FINASTERIDE SIGNIFICANTLY UPREGULATES ANDROGEN RECEPTOR in this study ( PROTOCOLS and discussions for PFS)

[Troy]

I still have PFS. A lot better now but it was a few months ago or longer maybe like 5 months when I tried a biggish dose of potassium.

Sorry that was meant for @RebelWithACause . Rebel, did potassium do that for you when you had pfs or with your testosterone issues? Or both?

 

[cappello7]

@Helen Do you have any insight into whether or not ella could increase LH or FSH levels? Or anything else to increase LH or FSH. In my recent blood test testosterone and DHT were in the middle of the spectrum but LH and FSH were pretty low.

Thanks.

 

[BeLikeWater]

we have people with very low T and DHT also, and low estrogen / and we have people with high t and high dht. and high prolactin.


How do you get yourself in a low T state?


You are taking testosterone in already low testosterone state. And take progesterone which I told you to add.

Taking testosterone does not shut you down in low testosterone state


Just imagine, you have sensitive receptors. And the body shut down the LH.

Now you have lowish test, normal lowish Dht and low estrogen.

So your goal is to downregulate the receptor.

how would you go about it.

You can take low test so it does not convert much into estrogen, since if you take too much test, it will convert into estrogen and will upregulate the AR receptor.

You can also take test with AI. So this does not convert into estrogen and downregulates you AR receptor.

if you take too much testosterone without AI, then it will upregulate your receptor since a lot of it will go into estrogen.


I would assume if receptors were not sensitive, then LH will be high. trying to pump stuff constantly. Like what you get on clomid, which blocks Estrogen receptors.

Same as blocker. of AR receptor will causes also increased LH. I would assume


This is the same as people restored just on AI> you take AI for a while and that will downregulate your AR receptors. You feel like total garbage on AI, but when you come off, your AR receptors will be downregulated.

there are 2 cases of PFS. some cases are shut down because of low potassium and in another case the shut down because of high prolactin

Ok what are the solution for high prolactin? All people in my whatsapp group Hve ovet the range prolactin in pfs.

 

[joekool]

Ok what are the solution for high prolactin? All people in my whatsapp group Hve ovet the range prolactin in pfs.

A dopamine agonist like pramipexole or cabergoline will bring prolactin down. It’s slow but helped me. A symptom I had was a floppy boner feeling, like it would snap off. That improved significantly when I did a month on pramipexole

 

[Jaxx]

A dopamine agonist like pramipexole or cabergoline will bring prolactin down. It’s slow but helped me. A symptom I had was a floppy boner feeling, like it would snap off. That improved significantly when I did a month on pramipexole

How much did you take?

 

[RebelWithACause]

Did you take it in the evening or it just affected you all day?

I took it in the evening

 

[Troy]

I took it in the evening

Did you notice the improvement with potassium for your pfs or your testosterone issues?

 

[RebelWithACause]

Did you notice the improvement with potassium for your pfs or your testosterone issues?

I take magnesium chloride and potassium chloride with last meal. My stress tolerance is high. My confidence is good. I have no anxiety or depression. I wake up with morning wood almost every morning. I am currently eating low carb diet which always lowers my libido a bit. So that is the only thing right now. When I want to gain weight (muscle) I will add in carbohydrates and I will update how my libido is.

 

[Troy]

I take magnesium chloride and potassium chloride with last meal. My stress tolerance is high. My confidence is good. I have no anxiety or depression. I wake up with morning wood almost every morning. I am currently eating low carb diet which always lowers my libido a bit. So that is the only thing right now. When I want to gain weight (muscle) I will add in carbohydrates and I will update how my libido is.

Right so did you think the potassium helped a lot with pfs when you had it?

 

[joekool]

How much did you take?

Pramipexole is safe. Generally 0.25-0.5mg two times per week is enough to combat any issues. I think I did .5 Sunday and Wednesday.

 

[Helen]

How much did you take?

