ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[Steve]

NEVER use it.

I won't but I did a couple of years ago for 3 months, maybe 2 months.

Can this give pssd?

 

[Helen]

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I won't but I did a couple of years ago for 3 months, maybe 2 months.

Can this give pssd?

Serotonin precursors can cause PSSD, since they increase cortisol which causes hypokalemia and chloride losses

 

[Steve]

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Serotonin precursors can cause PSSD, since they increase cortisol which causes hypokalemia and chloride losses

So I pretty much just do the same protocol I'm on but get my sodium tested and if it's low, add in NaCl?

Whey + mgcl + kcl + hcl + nacl (if sodium low).

 

[DoIt]

Do you want to say that all PSSD guys have low potassium? I have PSSD but my blood potassium is normal. I'm a bit scepticabout that, but people can test it easy.

 

[freeflow]

I want to share my experience with 12 days of R andro, 2-300mg per day.

The first day I took it my voice dropped and had more personality and better erections.
From the 2nd day my libido and erections were killed, deepened voice was also gone.

Around day 8-9 I added 2.5 mg copper. My voice dropped again, had more confidence, was enjoying work and had very good laughs. Also copper alone usually gives me better libido/liking the looks of girls than r andro.
Copper makes my old humour/dopamine come back, I could laugh with tears in my eyes again or just certain jokes pop into my mind and I start to laugh in myself.
Then I kept taking copper and noticed that after taking copper I had the feeling of vomiting, wanted to throw up. It also stopped working, there was no humour present.
I stopped R andro yesterday, used only copper but the sick vomiting feeling appeared again in some minutes after taking copper.
I suppose it became toxic to my body, biounavailable. (i was not using electrolytes with it)

I will report about r andro if I feel a libido comeback/snap back but

now I started the electrolyte protocol to see where it gets me.

Forgot to mention that on day 10 i ate zinc rich foods next to the copper and i had a wet dream. This happened only after my long water fast(13 days) in 2017.
Now when i load up on zinc i can have many many erections just by thinking about sex but the libido is not there and im not enjoying the thoughts.

Hoping the electrolyte protocol will put all minerals in proper use as copper would gave me back my humour, zinc my pre pfs erection frequency and quality.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I want to share my experience with 12 days of R andro, 2-300mg per day.

The first day I took it my voice dropped and had more personality and better erections.
From the 2nd day my libido and erections were killed, deepened voice was also gone.

Around day 8-9 I added 2.5 mg copper. My voice dropped again, had more confidence, was enjoying work and had very good laughs. Also copper alone usually gives me better libido/liking the looks of girls than r andro.
Copper makes my old humour/dopamine come back, I could laugh with tears in my eyes again or just certain jokes pop into my mind and I start to laugh in myself.
Then I kept taking copper and noticed that after taking copper I had the feeling of vomiting, wanted to throw up. It also stopped working, there was no humour present.
I stopped R andro yesterday, used only copper but the sick vomiting feeling appeared again in some minutes after taking copper.
I suppose it became toxic to my body, biounavailable. (i was not using electrolytes with it)

I will report about r andro if I feel a libido comeback/snap back but

now I started the electrolyte protocol to see where it gets me.

Forgot to mention that on day 10 i ate zinc rich foods next to the copper and i had a wet dream. This happened only after my long water fast(13 days) in 2017.
Now when i load up on zinc i can have many many erections just by thinking about sex but the libido is not there and im not enjoying the thoughts.

Hoping the electrolyte protocol will put all minerals in proper use as copper would gave me back my humour, zinc my pre pfs erection frequency and quality.

Very similar to my positive experience with copper. I think it is important to take the other minerals potassium and magnesium (chloride) to keep metabolism up. Low metabolism means less beneficial hormones I think. So if you only take copper without other minerals you will lower your metabolism too much. This was also outlined by Scenes. I am still taking copper.

 

[freeflow]

Very similar to my positive experience with copper. I think it is important to take the other minerals potassium and magnesium (chloride) to keep metabolism up. Low metabolism means less beneficial hormones I think. So if you only take copper without other minerals you will lower your metabolism too much. This was also outlined by Scenes. I am still taking copper.

R andro tanks potassium anyways, at least thats what we suppose here. U havent felt sick from copper yet? For me it was crazy, in some minutes after i take it i just want to throw up. But if i skip a lot of days and then take it the humour is insanely good. Next time I will try to take it with electrolytes, or better I give a new try to thorne extra with electrolytes.

 

[RebelWithACause]

R andro tanks potassium anyways, at least thats what we suppose here. U havent felt sick from copper yet? For me it was crazy, in some minutes after i take it i just want to throw up. But if i skip a lot of days and then take it the humour is insanely good. Next time I will try to take it with electrolytes, or better I give a new try to thorne extra with electrolytes.

No I don't feel sick from it.

 

[DoIt]

Last post a month ago? What happened with this, anyone "balanced"?

 

[Niles]

Last post a month ago? What happened with this, anyone "balanced"?

Most have moved on to the more comprehensive Electrolyte Protocol for Improved Health. It incorporates zinc finger plus more, and many are experiencing benefits.

