beef liver. After 8 years. Waiting to die here hehe.
10g of liver a day is ok supplemental amount of vit A or copper for most people I think.. But who eats so small amount or who doesn't eat any other vit A sources.. I know Ray Peat was saying "over 5000iu can be problematic for hypothyroid people" yet at the same time most people were hypothyroid and still pounding loads of liver on top of dairy, eggs, butter, beta carrots from carrots etc..
Anyways thx chatGPT he says if I want around 35% RDA for retinol a day which is the amount in ARL supps. It is about 100g per month. That sounds reasonable to me.
That will be my only retinol source. I don't eat dairy fat or egg yolks. Maybe the small amount from sea food that I would eat, but that's it.
Will do vit A/D blood test with next blood work will se if it jumps too much or not.. Hopefully copper with ceruloplasmin will increase.. Otherwise I am fuuuuuuucked..
Or maybe canned cod liver is better because it has some vit D as well? Per 115g can like 19500iu vit A and 4500iu vit D. One can per week gives basically 100% RDA for vit A and D wow that's nice. SO to be safe one can every 10-14 days seems even better than liver. I don't have to cook it, freeze it any of that shit...
Anyways will see after eating that 300g portion of liver and retesting. Maybe I will be toxic again and I will be done with vit A again hehe.
 
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