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Also i saw a video of an old guy with parkinson that after breathing for 2 hours h2 he stops shacking. So the gas should reach the brain and reduce OH

yes, it probably does. this is why I said that I like the gas better. since it has a chance to reach the brain.

But dont forget usually people breath thru good machines, not some 20cc/min crap.
And even protonated water by slowing metabolism will lower free radical formation.
 
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sorry for my ignorace but what is a keto state and is it a good place to be?

I think it depends on the persons genetics. Eg) More Northern Europeans might do better on it as it matches the climate. For example eskimo's almost only survive on whale blubber in the winter. Whereas Africans I think do much better with carbs because the climate lends to it. My ancestry is Greek so it's in between that and I don't really have any problem with any food group I feel best with just higher quality whole foods of course and less processed.
 

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I think it depends on the persons genetics. Eg) More Northern Europeans might do better on it as it matches the climate. For example eskimo's almost only survive on whale blubber in the winter. Whereas Africans I think do much better with carbs because the climate lends to it. My ancestry is Greek so it's in between that and I don't really have any problem with any food group I feel best with just higher quality whole foods of course and less processed.
It’s a ketogenic state @heygate have you heard of ketogenic diet?
 

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Oh, one last thing - this is why I think slow-oxidizers can do really well on low-calcium diets but with very high vitamin D supplementation. Vitamin D supplementation in deficient people increases mitochondrial function significantly.

Improving the Vitamin D Status of Vitamin D Deficient Adults Is Associated With Improved Mitochondrial Oxidative Function in Skeletal Muscle | The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism | Oxford Academic

But I think you need to keep calcium intake quite low, otherwise other tissues become super-saturated with calcium, which isn't good. Slow-oxidizers are ideal candidates for pre-industrial and even some pre-agricultural diets/lifestyles. Low calcium, lots of sun exposure (vitamin D), lots of exercise, low calorie intakes but with enough protein, and super high amounts of potassium, manganese, molybdenum, and folate (e.g. leafy greens, beans, things that come from the ground).


Matty. Also dont forget that slow and fast oxidation as per ARL or TEI in my book is not correct. They often show people with high calcium lower potassium , lower magnesium and higher or equal to magnesium as slow oxidizers. These people are not slow oxidizers, they have respiratory problems and stuck in parasympathetic state, thus these people do better on calcium since calcium speeds up their breathing. But it isnt the calcium that they need really, it is acetylcholine balance. or serotonin.

These people go into slow carbs oxidation since they dont have the ability to get rid of CO2 properly.



This is why on high carb diet. or 80 10 10 diet. The balance in hair will be this. lower potassium higher calcium, higher sodium, lower magnesium. Body will increase sodium and calcium to ventilate faster. And in these chemistries usually zinc is highish on the hairtest, since it goes up to increase Carbonic anhydrase.

SO I think the calcium thing you are talking about is this scenario. And I still dont think it is good.

Usually these kind of people try active bs, calcium etc. and they feel better on it. They need to take care of their acetylcholine. Usually the problem that effects their breathing drive is there,

Dont forget that vitamin D increases phosphorus uptake which will not be ideal for people with resp problems, since phosphorus is high in blood since there is no need for glycolysis.


Slow oxidiation when calcium and magnesium are really high. and slow oxidation when calcium is high but magnesium is low. ARE 2 completely different things, and I think this is where ARL is wrong by classifying it in that manner. And people are quiet confused.

We can give those people what they will do good on, and that is a little zinc and calcium or vitamin D. and active Bs to increase the adrenaline or coffee. but that will put those minerals even higher in the cell and that is just a supportive therapy that probably can back fire over time since those people already run on functional copper deficiency since the zinc calcium levels are increased in the cell and copper is decreased to support the need for extra ventilation.

I think may be provoking those oxidizers with acetazolamide as cycles will restore their resp drive. Or may be trying to increase the levels of acetylcholinestrase along with feeding copper could make them recover also.


Anyway, I am also thinking about this as we have many cases it seems with the respiratory disorder parasympathetic disorder and those people still get classified as slow oxidiziers. Since they look like slow oxidizers with the stupid ratios on the hairtest. And classic slow oxidizer does not have a respiratory problem, that person is lacking thyroid effect. And usually a slow oxidizer can hold breath FOR EVER

But we dont see many classic slow oxidizers with these drug induced disorders.