You dont' take drugs to lower hormones. Hormones are there to retain minerals.

LIke aldo is retaining sodium. Prolactin - calcium Progesterone - potassium LOL

And people see some high number on their lab and they try to screw with the hormone by using drugs?





like in PSSD, there is a copper toxicity and iron in the brain. which causes low serotonin and low dopamine by upregulating MAO like crazy.

And people's solution is to take caber to lower prolactin? LOL what? it is a huge stilt which will NEVER allow you to recover ever again. The body will think you have tons of dopamine, and it will retain even MORE iron in the head overtime. since MAO B is iron based))

going on caber , is the same as going on SSRI. i hope you realize that.


You guys went on SSRI, the body started to fight it and it upregulated MAO A. by retaining huge amounts of copper in the brain. Now you go off SSRI. Mao A stays upregulated and it breaks down dopamine and serotonin . Low dopamine causes high prolactin, since the body is trying to retain calcium. since it thinks you are running in fast metabolism)))



Now you go on caber this increases dopamine, and allows copper to be retained in the brain, since the body thinks that dopamine is ok now.


instead of all this , just go on the program I gave talkingant, and in 3-4 months you will be restored.


You just need to chelate copper out of the brain. It takes about 3-4 month by speeding up metabolism.


When copper levels fall in teh brain, MAO A will go down,and you will have higher dopamine and higher serotonin.



I never understand why people go on hormones or drugs LOL you already screwed yourself with one drug and now you go on other drugs


like MAO inhibitors, You are allowing the body to retain more copper in the brain. I hope you realized this


MAOI increase the levels of serotonin, body retains more copper )) you quit MaoI= boom even less serotonin )) and dopamine.




This is my opinion.

 

[Troy]

You dont' take drugs to lower hormones. Hormones are there to retain minerals.

LIke aldo is retaining sodium. Prolactin - calcium Progesterone - potassium LOL

And people see some high number on their lab and they try to screw with the hormone by using drugs?





like in PSSD, there is a copper toxicity and iron in the brain. which causes low serotonin and low dopamine by upregulating MAO like crazy.

And people's solution is to take caber to lower prolactin? LOL what? it is a huge stilt which will NEVER allow you to recover ever again. The body will think you have tons of dopamine, and it will retain even MORE iron in the head overtime. since MAO B is iron based))

going on caber , is the same as going on SSRI. i hope you realize that.


You guys went on SSRI, the body started to fight it and it upregulated MAO A. by retaining huge amounts of copper in the brain. Now you go off SSRI. Mao A stays upregulated and it breaks down dopamine and serotonin . Low dopamine causes high prolactin, since the body is trying to retain calcium. since it thinks you are running in fast metabolism)))



Now you go on caber this increases dopamine, and allows copper to be retained in the brain, since the body thinks that dopamine is ok now.


instead of all this , just go on the program I gave talkingant, and in 3-4 months you will be restored.


You just need to chelate copper out of the brain. It takes about 3-4 month by speeding up metabolism.


When copper levels fall in teh brain, MAO A will go down,and you will have higher dopamine and higher serotonin.



I never understand why people go on hormones or drugs LOL you already screwed yourself with one drug and now you go on other drugs


like MAO inhibitors, You are allowing the body to retain more copper in the brain. I hope you realized this


MAOI increase the levels of serotonin, body retains more copper )) you quit MaoI= boom even less serotonin )) and dopamine.




This is my opinion.

Does it take long for our available copper to go up once we have increased our potassium levels for pfs?

 

[Helen]

Does it take long for our available copper to go up once we have increased our potassium levels for pfs?

Copper needs to be available all the time. otherwise it will cause crazy thing like depression serotonin inhibition in the brain/

Those people who take SSRI all copper toxic like you read about. in the brain. And they take SSRI and biovailable copper goes down completely.


This is why in PFS we have high progesterone in people. There is something in the body which is wasting potassium. cortisol is doing it.

