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TubZy

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nice bro. so we're both fast oxidizers (unless mine has changed since I crashed) maybe explains why i resonate with your posts a lot lol. 'fast oxidizer mindset'

yes, haha most likely. It makes sense why I feel better on fats now like ice cream and shit, since it is slowing me down a bit. I mainly eat low fat diet which is not that good for fast oxidisers..
 

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Yeah, if the PFS symptoms are gone and your metabolism is running high that probably accounts for the sky-high Na/K. As you take in more K, your body has to balance it by taking in more Na as well.

I imagine once you go off the protocol your body will slowly return to a more balanced state. The goal is to return to a state where you don't take anything anyway, and you're probably pretty close to that point. I don't think you should do anything to try and re-balance. I think your body will balance on it's own over time.

Your phosphate still isn't super high, so that means ATP synthesis isn't super high and metabolism isn't high in the truest sense. You could always add in some phosphate rich food just in case there is a bit of deficiency there. And then go off the electrolyte protocol and maybe fast a bit or exercise a lot to get Na/K down.

Yes, good point I was thinking the same. Also, I get frequent muscle cramps all the time but I just ignore them majority of the time, but it makes sense now since all the stress my kidneys are probably under with those electrolyte ranges.

Do you think I handled betaine HCL well at high doses since I'm a fast oxidizer and the betaine HCL was slowing me down a bit?
 

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Got a quick chat with gbol, didn't get to fully look over the test, but both decided to give ARL's suggestions a shot first and see. So I ordered what they suggested and will test it out.

I haven't taken anything now in like five days and my libido is still very strong. Mild fatigue still but not that bad and still a bit harder to wind down before bed.

@brix have you tried anything yet to specifically address being a fast oxidizer in the relation to PFS?
 

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Got a quick chat with gbol, didn't get to fully look over the test, but both decided to give ARL's suggestions a shot first and see. So I ordered what they suggested and will test it out.

I haven't taken anything now in like five days and my libido is still very strong. Mild fatigue still but not that bad and still a bit harder to wind down before bed.

@brix have you tried anything yet to specifically address being a fast oxidizer in the relation to PFS?

I tried gbolds recommendation of calcium, mag, potassium, and copper with good results until I tried Ella. Might go back on that protocol when my result are back.
 

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hey Tubzy, one question that it is not clear to me:
whe gbolduev says "to tank potassium", what does it exactly mean?
Does it mean we have to rise potassium in the cell or what else?
Thank you.
 

TubZy

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What did they rec'd?

Some supplements like these. Ended getting all of the stuff they suggested, will try when I get it. Their forms and doses are very different than other supplements so curious to see how I feel.

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Potassium dumps out of the cell. So PFS state potassium is stuck in the cell and nothing works (i.e. metabolism etc).

Sorry but it's still confusing:

Does it mean we have to raise potassium in the cell or what else?
Do we need to raise or lower potassium in the cell?
If we were not PFS state, would potassium be exiting the cell?
Do we want to "tank" potassium as in remove it or replace it in the cell?

I think there's a differential. Potassium is inside and outside the cell.
 

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Google: "Potassium is the major cation (positive ion) inside animal cells, while sodium is the major cation outside animal cells. The difference between the concentrations of these charged particles causes a difference in electric potential between the inside and outside of cells, known as the membrane potential."

Do we want to change the membrane potential and the difference between the sodium and potassium concentrations?
And also change the concentration of chloride ions (principle anions that are outside the cell)?
 
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Do we want to "tank" potassium as in remove it or replace it in the cell?

"tank" is basically making it work. (Think of it as going up on the hair test)
If you make potassium work (tank) but are deficient in it, your potassium will be even lower than before, because it got used up. You slow your metabolism down.
If you make potassium work (tank) and supplement with potassium, you are fine.

If you kickstart your metabolism without having fuel, it will crash.
 

wuf

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"tank" is basically making it work. (Think of it as going up on the hair test)
If you make potassium work (tank) but are deficient in it, your potassium will be even lower than before, because it got used up. You slow your metabolism down.
If you make potassium work (tank) and supplement with potassium, you are fine.
If you kickstart your metabolism without having fuel, it will crash.
So basically, the trial we can do is to supplement potassium and see if this is making it work again? (As suggested by the health protocol)
Or the other way is to follow the hairtest suggestions after having had the hairtest done, right?
 

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So basically, the trial we can do is to supplement potassium and see if this is making it work again? (As suggested by the health protocol)
Or the other way is to follow the hairtest suggestions after having had the hairtest done, right?

Just simply adding potassium doesn't really work since potassium is already stuck inside the cell and not being used up. That is why everything that "tanks" potassium should be taken with potassium at the same time. Like @HerrFisch said, once you tank potassium it gets used up that is why you take potassium at the same time.

Betaine HCL tanks potassium (electrolyte protocol), which is why you take potassium with it. Copper tanks potassium which is why you take potassium with it. Aspirin which is an acid tanks potassium that is why you take potassium with it. If you don't take potassium with it, metabolism drops and you feel like shit.

Hair test is good because you get an idea of what your electrolyte and mineral status is.
 

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Interesting hairtest @TubZy what were you eating the months prior to testing/which supps were you taking?
 

wuf

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Just simply adding potassium doesn't really work since potassium is already stuck inside the cell and not being used up. That is why everything that "tanks" potassium should be taken with potassium at the same time. Like @HerrFisch said, once you tank potassium it gets used up that is why you take potassium at the same time.

Betaine HCL tanks potassium (electrolyte protocol), which is why you take potassium with it. Copper tanks potassium which is why you take potassium with it. Aspirin which is an acid tanks potassium that is why you take potassium with it. If you don't take potassium with it, metabolism drops and you feel like shit.

Hair test is good because you get an idea of what your electrolyte and mineral status is.
Do you have any explanation of why I felt better on bhetaine hcl, whey and digestive enzymes even if I did not add the potassium supplementation?
 

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Do you have any explanation of why I felt better on bhetaine hcl, whey and digestive enzymes even if I did not add the potassium supplementation?

You told me twice you felt great when you added potassium chloride in lol, did you switch your regimen again or high on painkillers??

Either way, you were probably absorbing more potassium from foods/liquids since you were taking the betaine HCL with enzymes which would increase digestion and nutrient uptake. So you were getting a sufficient amount from foods alone. @gbolduev has mentioned this before as well, meaning enzymes and HCL increase electrolyte absorption from natural foods. That is why the electrolyte dosages are all over the place for different people.
 

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Pretty OK overall I would say, but I definitely fit the description of the fast oxidizer they described in the analysis for sure. My libido is pretty high as well, morning wood etc. just still feel a little "go go go" mentality and less calmer, i.e. harder to wind down at the end of the day.

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hey tubzy i feel like i asked u so many times but i always forget the last part. I know RU and fasting helped you a lot but what got your libido back to 100%?

was it histidine? histidine is also in pine pollen too right.. is that in significant quantities? currently on andro 600mg cycle rn. I feel way better on andro