Look into how we can alter acetylcholinesterase and increase the breathing drive of those people/ IF we do that. Then calcium and zinc need will come down and their metabolism will lift on its own and magnesium levels will rise so will potassium. and copper will rise in the cell giving them emotions, since copper will be used for carb metabolism . thru cytochrome. And if they dont breath out CO2 nicely , then copper is just out. Since it will increase Co2 production.


Look at the hairest of Barbaar, Concerned, etc. These are the good examples where people get classified as slow oxidizers, but they have stuck in parasympathetic state and you see their zinc is higher on the hairtest/ and these people when they take acidic stuff have crazy responses with adrenaline since they are already trying to ventilate as much as they can. And their supportive strategy will be calcium , folate and sodum, vitamin D and zinc.



But that is a supportive strategy that I think will make their problem worse since if they quit those extra zinc calcium sodium then will be even worse than before.


OF COURSE since we dont know if the minerals on the hairtest show the cell or this is what the body is losing or wasting., then we can assume that there is a possibility of what I have just said to be exactly reverse.

Meaning these people are hyperventilating and the body is getting rid of calcium sodium and zinc.

In this case we need to add things that increase acetycholine in these people like b1, manganese potassium. b5 cysteine.

So it is basically 2 things to try .



In any case, Calcium - increases muscles contractions speeds up sympathetic nervous system. Potassium acts like vagus nerv. slows it down.

Sodium increases adrenaline sensitivity increase sympathetic, magnesium blocks glutamate slows down sympathetic.

SO from the hairtest, we know what the body is doing. The only thing to figure out for sure, minerals high on hairtest= minerals in the cell? or this is the body getting rid of them to balance.

I did try to test carbs only diet, and I got high calcium high sodium, lower potassium and lower magnesium. Feeding zinc, increases bicarb and lowers CO2, so on the hairtest if you just feed zinc, you will have high potassium lower sodium, high magnesium , lower calcium. That also matched when I tired it.
 
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@Helen Do you realize that this is very confusing. When you say at first everybody should do hair test and follow their program and than you write like their program is wrong?? Unfortunately you didn't comment on my hair test at all. But hopefully when I fix my mercury issues. The body will balance itself..
 

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@Helen Do you realize that this is very confusing. When you say at first everybody should do hair test and follow their program and than you write like their program is wrong?? Unfortunately you didn't comment on my hair test at all. But hopefully when I fix my mercury issues. The body will balance itself..

Where did I say that their programs are wrong. I said the they classify people into fast and slow oxidizers and then people think oh I am a slow oxidizer I will just take stuff that Helen told me for the slow oxidizer.

I am saying that I am still experimenting myself with all this stuff and with different balances and looking for way to speed up ARl or TE program or find loop holes in them. I might be wrong. since those guys tested this for 40 years. I am just discussing things with Matty who is also experimenting with stuff. Matty is saying exactly what ARL gives to people so far. and I am trying to question the ARL program fit for all slow oxidziers, since to me, it is strange that one slow oxidizer will have low zinc and another high zinc and both will be given the same programs.

But again, I 'm just exploring and sharing my thoughts with Matty, who is also exploring.

And I think we need to stay open to all possibilities and if we find what works for everyone , most people will benefit. Since then I will be able to help people differently than ARL and may be much faster and more correctly.

As I mentioned before I did find many mismatches in ARL program. and I'm not sure if I dont understand something or they got it wrong, thus I am exploring still .

The fact that you did the hairtest is very good, I am experimenting with a couple of people now and if good, I will share it. Matty is constantly sharing news ideas also.
 
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@Yura Same thing as with hydrogen. I dont just go by studies, I am trying to understand how it works and then share it here, and point to people pluses and minuses. And always open for the discussion. And If I am wrong in something, I will admit that I am wrong and rebuild my system right away , since I dont want to build the system on wrong fundamental things.

We are basically still learning, all of us. And eventually we will get better and better. Thus everything that I say cant be taken as the only truth, it should be discussed and tried out and then we need to see how it works or does not work. and decide if we want to use it the way it is , or rebuild. It is a constant learning process. Especially with so many different cases and lives as we get here.
 

