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Helen

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@Helen but didnt you say months ago that nobody should drink ACV?

I did not tell you to drink ACV now. I only told you that it has malic acid in it. along with acetaldehyde and and other stuff.

I am not giving advice on what to drink. H2 water is good if you want to achieve what you want to achieve. I am just saying that protonated water could be just as good as H2 water. |But it is a guess. I am not against H2 water, I started this thread.

I do know that drinking acids or H2 , will lower cortisol and put you into more fasting state. That is good in some conditions .
 
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Im curious about @Helen 's opinion about carb backloading diet for bodybuilding or health in general. Many guys do this on swole source who recover from pfs. @Cdsnuts do it too. But as far as I remember, when I tried it and I run on fat mostly and I do a carbbackloading I get huge brain fog from the carbs.

It's all about dialing in the correct number of carbs. If you over do it, you'll get bloated, hold too much water and possible get some brain fog. You also have to make sure your timing is correct and most importantly, you want to be sure you really get in a good, solid weight lifting session prior to the back-load. By doing these things you ensure that ALL of the glucose goes directly into the muscles, as opposed to having some "spillover" that will get stored as fat.....that's what you want to avoid. Once you start experimenting with it, you'll get an idea as to how many grams you should be taking in.

And, while this will work good with "dirty carbs" I always prefer using clean carbs instead. Rice, gluten free grain products, potatoes, etc.

You can tell what is right and what is wrong by how you look and feel the next day when you wake up. If you wake up and your muscles are full and pumped and you are looking lean and tight, you hit the mark correctly. If you wake up and your face is puffy, body is jiggly, you know you over shot it. You can easily tell after doing it a few times.
 

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It's all about dialing in the correct number of carbs. If you over do it, you'll get bloated, hold too much water and possible get some brain fog. You also have to make sure your timing is correct and most importantly, you want to be sure you really get in a good, solid weight lifting session prior to the back-load. By doing these things you ensure that ALL of the glucose goes directly into the muscles, as opposed to having some "spillover" that will get stored as fat.....that's what you want to avoid. Once you start experimenting with it, you'll get an idea as to how many grams you should be taking in.

And, while this will work good with "dirty carbs" I always prefer using clean carbs instead. Rice, gluten free grain products, potatoes, etc.

You can tell what is right and what is wrong by how you look and feel the next day when you wake up. If you wake up and your muscles are full and pumped and you are looking lean and tight, you hit the mark correctly. If you wake up and your face is puffy, body is jiggly, you know you over shot it. You can easily tell after doing it a few times.
Thanks, will experiment with it after i refed from this summer fast and hope my body will handle the carbs this way. Hope this year the backloading will go better. This summer i plan to fast for 21 days, on day 4 now.

Anyone interested in hair/scalp updates: since not eating my scalp feels very loose.
 

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The power/sprinting doesn’t make sense to me because slow oxidizers run on sugar (atleast @Helen said so) and fast oxidizers are running on fats so it would make more sense for slow oxidizers to be good at sprinting/explosive movements as they are running on sugar while fast oxidizers are running on fats so they would have better endurance. A lot of people on the keto diet also get better endurance as they start running on fats which doesn’t provide explosive energy but long lasting energy

You have it backwards. Fast metabolism means sugar and fat metabolism (or in dysfunctional fast, mostly sugar) are both open, slow metabolism is primarily fats. Fast oxidizers are better at power activities because fast twitch muscle fiber relies on glycolysis (sugar). Slow oxidizers are better at endurance, since it is primarily based on beta oxidation (fat).

Also it's more of a systems bias as well. Some organs run primarily on sugar, others primarily on fats. The nervous system relies predominantly on glucose, so being a strong sugar burner means high CNS activation, while being a fat metabolizer means lower CNS activation

No one gets better athletic performance on a keto diet. Endurance or power activity. Endurance activities still require some degree of glycolysis, just not nearly as much as power activities. There has been a ton of research on this, and little to no studies ever showing a benefit of keto vs. adequate carb intake.
 

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@mattyb how do we open both sugar and fat metabolism?

Everyone has a degree of both going on at all times and it varies across the body. The heart, active muscles, and nervous system/brain run primarily off of glucose for energy, with some exceptions being ketones in starvation (less so for the brain) and lactate (for the heart during high activity). The heart will burn fat as well. The liver uses primarily alpha keto-acids, but is flexible enough to use lots of fat. The intestines rely largely on glutamate/glutamine/aspartate, while the rest of the GI tract relies mostly on glucose. The kidney can use either glucose or fat, depending on fuel availability, it can even synthesize it's own glucose if needed. Resting or low-activity muscles use primarily fat. Skin undergoes a lot of non-oxidative glucose metabolism, creating a lot of lactic acid.

