ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[Jamie]

Histidine seems to somehow help with getting orgasms easier and feeling more. How does it stick to pre ejaculation? If histidine makes it faster is PE connected to too high levels of histidine?

 

[TubZy]

I think this theory makes sense, it just another way of getting zinc to become sensitive again in the body for anyone still confused. Gbol mentioned this to me a long time ago when I asked why PFS can cause histamine, allergy, MCS issues and he said it was related to an insensitivity of corisol issue from zinc not working (it was posted in the Gbol quote section). So for the people saying this is an entire new theory it really isn't just another variation.

Has anyone tried the full protocol yet? Every time I order something for another protocol a new one pops up and i get sidetracked LOL. I have prog/pred that should be here any day now but amino acids are pretty easy to quickly get and are cheap.

Also for the histidine, low low dose is best. I tried 3 grams and felt weird and had intense dreams and felt itchy. 200-500mg seems to work best, I have not tried the full protocol yet though.

Is serine and aspartic acid necessary? Or would cysteine, histidine, zinc, copper be sufficient [mention]gbolduev[/mention]

 

[barbaar]

[mention]TubZy[/mention] my histidine should arrive tomorrow. I also ordered some betaine HCl to test if my stomach acid is indeed low. Titrating up should give me an indication of how low it actually is right?

 

[Helen]

I think this theory makes sense, it just another way of getting zinc to become sensitive again in the body for anyone still confused. Gbol mentioned this to me a long time ago when I asked why PFS can cause histamine, allergy, MCS issues and he said it was related to an insensitivity of corisol issue from zinc not working (it was posted in the Gbol quote section). So for the people saying this is an entire new theory it really isn't just another variation.

Has anyone tried the full protocol yet? Every time I order something for another protocol a new one pops up and i get sidetracked LOL. I have prog/pred that should be here any day now but amino acids are pretty easy to quickly get and are cheap.

Also for the histidine, low low dose is best. I tried 3 grams and felt weird and had intense dreams and felt itchy. 200-500mg seems to work best, I have not tried the full protocol yet though.

Is serine and aspartic acid necessary? Or would cysteine, histidine, zinc, copper be sufficient @gbolduev

All of it is needed. Read the protocol , you need folate, bs, etc aminos. People are stuck with low stomach acid. low folate, low methylation. But actual methylation can lower histidine. since it has folate in it. SO folate lowers histidine converting it into glutamic acid. In low stomach acid environment folate is low.

So some can try histidine with folate, or histidine zinc, copper, cysteine. But it is better to take the whole protocol. This is not PFS protocol , this is a protocol for every day . That should solve everything.

 

[Helen]

This protocol is not about histidine only. BEWARE

 

[barbaar]

[mention]gbolduev[/mention] would it be ok to try it for a day or so to see how I react? I can hold off and get the other stuff first before jumping on the actual protocol. I want to do another Ella cycle before doing anything else anyways.

 

[TubZy]

I think this theory makes sense, it just another way of getting zinc to become sensitive again in the body for anyone still confused. Gbol mentioned this to me a long time ago when I asked why PFS can cause histamine, allergy, MCS issues and he said it was related to an insensitivity of corisol issue from zinc not working (it was posted in the Gbol quote section). So for the people saying this is an entire new theory it really isn't just another variation.

Has anyone tried the full protocol yet? Every time I order something for another protocol a new one pops up and i get sidetracked LOL. I have prog/pred that should be here any day now but amino acids are pretty easy to quickly get and are cheap.

Also for the histidine, low low dose is best. I tried 3 grams and felt weird and had intense dreams and felt itchy. 200-500mg seems to work best, I have not tried the full protocol yet though.

Is serine and aspartic acid necessary? Or would cysteine, histidine, zinc, copper be sufficient @gbolduev

All of it is needed. Read the protocol , you need folate, bs, etc aminos. People are stuck with low stomach acid. low folate, low methylation. But actual methylation can lower histidine. since it has folate in it. SO folate lowers histidine converting it into glutamic acid. In low stomach acid environment folate is low.

So some can try histidine with folate, or histidine zinc, copper, cysteine. But it is better to take the whole protocol. This is not PFS protocol , this is a protocol for every day . That should solve everything.

OK, I see it is a protocol that addresses many issues PFS being o e of them, wouldn't it just be easier taking a multi vitamin or b complex with the added aminos? If someone were to go that route?

 

[TubZy]

@TubZy my histidine should arrive tomorrow. I also ordered some betaine HCl to test if my stomach acid is indeed low. Titrating up should give me an indication of how low it actually is right?

Nice, I haven't tried using betaine HCL with it as my histidine is the HCL form and I also ordered cysteine in HCL form. I think it would still be good to add in so you absorb the zinc and copper better too I assume. Yeah titrating up you should be able to tell if you feel a super warm burning feeling in your stomach lower the dose a bit, but if you start low you should be good.