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@Yura Same as with the diet, some people go vegan and they think it is a clean diet and the best etc, Since it is helping them. Some other people go on ATkins and they think vegan people are insane and that atkins diet is what helps them and they feel awesome. Both of those people are correct, those diets helped those people since those people were in certain body chemistries which needed those diets., what they are doing wrong thou is later they go online and tell other people that they diet is clean and your diet is not and you should not eat this way and should eat like them, and giving this advice based on their case

Same as with hydrogen, or ozone water. Some people swear by hydrogen like Jay, and some people swear by ozone water. Both people are correct.
 

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@Yura, you see you are exactly in the same boat with barbaar and Concerned.

I am still thinking about this imbalance, and we will solve it soon. Just wait for a week.
 

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slow and fast oxidation as per ARL or TEI in my book is not correct. They often show people with high calcium lower potassium , lower magnesium and higher or equal to magnesium as slow oxidizers. These people are not slow oxidizers, they have respiratory problems and stuck in parasympathetic state, thus these people do better on calcium since calcium speeds up their breathing. But it isnt the calcium that they need really, it is acetylcholine balance. or serotonin.
on high carb diet. or 80 10 10 diet. The balance in hair will be this. lower potassium higher calcium, higher sodium, lower magnesium. Body will increase sodium and calcium to ventilate faster. And in these chemistries usually zinc is highish on the hairtest, since it goes up to increase Carbonic anhydrase.
as we have many cases it seems with the respiratory disorder parasympathetic disorder and those people still get classified as slow oxidiziers. Since they look like slow oxidizers with the stupid ratios on the hairtest. And classic slow oxidizer does not have a respiratory problem, that person is lacking thyroid effect. And usually a slow oxidizer can hold breath FOR EVER

But we dont see many classic slow oxidizers with these drug induced disorders.
OF COURSE since we dont know if the minerals on the hairtest show the cell or this is what the body is losing or wasting., then we can assume that there is a possibility of what I have just said to be exactly reverse.
SO from the hairtest, we know what the body is doing. The only thing to figure out for sure, minerals high on hairtest= minerals in the cell? or this is the body getting rid of them to balance.


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Matty. Also dont forget that slow and fast oxidation as per ARL or TEI in my book is not correct. They often show people with high calcium lower potassium , lower magnesium and higher or equal to magnesium as slow oxidizers. These people are not slow oxidizers, they have respiratory problems and stuck in parasympathetic state, thus these people do better on calcium since calcium speeds up their breathing. But it isnt the calcium that they need really, it is acetylcholine balance. or serotonin.

These people go into slow carbs oxidation since they dont have the ability to get rid of CO2 properly.



This is why on high carb diet. or 80 10 10 diet. The balance in hair will be this. lower potassium higher calcium, higher sodium, lower magnesium. Body will increase sodium and calcium to ventilate faster. And in these chemistries usually zinc is highish on the hairtest, since it goes up to increase Carbonic anhydrase.

SO I think the calcium thing you are talking about is this scenario. And I still dont think it is good.

Usually these kind of people try active bs, calcium etc. and they feel better on it. They need to take care of their acetylcholine. Usually the problem that effects their breathing drive is there,

Dont forget that vitamin D increases phosphorus uptake which will not be ideal for people with resp problems, since phosphorus is high in blood since there is no need for glycolysis.


Slow oxidiation when calcium and magnesium are really high. and slow oxidation when calcium is high but magnesium is low. ARE 2 completely different things, and I think this is where ARL is wrong by classifying it in that manner. And people are quiet confused.

We can give those people what they will do good on, and that is a little zinc and calcium or vitamin D. and active Bs to increase the adrenaline or coffee. but that will put those minerals even higher in the cell and that is just a supportive therapy that probably can back fire over time since those people already run on functional copper deficiency since the zinc calcium levels are increased in the cell and copper is decreased to support the need for extra ventilation.

I think may be provoking those oxidizers with acetazolamide as cycles will restore their resp drive. Or may be trying to increase the levels of acetylcholinestrase along with feeding copper could make them recover also.


Anyway, I am also thinking about this as we have many cases it seems with the respiratory disorder parasympathetic disorder and those people still get classified as slow oxidiziers. Since they look like slow oxidizers with the stupid ratios on the hairtest. And classic slow oxidizer does not have a respiratory problem, that person is lacking thyroid effect. And usually a slow oxidizer can hold breath FOR EVER

But we dont see many classic slow oxidizers with these drug induced disorders.