So every living person has all kinds of metabolism going on at all times. I think a better strategy is targeting the organ you want to help out, and then coming up with strategies that can repair and restore it's metabolism. This might mean choosing a strategy that upregulates a specific metabolic process (e.g. supplementing B vitamins, etc.), that minimizes oxygen radical formation (increases SOD/catalase), or fights off a pathogen (upregulating NADPH oxidase). I think every situation is unique, and general advice can often be harmful and not helpful.

Try and pin point your problem, then dive in and fix it. If you can find a commonality between dysfunctional organs, chances are that there's something systemic going on and you could address both problems with the same intervention.
 

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so from the hairtest, we know what the body is doing. The only thing to figure out for sure, minerals high on hairtest= minerals in the cell? or this is the body getting rid of them to balance.

This is a very important point and how are we going to determine what is true in this regard? What actual ways can we determine what is High in the Cell to see if it is also High in the hair? How can any treatment based on hair tests work when we dont know this? :)
 

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This is a very important point and how are we going to determine what is true in this regard? What actual ways can we determine what is High in the Cell to see if it is also High in the hair? How can any treatment based on hair tests work when we dont know this? :)

As I wrote, that there are 2 ways to try, and it is me who is trying to analyze this. Eck and Watson claim that they know what is what.



Any treatment based on hairtest is done by ARL or TE who researched this for 40 years. I suggested that may be they are wrong in some aspects.
it is not about adding what is low on hairest and avoiding what is high , or the opposite. It has never been about that.

It is about reading what the body is doing and seeing under which stage of stress it is. Hairtest can save you 20 blood tests if you know how to read it.
If I try some theories with hairtests, there are always 2-3 ways to check them. Thus it is not a problem/
 
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Yura

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This is a very important point and how are we going to determine what is true in this regard? What actual ways can we determine what is High in the Cell to see if it is also High in the hair? How can any treatment based on hair tests work when we dont know this? :)
What cells are we talking about here? I doubt that all cells in all organs and tissue have exactly the same profile and I think that minerals, heavy metals etc.. are in hair due to both reasons. That the body is eliminating them(since it is smart to eliminate toxins etc. through "dead" tissue like hair, nails, dead skin etc..) and that they are simply present from regular processes in the body..
 

heygate

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@Helen How are the inhalations going? my hydrofix arrived, iv been doing hour long sessions every night straight through the cannula...all my breathing problems have now disappeared, breathing back to normal again.
 

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You have in the protocol
"8) HYDROGEN RICH WATER. THIS CAN CURE YOU ON ITS OWN. Hydrogen rich water will allow the metabolism to run as maximum speed. And will have sugar metabolism open at all times."
So is this still the case or?
 

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@gbolduev Speaking of waters, what is your opinion about EZ Water (H3O2)? If we can actually compare it to hydrogen water.
Has this been answered?
We can get ez water by juicing grounding and infrared.
 

freeflow

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You have in the protocol
"8) HYDROGEN RICH WATER. THIS CAN CURE YOU ON ITS OWN. Hydrogen rich water will allow the metabolism to run as maximum speed. And will have sugar metabolism open at all times."
So is this still the case or?

No, the latest conclusions dont match this at all.
 

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@Helen How are the inhalations going? my hydrofix arrived, iv been doing hour long sessions every night straight through the cannula...all my breathing problems have now disappeared, breathing back to normal again.

Nice one! I think @TubZy is trying the inhalation’s with his hydrofix so he may have some feedback.
 

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Well TEI messed up and gave me 2 hair test results. They told me they lost the first one and sent me a second one. So I had the first one done 1.5 weeks into h2 water usage and the second one 8 weeks into h2 water. I received the results to both of these tests this week.

I cannot link them yet. But @Helen is right. It slowed me down. It allowed both calcium and magnesium to raise quite a bit in my system over those 6 weeks. A slow oxidizer got even slower.

I’ll post the results later today when I have the chance. But at least we have some conclusive evidence as to what the stuff does to someone on a hair test. Smh no wonder why I was so messed up at the end of that run.

Will be very interesting to see where I am post fast though. If h2 water = fasting and I’m actually fasting now for 18 days on juice... this will amount to a 78 day overall trial of fasting from h2+ current fast.
 
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