And progesterone is raised to oppose that.


If we effect cortisol receptors, then the waster will be gone, and progesterone will retain potassium and go down.

Once potassium goes up in the cell. the LH starts up. and you get testosterone and estrogen. this is when iron and copper become available.


This is why in PFS you see closed down LH in people. the body just stopped the production of hormones

Since it cant raise estrogen without potassium in the cell. And without estrogen you wont feel any libido.


this is why I rec'd taking testosterone and progesterone to by pass the LH.


taking testosterone alone= DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It just bypasses the LH and increases estrogen in the low potassium state. WHICH SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN))

this is why Joe when started to take testosterone would never be able to handle it. without progesterone. Since it will cause crazy anxiety)) and the more you will be on it, the more anxiety will get.

And many people took testosterone also and cant handle it in PFS. since taking testosterone = taking FIN> You are wasting potassium

What fin does, it lowers DHT and increases estrogen. boom hair grows. but it kills potassium. You are running higher estrogen in low potassium State))

Then you quit fin, DHT goes back up, but there is no potassium and boom a HUGE SHUT down.)) Since DHT will WASTE THE POTASSIUM.


So fin upregulates AR receptors and cortisol receptors. and wastes potassium

After you quit the drug. you have upregulated cortisol action and zero potassium at the same time.

So progesterone has to rise.



Same things happens in Conn's disease or Cushings . exactly the same thing,

in Conn's aldosterone is raised and wastes potassium like crazy. And the body has to raise progesterone to oppose it. And you have zero libido

And in cushings , it is the same. cortisol is raised uncontrollable and this wastes potassium since cortisol and aldo both potassium wasters.

and the body has to raise progesterone to oppose this.


I had Cushings myself. I had an adenoma secreting cortisol. And My progesterone was always raised and I had PFS all the time.

When I got rid of adenoma. My progesterone fell within a month, since it managed to retain potassium and the levels of progesterone FELL.

And sex drive went up like crazy and estrogen and test and DHT all went up. and LH went up.


As you can see PFS is the same thing. but in PFS there are cortisol receptors which are screwed. not the adenoma.

 

[Troy]

Copper needs to be available all the time. otherwise it will cause crazy thing like depression serotonin inhibition in the brain/

Those people who take SSRI all copper toxic like you read about. in the brain. And they take SSRI and biovailable copper goes down completely.


This is why in PFS we have high progesterone in people. There is something in the body which is wasting potassium. cortisol is doing it.

And progesterone is raised to oppose that.


If we effect cortisol receptors, then the waster will be gone, and progesterone will retain potassium and go down.

Once potassium goes up in the cell. the LH starts up. and you get testosterone and estrogen. this is when iron and copper become available.

So to get our own copper levels up, we need to increase potassium.

Once we have increased potassium, is it a 3 to 4 month wait for the copper levels to go up? Or should it be a bit sooner? As I am improving as time goes by from electrolytes protocol. Wondering if something is increasing each day in me now that my potassium levels are up a bit more.

 

[noprop]

You dont' take drugs to lower hormones. Hormones are there to retain minerals.

LIke aldo is retaining sodium. Prolactin - calcium Progesterone - potassium LOL

And people see some high number on their lab and they try to screw with the hormone by using drugs?





like in PSSD, there is a copper toxicity and iron in the brain. which causes low serotonin and low dopamine by upregulating MAO like crazy.

And people's solution is to take caber to lower prolactin? LOL what? it is a huge stilt which will NEVER allow you to recover ever again. The body will think you have tons of dopamine, and it will retain even MORE iron in the head overtime. since MAO B is iron based))

going on caber , is the same as going on SSRI. i hope you realize that.