Look into how we can alter acetylcholinesterase and increase the breathing drive of those people/ IF we do that. Then calcium and zinc need will come down and their metabolism will lift on its own and magnesium levels will rise so will potassium. and copper will rise in the cell giving them emotions, since copper will be used for carb metabolism . thru cytochrome. And if they dont breath out CO2 nicely , then copper is just out. Since it will increase Co2 production.


Look at the hairest of Barbaar, Concerned, etc. These are the good examples where people get classified as slow oxidizers, but they have stuck in parasympathetic state and you see their zinc is higher on the hairtest/ and these people when they take acidic stuff have crazy responses with adrenaline since they are already trying to ventilate as much as they can. And their supportive strategy will be calcium , folate and sodum, vitamin D and zinc.



But that is a supportive strategy that I think will make their problem worse since if they quit those extra zinc calcium sodium then will be even worse than before.


OF COURSE since we dont know if the minerals on the hairtest show the cell or this is what the body is losing or wasting., then we can assume that there is a possibility of what I have just said to be exactly reverse.

Meaning these people are hyperventilating and the body is getting rid of calcium sodium and zinc.

In this case we need to add things that increase acetycholine in these people like b1, manganese potassium. b5 cysteine.

So it is basically 2 things to try .



In any case, Calcium - increases muscles contractions speeds up sympathetic nervous system. Potassium acts like vagus nerv. slows it down.

Sodium increases adrenaline sensitivity increase sympathetic, magnesium blocks glutamate slows down sympathetic.

SO from the hairtest, we know what the body is doing. The only thing to figure out for sure, minerals high on hairtest= minerals in the cell? or this is the body getting rid of them to balance.

I did try to test carbs only diet, and I got high calcium high sodium, lower potassium and lower magnesium. Feeding zinc, increases bicarb and lowers CO2, so on the hairtest if you just feed zinc, you will have high potassium lower sodium, high magnesium , lower calcium. That also matched when I tired it.

Do you think i could have this respiratory problem as well ? The ferrarelle water i'm drinking is high in silica and calcium and not only it reminiralised my theeth but it is also helping with my "lack of adrenaline" attacks (difficult breathing, deidrathathion, change in heart beat, sybtoms that appear just if i stress a little bit and they appear almost immediately during the stress time), unless silica also plays a role in this i should suspect that calcium is the main healper ? But in the past i tried calcium supps and i think they didn't help
 

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Matty. Also dont forget that slow and fast oxidation as per ARL or TEI in my book is not correct. They often show people with high calcium lower potassium , lower magnesium and higher or equal to magnesium as slow oxidizers. These people are not slow oxidizers, they have respiratory problems and stuck in parasympathetic state, thus these people do better on calcium since calcium speeds up their breathing. But it isnt the calcium that they need really, it is acetylcholine balance. or serotonin.

These people go into slow carbs oxidation since they dont have the ability to get rid of CO2 properly.



This is why on high carb diet. or 80 10 10 diet. The balance in hair will be this. lower potassium higher calcium, higher sodium, lower magnesium. Body will increase sodium and calcium to ventilate faster. And in these chemistries usually zinc is highish on the hairtest, since it goes up to increase Carbonic anhydrase.

SO I think the calcium thing you are talking about is this scenario. And I still dont think it is good.

Usually these kind of people try active bs, calcium etc. and they feel better on it. They need to take care of their acetylcholine. Usually the problem that effects their breathing drive is there,

Dont forget that vitamin D increases phosphorus uptake which will not be ideal for people with resp problems, since phosphorus is high in blood since there is no need for glycolysis.


Slow oxidiation when calcium and magnesium are really high. and slow oxidation when calcium is high but magnesium is low. ARE 2 completely different things, and I think this is where ARL is wrong by classifying it in that manner. And people are quiet confused.

We can give those people what they will do good on, and that is a little zinc and calcium or vitamin D. and active Bs to increase the adrenaline or coffee. but that will put those minerals even higher in the cell and that is just a supportive therapy that probably can back fire over time since those people already run on functional copper deficiency since the zinc calcium levels are increased in the cell and copper is decreased to support the need for extra ventilation.