 

[Helen]

OK, I see it is a protocol that addresses many issues PFS being o e of them, wouldn't it just be easier taking a multi vitamin or b complex with the added aminos? If someone were to go that route?

It says to take bee pollen pine pollen, brewest yeast with aminos and eat a lot of spinach with kale, beets, for folate. And juice breuss, which has all the sulfur you need

 

[TubZy]

OK, I see it is a protocol that addresses many issues PFS being o e of them, wouldn't it just be easier taking a multi vitamin or b complex with the added aminos? If someone were to go that route?

It says to take bee pollen pine pollen, brewest yeast with aminos and eat a lot of spinach with kale, beets, for folate. And juice breuss, which has all the sulfur you need

Thanks. OK, I guess I will have both protocols then. One that upregualte zinc finger (this protocol) and one that down regulates it (prog/pred).

Have you tried this on yourself yet?

I eat lots of greens...please not pine pollen again LOL

 

[Helen]

you dont like pine pollen powder?

 

[TubZy]

you dont like pine pollen powder?

I like it, but gave me anxiety and mild histamine reaction I think from the hormones in it, this was a while ago. I used pine pollen powder.

I was talking about your buddy who never stopped asking questions about it lol

 

[Helen]

you dont like pine pollen powder?

I like it, but gave me anxiety and mild histamine reaction I think from the hormones in it, this was a while ago. I used pine pollen powder.

I was talking about your buddy who never stopped asking questions about it lol

Lol my buddy Snell? Yeah, I hope he is doing ok.

 

[JDD]

So how does low zinc finger lead to hairloss, what is the connection there that actually causes hair to fall out of the scalp?

 

[Helen]

So how does low zinc finger lead to hairloss, what is the connection there that actually causes hair to fall out of the scalp?

SLow metabolism and zero potassium in the cell. No cysteine metabolism. And low bioavailable copper. Calcification.

NO new protein synthesis since cortisol is insensitive. No SODS, since histidine is part of them so a lot of free radicals.

 

[freeflow]

So how does low zinc finger lead to hairloss, what is the connection there that actually causes hair to fall out of the scalp?

SLow metabolism and zero potassium in the cell. No cysteine metabolism. And low bioavailable copper. Calcification.

NO new protein synthesis since cortisol is insensitive. No SODS, since histidine is part of them so a lot of free radicals.

And women are so much less affected because of their progesterone which modulates potassium in the cell, right?
And as I have high progesterone now i barely have any hairloss, i could regrow a lot of hair actually with scalp massage!

 

[TubZy]

So how does low zinc finger lead to hairloss, what is the connection there that actually causes hair to fall out of the scalp?

SLow metabolism and zero potassium in the cell. No cysteine metabolism. And low bioavailable copper. Calcification.

NO new protein synthesis since cortisol is insensitive. No SODS, since histidine is part of them so a lot of free radicals.

Given the SOD aspect, could this potentially reverse grey hair as well? I don't have grey hair but I think some people asked about methods to address it in the past. Would be cool if someone tried it.

 

[Helen]

No SODS, since histidine is part of them so a lot of free radicals.

Given the SOD aspect, could this potentially reverse grey hair as well? I don't have grey hair but I think some people asked about methods to address it in the past. Would be cool if someone tried it.

Yes Histidine is a part of catalase reaction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalase

Basically that is why fasting is so good, Histidine comes out from carnosine and cleans up all the metals and chelates them.
This is why carnosine was found to prolong life greatly. Very similar to C60 , shungit is a chelator also.

So basically the theory of overmineralization and aging is the correct one. You retain free forms of all minreals, like copper zinc, iron , anything they go into the brain and do their job of oxidizing and causing harm.

That is why fasting makes you young. You dont put in minerals, but you are using your reserves of histidine to chelate everything out. And I guess after the fast you need to rebuild the histidine reserves.

And they proved in many studies that levels of carnosine go way down with aging. Not sure why they are giving carnosine to people instead of histidine, beta alanine screws up your taurine and histidine increases taurine.

 

[Helen]

Also you have to understand, that people are using NAC to chelate stuff. to me it is dangerous and worthless.

since thiol group will not hold the mercury or cadmium or any of that.

But cysteine with histidine make metalotheonine and that thing will hold mercury very tight.

 

[Orion]

Brewers yeast looks good, it has all the Bs and and all the aminos, histidine included, in what would seem proper amounts. Just need the HCL and greens for extra Cl and folate to help absorb them. Breaking 54 day fast this weekend, and will be incorporating this full plan from the [mention]gbolduev[/mention] protocol on the first page on this thread. I have every thing on hand, but will do a proper break before added in all the aminos, Bs, zinc, etc...