ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[tallglass13]

@gbolduev , I saw the study on the hair growth, but not the hair loss. but I feel my hair is getting stronger from the histdine and cysteine combined.

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev , I saw the study on the hair growth, but not the hair loss. but I feel my hair is getting stronger from the histdine and cysteine combined.

yes this what is also experienced by another person taking it now. Stronger thicker and darker hair

 

[Raincoast]

Been taking Zinc/Mang, and 1g cysteine for the last 2 months. Slow oxidizer with high copper. No hairloss, but my hairdresser stopped mid way through my last cut only to tell me that my hair is was thicker. I never asked. She's been cutting my hair for 20+ years. Also been taking amino's and hcl as of late. Added carnosine recently, 1g. We'll see if it continues. I also quit thryroid around the same time, so it could have been protein wasting related thinning perhaps.

 

[Greg313]

I suspect that I have higher than normal histamine levels because of premature ejaculation. Would taking L-histidine be a bad idea?

However the past couple months I’ve been on 25 mg of Zinc with 8 mg of Mn and my hair has become darker and thicker. Notice some new small hairs growing in certain spots. Would like to add some amino acids to my regimen. Any recommendations @gbolduev ? I have to admit I haven’t done a hair test yet.

 

[Aleksandr]

Always wondered about Ray Peat mentioning that his father cured his diabetes (type II I believe) just using brewers yeast and nothing else. Brewers yeast has all the zinc finger vitamins, minerals and aminos... in most likely the proper amounts.

Where did you get the nutrition data for it? I can't find one that shows the aminos. It also doesn't seem to have phosphorous? Other than that it does look good for our purposes.

 

[gaivs]

I started yesterday a combination of cysteine histidine and folic acid. Wow, almost no brain fog and fatigue today. Good feeling of well being. Had a small libido burst too, but nothing huge yet.

 

[Canari]

I started yesterday a combination of cysteine histidine and folic acid. Wow, almost no brain fog and fatigue today. Good feeling of well being. Had a small libido burst too, but nothing huge yet.

Great! Also great that sb tries and reports!
How would it be to separate the theory talk from the actual trials? Either start it or split the topic...

 

[Orion]

Where did you get the nutrition data for it? I can't find one that shows the aminos. It also doesn't seem to have phosphorous? Other than that it does look good for our purposes.

I have this one; this one has them listed

http://bluebonnetnutrition.com/product/215/Super_Earth_Brewer's_Yeast_Powder

 

[tallglass13]

Took @TubZy advice, and took only 250mg cysteine and 250mg Histidine, leaving OUT the zinc/copper... last night. woke up with morning wood . stayed in bed since didn't have to be to work until 1030, and the erection maintained while I slept in .

 

[Ailaeshiz]

When I search for cysteine on Amazon it suggests N-Acetyl-Cysteine. Is one preferable to the other?

 

[Scenes]

Definitely not n-acetyl cysteine. Has to be l-cysteine, preferably in hcl form.

I’m still waiting on histidine to arrive but just cysteine and copper has changed things.

Erections better, I’d say a non-issue now. Libido great. Sensitivity much improved.

Hair slightly thicker maybe. Skin definitely drier, face looks a bit worn and I have very minor dry peeling skin on a couple of spots on my hands.

Could add zinc but I’m not sure yet. Will probably just add histidine and see what changes.

 

[Ailaeshiz]

Could you explain why one is preferable to the other @Scenes

 

[Scenes]

Gbold said so. He explained earlier about nac not being preferable for chelating heavy metals. It was my first question when cysteine was mentioned.

Go back a few pages and read. Must admit it’s getting a bit messy with 2-3 threads discussing this theory now, I can’t tell you which one it’s in.

 

[Aleksandr]

Gbold said so. He explained earlier about nac not being preferable for chelating heavy metals. It was my first question when cysteine was mentioned.

Go back a few pages and read. Must admit it’s getting a bit messy with 2-3 threads discussing this theory now, I can’t tell you which one it’s in.

Its the Gbolduev way. I think theres a deep hidden symbolic message in the messiness of his threads/theories/explanations: it reflects the chaotic nature of life...

So deep man...

 

[Helen]

Copper alone lowers thyroid thus dry skin. Usually given with potassium and magnesium plus selenium and vit D

 

[Helen]

Found an interesting study.

Researchers have identified more than 20 mutations in the HFE gene that cause a form of hereditary hemochromatosis called type 1. Two particular mutations are responsible for most cases of this disorder. Each of these mutations changes one of the protein building blocks (amino acids) in the HFE protein. One mutation replaces the amino acid cysteine with the amino acid tyrosine at position 282 in the protein's chain of amino acids (written as Cys282Tyr or C282Y). The other mutation replaces the amino acid histidine with the amino acid aspartic acid at position 63 (written as His63Asp or H63D).
The Cys282Tyr mutation prevents the altered HFE protein from reaching the cell surface, so it cannot interact with hepcidin and transferrin receptors. As a result, iron regulation is disrupted, and too much iron is absorbed from the diet. This increase in the absorption of dietary iron leads to the iron overload characteristic of type 1 hemochromatosis.

 

[Shadow]

@gbolduev I will try the protocol, do you think that it can work for pssd too?

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev I will try the protocol, do you think that it can work for pssd too?

I think it is just a matter of figuring out which component of zinc finger you need to adjust. for some it could be zinc, for some it could be cysteine, or histidine.

I would go on histidine and cysteine, and see how you do. and then adjust to slow or fast oxider plans.

LIke for fast, it is copper cysteine magnesium potassium selenium vit d. for slow it is more manganese zinc histidine.

We are still experimenting. So I am not sure of the exact setups. If you are not sure, just wait a little bit until we clean out the protocols better

the original zinc finger protocol is when you take everything which is outlined. People are just taking little parts of the protocol now and trying things out.

I would assume it will work for PSSD also

 

[Shadow]

I think it is just a matter to figure out which component of zinc finger you need to adjust. for some it coudl be zinc, for some it could be cysteine, or histidine.

I would go on histidine and cysteine, and see how you do. and then adjust to slow or fast oxider plans.

LIke for fast, it is copper cysteine magnesium potassium selenium vit d. for slow it is more manganese zinc histidine.

We are still experimenting. So I am not sure of the exact setups. If you are not sure, just wait a little bit until we clean out the protocols better

Ok.

Oh and let me tell you something, I went to a new Dr because of my high insulin, eventually I told him about pssd, he immediately look at my high prog and aldosterone, and he told me some things pretty similar to what we discussed here about prog and K interaction and how it could cause this kind of thing(not only sexual problems), I found it very interesting, he even talked about RU hehehe, but he want to address my aldosterone problem first, I think he wants to rule out some tumor or whatever(his specialty is adrenals).

 

[Helen]

@TubZy I think you should post your update. You are experienced in this.

Ok.

Oh and let me tell you something, I went to a new Dr because of my high insulin, eventually I told him about pssd, he immediately look at my high prog and aldosterone, and he told me some things pretty similar to what we discussed here about prog and K interaction and how it could cause this kind of thing(not only sexual problems), I found it very interesting, he even talked about RU hehehe, but he want to address my aldosterone problem first, I think he wants to rule out some tumor or whatever(his specialty is adrenals).

there is no tumor , bud LOL Tell him you dont have Conn's syndrome. Waste of money to test that,