I think may be provoking those oxidizers with acetazolamide as cycles will restore their resp drive. Or may be trying to increase the levels of acetylcholinestrase along with feeding copper could make them recover also.


Anyway, I am also thinking about this as we have many cases it seems with the respiratory disorder parasympathetic disorder and those people still get classified as slow oxidiziers. Since they look like slow oxidizers with the stupid ratios on the hairtest. And classic slow oxidizer does not have a respiratory problem, that person is lacking thyroid effect. And usually a slow oxidizer can hold breath FOR EVER

But we dont see many classic slow oxidizers with these drug induced disorders.

Look into how we can alter acetylcholinesterase and increase the breathing drive of those people/ IF we do that. Then calcium and zinc need will come down and their metabolism will lift on its own and magnesium levels will rise so will potassium. and copper will rise in the cell giving them emotions, since copper will be used for carb metabolism . thru cytochrome. And if they dont breath out CO2 nicely , then copper is just out. Since it will increase Co2 production.


Look at the hairest of Barbaar, Concerned, etc. These are the good examples where people get classified as slow oxidizers, but they have stuck in parasympathetic state and you see their zinc is higher on the hairtest/ and these people when they take acidic stuff have crazy responses with adrenaline since they are already trying to ventilate as much as they can. And their supportive strategy will be calcium , folate and sodum, vitamin D and zinc.



But that is a supportive strategy that I think will make their problem worse since if they quit those extra zinc calcium sodium then will be even worse than before.


OF COURSE since we dont know if the minerals on the hairtest show the cell or this is what the body is losing or wasting., then we can assume that there is a possibility of what I have just said to be exactly reverse.

Meaning these people are hyperventilating and the body is getting rid of calcium sodium and zinc.

In this case we need to add things that increase acetycholine in these people like b1, manganese potassium. b5 cysteine.

So it is basically 2 things to try .



In any case, Calcium - increases muscles contractions speeds up sympathetic nervous system. Potassium acts like vagus nerv. slows it down.

Sodium increases adrenaline sensitivity increase sympathetic, magnesium blocks glutamate slows down sympathetic.

SO from the hairtest, we know what the body is doing. The only thing to figure out for sure, minerals high on hairtest= minerals in the cell? or this is the body getting rid of them to balance.

I did try to test carbs only diet, and I got high calcium high sodium, lower potassium and lower magnesium. Feeding zinc, increases bicarb and lowers CO2, so on the hairtest if you just feed zinc, you will have high potassium lower sodium, high magnesium , lower calcium. That also matched when I tired it.
Interesting Helen. Seems like I fit the bill well (slow one: high calcium, lowish magnesium, lowish sodium and zinc higher than copper). The ARL program so far has done little. They give me calcium, magnesium, zinc, chromium, manganese and a bit of boron somewhere.

New hairtest will be interesting. Will have it in 2 weeks.
 

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Matty. Also dont forget that slow and fast oxidation as per ARL or TEI in my book is not correct. They often show people with high calcium lower potassium , lower magnesium and higher or equal to magnesium as slow oxidizers. These people are not slow oxidizers, they have respiratory problems and stuck in parasympathetic state, thus these people do better on calcium since calcium speeds up their breathing. But it isnt the calcium that they need really, it is acetylcholine balance. or serotonin.

These people go into slow carbs oxidation since they dont have the ability to get rid of CO2 properly.



This is why on high carb diet. or 80 10 10 diet. The balance in hair will be this. lower potassium higher calcium, higher sodium, lower magnesium. Body will increase sodium and calcium to ventilate faster. And in these chemistries usually zinc is highish on the hairtest, since it goes up to increase Carbonic anhydrase.

SO I think the calcium thing you are talking about is this scenario. And I still dont think it is good.

Usually these kind of people try active bs, calcium etc. and they feel better on it. They need to take care of their acetylcholine. Usually the problem that effects their breathing drive is there,

Dont forget that vitamin D increases phosphorus uptake which will not be ideal for people with resp problems, since phosphorus is high in blood since there is no need for glycolysis.


Slow oxidiation when calcium and magnesium are really high. and slow oxidation when calcium is high but magnesium is low. ARE 2 completely different things, and I think this is where ARL is wrong by classifying it in that manner. And people are quiet confused.

