Hair loss theory

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tallglass13 said:
I don't know , but I believe Helen stated that when we don't have cortisol we then run on adrenaline,
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Can you please tell me , your bloods again. Since you mentioned that you have high DHEA and ANDROSTENEDIOL but I read that many people actually have high Androstenedione along with DHEA wth the hairloss.

Since in one case it is 3 beta hsd that will be more active.


I have read that Finasteride actually causes high levels of androstenedione. Effect of Finasteride on Serum Androstenedione and Risk of Prostate Cancer Within the Prostate Cancer Prevention Trial: Differential Effect on High- and Low-grade Disease - ScienceDirect


It would be nice if people who took fin posted their tests about these hormones and also people who never took fin but have the hairloss.


Also tell me if you took fin or not.




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Actually, when I was talking about DHEA and 5 Delta Androstenediol, that was Haiduts personal opinion on why guys go bald. He stated that 5 Delta androstenediol was being built up from DHEA due to low metabolic rate.
Yes, I took Avodart and finasteride. My DHEA was 348 ng which is higher end of normal. my testosterone is 700, but my free T is only 8, which is low.
 
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I never took fin but got my hair analysis test done , what do I need to test in blood ?
Helen said:
Can you please tell me , your bloods again. Since you mentioned that you have high DHEA and ANDROSTENEDIOL but I read that many people actually have high Androstenedione along with DHEA wth the hairloss.

Since in one case it is 3 beta hsd that will be more active.


I have read that Finasteride actually causes high levels of androstenedione. Effect of Finasteride on Serum Androstenedione and Risk of Prostate Cancer Within the Prostate Cancer Prevention Trial: Differential Effect on High- and Low-grade Disease - ScienceDirect


It would be nice if people who took fin posted their tests about these hormones and also people who never took fin but have the hairloss.


Also tell me if you took fin or not.




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Potion said:
If balding is a sign of dysfunctional health, I can't believe I ever listened to haidut.
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I’ve felt like that a lot since beginning this journey toward better health. Anything that felt androgenic or made me feel strong also made my hair look worse.

I still assume there is a balance somewhere but it’s elusive for sure! I think hairloss is a marker of aging more than anything else, and a healthy libido and general sexual functioning is far more critical in terms of general human health...I still want both though!

Haidut has mentioned before that he agrees with peat on most health/hair points but disagrees as to how possible or likely regrowth is. He obviously hasn’t achieved it himself. Having said that, the only complete regrowth I’ve seen is from transgender people or systemic estrogen.
 
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According to TEI i'm slow oxidizer, but i have high progesterone, high CO2 and high cortisol (also high ACTH)... So your theory doesnt work on me @Helen
 
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Kiwiii said:
According to TEI i'm slow oxidizer, but i have high progesterone, high CO2 and high cortisol (also high ACTH)... So your theory doesnt work on me @Helen
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Are you PFS. And you are taking antidpressant ? Please also post your hairtest. I dont know why people dont put the hairtest under their name. So people can just look it up instead of searching for it all over.
 
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What's recommended right now? I was using Progesterone... now I've stopped it for 3 weeks. Wondering if I should hop back on it or not..

EDIT: Looks like lots of talk about cortisol and lack thereof, and running on adrenaline... so. In that case, it seems like Progesterone would be beneficial then for hair loss...
 
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Helen said:
Even in slow metabolism by killing 3 beta hsd it will probably benefit your hair. Since the body cant handle the metabolic rate even if it is very very slow.

This is why we have people @TubZy who see that when they kill their metabolism with something their hair is thicker, but they feel very very slow.

But the idea is not to kill the metabolism , but to allow the body to produce enough horomones and antioxidants to raise the metabolism

LIke in 3 beta hsd deficiency, the actual enzyme is not deficient. it is fine. The problem is NAD. Without NAD this enzyme does not make progesterone, Why doesnt this enzyme make progesterone. Since progesterone will retain potassium and potassium will speed you up , speed up your thyroid effect , and if there is no NAD< then there is no NADPH. And if there is no NADPH , then by speeding up you wont be able to handle oxidative stress.


This is why people go on progesterone , which is the end product of 3 beta hsd, that speeds up the metabolism, and they feel better, energy wise, but could have hairloss if they have too little iron, since progesterone wont convert into cortisol without iron.. And they will be putting pressure on already low cortisol by increasing the metabolic rate. Same as with the thyroid. People with low 3beta hsd take the thyroid and start feeling more energy at first but then they will be running on adrenaline , since cortisol wont be there, they cant make it without 3 beta hsd. And to run on adrenaline you will be using b12 and folic acid, and folinic acid will go down. And folinic acid is what make DNA repair and grows hair.


So this is why 3 beta hsd is down in hairloss, it does not want to lift up metabolism. And to make this 3 beta hsd work, you need to make NAD work and NADPH work. So the body has the antioxidation . for the faster metabolism.

This is why if you are low on 3 beta and dont make any cortisol, then you will run on adrenaline, and to make adrenaline you need what? you need folic acid and b12 and protein.( methionine and cysteine) . And all your folic acid will go onto producing methylfolate. And folinic acid will be down. but it is folinic acid which produces the DNA repair and responsible to eNOS and hair repair.


This is why if you want to repair your metabolism you need to repair your sugar metabolism and NAD and NADPH levels , but if you just want the hair , then you just provide what the body is wasting and spending to run on in hairloss and that is folinic acid.
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Progesterone + Iron + folic acid and b12 and protein.( methionine and cysteine)
 
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Helen said:
Are you PFS. And you are taking antidpressant ? Please also post your hairtest. I dont know why people dont put the hairtest under their name. So people can just look it up instead of searching for it all over.
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I am pfs and I take AD.

My hair test is posted

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I did my ARL hair test and they said im slow oxidizer (I posted the hair test in my signature please see). My copper levels are somewhat high. Should I take manganese along with the supplements recommended from ARL because none of their supplement stack has managense. Catherine said no don't but not sure. I never took FIN before and I have androgenic alopeica so trying to cure that. @Helen
 
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talesofdaHustle said:
I did my ARL hair test and they said im slow oxidizer (I posted the hair test in my signature please see). My copper levels are somewhat high. Should I take manganese along with the supplements recommended from ARL because none of their supplement stack has managense. Catherine said no don't but not sure. I never took FIN before and I have androgenic alopeica so trying to cure that. @Helen
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If you are planning to follow ARL, follow arl dont add anything. It if funny that they are not giving you manganese. how is that possible. Aren't you getting megapan?
 
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Helen said:
If you are planning to follow ARL, follow arl dont add anything. It if funny that they are not giving you manganese. how is that possible. Aren't you getting megapan?
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Yes they are , I never knew megapan has manganese in there but its in trace amounts, I thought when copper is sky high it should be like 25-30mg of zinc and then 10-15 mg of manganese ? but could you please take a look @ my test and my calcium is sky high is it normal for them to be giving me paramin ? @Helen
 
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JonnyCraig said:
So...

Progesterone + Iron + folic acid and b12 and protein.( methionine and cysteine)
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Bump... does this look like a pretty reasonable protocol?

What is the consensus on Progesterone for hair loss? From what I've reading.. if Iron is not low, it should technically be beneficial for hair?
 
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Helen said:
Folinic acid is what grows hair. This is why when I chelate I take folinic acid later to restore my hair. And so do chemotherapy people. they all take folinic acid , folic acid wont work. But folinic will.
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How much folinic acid do you take, and do you have a particular product that you think works well?
 
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