You guys went on SSRI, the body started to fight it and it upregulated MAO A. by retaining huge amounts of copper in the brain. Now you go off SSRI. Mao A stays upregulated and it breaks down dopamine and serotonin . Low dopamine causes high prolactin, since the body is trying to retain calcium. since it thinks you are running in fast metabolism)))



Now you go on caber this increases dopamine, and allows copper to be retained in the brain, since the body thinks that dopamine is ok now.


instead of all this , just go on the program I gave talkingant, and in 3-4 months you will be restored.


You just need to chelate copper out of the brain. It takes about 3-4 month by speeding up metabolism.


When copper levels fall in teh brain, MAO A will go down,and you will have higher dopamine and higher serotonin.



I never understand why people go on hormones or drugs LOL you already screwed yourself with one drug and now you go on other drugs


like MAO inhibitors, You are allowing the body to retain more copper in the brain. I hope you realized this


MAOI increase the levels of serotonin, body retains more copper )) you quit MaoI= boom even less serotonin )) and dopamine.




This is my opinion.

Brilliant post. Deep understanding. Medicine world is not talking a lot about minerals, aminos I noticed.

 

[Helen]

we have 2 cases of PFS.

And the goal is to upregulate or downregulate cortisol receptor which is identical to AR. and they go up and down together.

SO for cases when progesterone is raised. we have either aldo wasting potassium, or cortisol wasting potassium.


and this is why progesterone is raised.

 

[Helen]

You mean Conn's not Crons / Crohns right ?

Yes, Conn's

 

[RebelWithACause]

Right so did you think the potassium helped a lot with pfs when you had it?

I did all kinds of things. I think electrolytes helped yes.

I am not 100% sure I am out of PFS. I am doing good but fact is I could not handle testosterone at all. That is weird to me because most people that do steroids feel great on them. This is why I am skeptical.

I think I am above baseline though. Like I said. No depression or bad anxiety. Digestion feels good - no bloating. I wake up with morning wood even now after just quitting TRT.

But I think there are still things unsolved.

 

[Troy]

we have 2 cases of PFS.

And the goal is to upregulate or downregulate cortisol receptor which is identical to AR. and they go up and down together.

SO for cases when progesterone is raised. we have either aldo wasting potassium, or cortisol wasting potassium.


and this is why progesterone is raised.

Which aminos regulate the cortisol receptor exactly? Histidine?

 

[barbaar]

You dont' take drugs to lower hormones. Hormones are there to retain minerals.

LIke aldo is retaining sodium. Prolactin - calcium Progesterone - potassium LOL

And people see some high number on their lab and they try to screw with the hormone by using drugs?





like in PSSD, there is a copper toxicity and iron in the brain. which causes low serotonin and low dopamine by upregulating MAO like crazy.

And people's solution is to take caber to lower prolactin? LOL what? it is a huge stilt which will NEVER allow you to recover ever again. The body will think you have tons of dopamine, and it will retain even MORE iron in the head overtime. since MAO B is iron based))

going on caber , is the same as going on SSRI. i hope you realize that.


You guys went on SSRI, the body started to fight it and it upregulated MAO A. by retaining huge amounts of copper in the brain. Now you go off SSRI. Mao A stays upregulated and it breaks down dopamine and serotonin . Low dopamine causes high prolactin, since the body is trying to retain calcium. since it thinks you are running in fast metabolism)))



Now you go on caber this increases dopamine, and allows copper to be retained in the brain, since the body thinks that dopamine is ok now.


instead of all this , just go on the program I gave talkingant, and in 3-4 months you will be restored.


You just need to chelate copper out of the brain. It takes about 3-4 month by speeding up metabolism.


When copper levels fall in teh brain, MAO A will go down,and you will have higher dopamine and higher serotonin.



I never understand why people go on hormones or drugs LOL you already screwed yourself with one drug and now you go on other drugs


like MAO inhibitors, You are allowing the body to retain more copper in the brain. I hope you realized this


MAOI increase the levels of serotonin, body retains more copper )) you quit MaoI= boom even less serotonin )) and dopamine.




This is my opinion.

@talkingant could you share your program? (apologies if it was posted already, I couldn't find it)