We can give those people what they will do good on, and that is a little zinc and calcium or vitamin D. and active Bs to increase the adrenaline or coffee. but that will put those minerals even higher in the cell and that is just a supportive therapy that probably can back fire over time since those people already run on functional copper deficiency since the zinc calcium levels are increased in the cell and copper is decreased to support the need for extra ventilation.

I think may be provoking those oxidizers with acetazolamide as cycles will restore their resp drive. Or may be trying to increase the levels of acetylcholinestrase along with feeding copper could make them recover also.


Anyway, I am also thinking about this as we have many cases it seems with the respiratory disorder parasympathetic disorder and those people still get classified as slow oxidiziers. Since they look like slow oxidizers with the stupid ratios on the hairtest. And classic slow oxidizer does not have a respiratory problem, that person is lacking thyroid effect. And usually a slow oxidizer can hold breath FOR EVER

But we dont see many classic slow oxidizers with these drug induced disorders.

Look into how we can alter acetylcholinesterase and increase the breathing drive of those people/ IF we do that. Then calcium and zinc need will come down and their metabolism will lift on its own and magnesium levels will rise so will potassium. and copper will rise in the cell giving them emotions, since copper will be used for carb metabolism . thru cytochrome. And if they dont breath out CO2 nicely , then copper is just out. Since it will increase Co2 production.


Look at the hairest of Barbaar, Concerned, etc. These are the good examples where people get classified as slow oxidizers, but they have stuck in parasympathetic state and you see their zinc is higher on the hairtest/ and these people when they take acidic stuff have crazy responses with adrenaline since they are already trying to ventilate as much as they can. And their supportive strategy will be calcium , folate and sodum, vitamin D and zinc.



But that is a supportive strategy that I think will make their problem worse since if they quit those extra zinc calcium sodium then will be even worse than before.


OF COURSE since we dont know if the minerals on the hairtest show the cell or this is what the body is losing or wasting., then we can assume that there is a possibility of what I have just said to be exactly reverse.

Meaning these people are hyperventilating and the body is getting rid of calcium sodium and zinc.

In this case we need to add things that increase acetycholine in these people like b1, manganese potassium. b5 cysteine.

So it is basically 2 things to try .



In any case, Calcium - increases muscles contractions speeds up sympathetic nervous system. Potassium acts like vagus nerv. slows it down.

Sodium increases adrenaline sensitivity increase sympathetic, magnesium blocks glutamate slows down sympathetic.

SO from the hairtest, we know what the body is doing. The only thing to figure out for sure, minerals high on hairtest= minerals in the cell? or this is the body getting rid of them to balance.

I did try to test carbs only diet, and I got high calcium high sodium, lower potassium and lower magnesium. Feeding zinc, increases bicarb and lowers CO2, so on the hairtest if you just feed zinc, you will have high potassium lower sodium, high magnesium , lower calcium. That also matched when I tired it.

Do you think this could be me, @Helen ?
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I quit hydrogen water today after a two week trial. The dry skin, shocks and broken sleep aren't any good indicators that it is doing me any good, me thinks.

Might go on another trial somewhere down the road. Want to focuss on ARL as much as possible.
 

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yes it also looks the same.

This is interesting and confusing. TEI have me as a slow oxidiser.

Do you think I should add more calcium to my diet? My calcium is very high so TEI says to avoid dairy in report. Hair loss is my reason for being on this forum.
 

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I’ve been having bad chemical depression, fatigue crashes as I raised hydrogen these past 5 days now from .5-.75L per day to 2-3L per day. They weren’t expected but I figured were a possibility with increased chelation (and this happened when I initially began h2).

This morning I was feeling really good then ejaculation drove me into another bad crash. Made me think it’s possible I depleted myself of potassium and thus cortisol as we lose electrolytes with orgasm. I usually do good with orgasm until this.

Should I be increasing potassium? Which other vitamins, minerals should we be paying attention to with @Helen ’s recent findings?

I’m considering dropping hydrogen during my fast. Essentially start tapering a week or two before and just slowly drop during the fast. I figure a fast is the best time For body to get back into balance.

@mattyb would love to hear your thoughts on this too.

And as much as the above sucks. Libido doing well. Even getting randoms.
 