 

[brongfogboy]

@gbolduev Can you talk about what Zinc Finger is and what its function is in the body? I am google searching and I can't find anything that explains what it does specifically. I want to understand it.

 

[TubZy]

@gbolduev Can you talk about what Zinc Finger is and what its function is in the body? I am google searching and I can't find anything that explains what it does specifically. I want to understand it.

Zinc finger - Wikipedia

 

[Area-1255]

Whoever doesn't get sick/overstimulated from Copper either has an efficient system at absorbing it, their bodies sequester it well or they have so low Histamine that they don't have chemical sensitivities. Or could be super high histamine which can do that. Although that would usually mean high environmental allergies but low drug-related effects etc.

 

[brongfogboy]

Zinc finger - Wikipedia

I read that entire page (and about 5 others) before posting here. It reads as if the person writing it doesn't even know what a zinc finger does in the body and he's hoping you don't ask him to explain himself:

A zinc finger is a small protein structural motif that is characterized by the coordination of one or more zinc ions (Zn2+) in order to stabilize the fold. Originally coined to describe the finger-like appearance of a hypothesized structure from Xenopus laevis transcription factor IIIA, the zinc finger name has now come to encompass a wide variety of differing protein structures.[1]

I could guess that "Zinc finger" is the process that allows proteins to form properly but it's not clear to me. Maybe someone else has an interpretation.

 

[TubZy]

I read that entire page (and about 5 others) before posting here. It reads as if the person writing it doesn't even know what a zinc finger does in the body and he's hoping you don't ask him to explain himself:



I could guess that "Zinc finger" is the process that allows proteins to form properly but it's not clear to me. Maybe someone else has an interpretation.

What are you specifically looking for in context though? Are you trying to experiment with something else in relation to zinc finger? I think the original post of this thread does a good job of putting it in layman's terms at least for me and most people.

 

[brongfogboy]

What are you specifically looking for in context though? Are you trying to experiment with something else in relation to zinc finger? I think the original post of this thread does a good job of putting it in layman's terms at least for me and most people.

I'm trying to understand what exactly "Zinc Finger"'s function is in the body because I think it's important to understand what you're doing as you're doing it. Zinc Finger is weird because nowhere can I find an explanation for what it actually does. On the other hand if I do a google search for cortisol there are clear explanations of what it is, what it does, when and why it is created, how it is bio-synthesized etc. There just doesn't seem to be a lot of good information on Zinc Finger.

No worries, I was just seeing if someone had a clear explanation of what it is.

 

[Yura]

I'm trying to understand what exactly "Zinc Finger"'s function is in the body because I think it's important to understand what you're doing as you're doing it. Zinc Finger is weird because nowhere can I find an explanation for what it actually does. On the other hand if I do a google search for cortisol there are clear explanations of what it is, what it does, when and why it is created, how it is bio-synthesized etc. There just doesn't seem to be a lot of good information on Zinc Finger.

No worries, I was just seeing if someone had a clear explanation of what it is.

I agree. People are using these terms and have no idea what it is or what it does or how it works.. I also want to know how everything works exactly. Like someone said - If you can't explain something in very simple way, then you don't understand it..

 

[brongfogboy]

I agree. People are using these terms and have no idea what it is or what it does or how it works.. I also want to know how everything works exactly. Like someone said - If you can't explain something in very simple way, then you don't understand it..

Just carrying on a bit with this dialog, I know that in the end the most important thing is if it cures you or not. I would be perfectly happy if I was cured and didn't understand at all "why" something worked. However, in this case it seems that it doesn't work 100% and so I find it especially important to understand Zinc Finger so I might be able to build on this more.

 

[Slayo]

Just carrying on a bit with this dialog, I know that in the end the most important thing is if it cures you or not. I would be perfectly happy if I was cured and didn't understand at all "why" something worked. However, in this case it seems that it doesn't work 100% and so I find it especially important to understand Zinc Finger so I might be able to build on this more.

Zinc finger is a complex of histidine, cysteine, zinc. This complex act as a "glucocorticoid receptor", so without it cortisol doesn't work. You can search for it on internet, you can find infos on it easily, apparently people that complain haven't done their research

 

[HerrFisch]

What I find funny about you guys with PFS on here is that you guys use drugs like caber, RU, Ella, Fin, Dexedrine, prolactin inhibitors, etc etc.
But I did not see one guy besides Tubzy & Orion using Electrolyte dosages over 40% RDI. More like 10%
(ANd not talking about mg only, as for some that might not be good in their current "chemistry". And I know a lot just dropped that bc they felt bad. (?!))

Is it just me or is that weird ? Like using cocain but being afraid of coffee
I mean you guys go above at 40% RDI of zinc as well right?

And PS.: I dont mean that in an offensive way !
PPS: Am I stupid or who is even doing this electrolyte protocol seriously right now? I think Im seeing through gbolds eyes. wtf
Its like those with hairtest do weird parts of the protocol they like and those who want to follow the protocol do not have hair tests LOL

Raise your hand if I overlooked something

edit: wow I might sound upset, its not the case though.