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Matty. Also dont forget that slow and fast oxidation as per ARL or TEI in my book is not correct. They often show people with high calcium lower potassium , lower magnesium and higher or equal to magnesium as slow oxidizers. These people are not slow oxidizers, they have respiratory problems and stuck in parasympathetic state, thus these people do better on calcium since calcium speeds up their breathing. But it isnt the calcium that they need really, it is acetylcholine balance. or serotonin.

These people go into slow carbs oxidation since they dont have the ability to get rid of CO2 properly.



This is why on high carb diet. or 80 10 10 diet. The balance in hair will be this. lower potassium higher calcium, higher sodium, lower magnesium. Body will increase sodium and calcium to ventilate faster. And in these chemistries usually zinc is highish on the hairtest, since it goes up to increase Carbonic anhydrase.

SO I think the calcium thing you are talking about is this scenario. And I still dont think it is good.

Usually these kind of people try active bs, calcium etc. and they feel better on it. They need to take care of their acetylcholine. Usually the problem that effects their breathing drive is there,

Dont forget that vitamin D increases phosphorus uptake which will not be ideal for people with resp problems, since phosphorus is high in blood since there is no need for glycolysis.


Slow oxidiation when calcium and magnesium are really high. and slow oxidation when calcium is high but magnesium is low. ARE 2 completely different things, and I think this is where ARL is wrong by classifying it in that manner. And people are quiet confused.

We can give those people what they will do good on, and that is a little zinc and calcium or vitamin D. and active Bs to increase the adrenaline or coffee. but that will put those minerals even higher in the cell and that is just a supportive therapy that probably can back fire over time since those people already run on functional copper deficiency since the zinc calcium levels are increased in the cell and copper is decreased to support the need for extra ventilation.

I think may be provoking those oxidizers with acetazolamide as cycles will restore their resp drive. Or may be trying to increase the levels of acetylcholinestrase along with feeding copper could make them recover also.


Anyway, I am also thinking about this as we have many cases it seems with the respiratory disorder parasympathetic disorder and those people still get classified as slow oxidiziers. Since they look like slow oxidizers with the stupid ratios on the hairtest. And classic slow oxidizer does not have a respiratory problem, that person is lacking thyroid effect. And usually a slow oxidizer can hold breath FOR EVER

But we dont see many classic slow oxidizers with these drug induced disorders.

Look into how we can alter acetylcholinesterase and increase the breathing drive of those people/ IF we do that. Then calcium and zinc need will come down and their metabolism will lift on its own and magnesium levels will rise so will potassium. and copper will rise in the cell giving them emotions, since copper will be used for carb metabolism . thru cytochrome. And if they dont breath out CO2 nicely , then copper is just out. Since it will increase Co2 production.


Look at the hairest of Barbaar, Concerned, etc. These are the good examples where people get classified as slow oxidizers, but they have stuck in parasympathetic state and you see their zinc is higher on the hairtest/ and these people when they take acidic stuff have crazy responses with adrenaline since they are already trying to ventilate as much as they can. And their supportive strategy will be calcium , folate and sodum, vitamin D and zinc.



But that is a supportive strategy that I think will make their problem worse since if they quit those extra zinc calcium sodium then will be even worse than before.


OF COURSE since we dont know if the minerals on the hairtest show the cell or this is what the body is losing or wasting., then we can assume that there is a possibility of what I have just said to be exactly reverse.

Meaning these people are hyperventilating and the body is getting rid of calcium sodium and zinc.

In this case we need to add things that increase acetycholine in these people like b1, manganese potassium. b5 cysteine.

So it is basically 2 things to try .



In any case, Calcium - increases muscles contractions speeds up sympathetic nervous system. Potassium acts like vagus nerv. slows it down.

Sodium increases adrenaline sensitivity increase sympathetic, magnesium blocks glutamate slows down sympathetic.

SO from the hairtest, we know what the body is doing. The only thing to figure out for sure, minerals high on hairtest= minerals in the cell? or this is the body getting rid of them to balance.

I did try to test carbs only diet, and I got high calcium high sodium, lower potassium and lower magnesium. Feeding zinc, increases bicarb and lowers CO2, so on the hairtest if you just feed zinc, you will have high potassium lower sodium, high magnesium , lower calcium. That also matched when I tired it.
My experience with zinc did exactly this.

What do you think would be the effect of a ketogenic, or at least high fat diet, on a hair test?