FINASTERIDE SIGNIFICANTLY UPREGULATES ANDROGEN RECEPTOR in this study ( PROTOCOLS and discussions for PFS)

[Helen]

@talkingant could you share your program? (apologies if it was posted already, I couldn't find it)

we will try to balance you soon,. I guess no bloods for you for a while. May be we should just try to go without bloods, since all PSSD people seem to have the same hairtest

 

[vicecaz]

Could there be another case with BOTH high prog AND high prolactin?

I did have high prog in blood ( 3 times above the normal range ) and high prolactin, , calcification of the scalp, high calcium on hair test, with high DHT symptoms ( body hair increased )

And I think we are plenty with it

 

[Jaxx]

You dont' take drugs to lower hormones. Hormones are there to retain minerals.

LIke aldo is retaining sodium. Prolactin - calcium Progesterone - potassium LOL

And people see some high number on their lab and they try to screw with the hormone by using drugs?





like in PSSD, there is a copper toxicity and iron in the brain. which causes low serotonin and low dopamine by upregulating MAO like crazy.

And people's solution is to take caber to lower prolactin? LOL what? it is a huge stilt which will NEVER allow you to recover ever again. The body will think you have tons of dopamine, and it will retain even MORE iron in the head overtime. since MAO B is iron based))

going on caber , is the same as going on SSRI. i hope you realize that.


You guys went on SSRI, the body started to fight it and it upregulated MAO A. by retaining huge amounts of copper in the brain. Now you go off SSRI. Mao A stays upregulated and it breaks down dopamine and serotonin . Low dopamine causes high prolactin, since the body is trying to retain calcium. since it thinks you are running in fast metabolism)))



Now you go on caber this increases dopamine, and allows copper to be retained in the brain, since the body thinks that dopamine is ok now.


instead of all this , just go on the program I gave talkingant, and in 3-4 months you will be restored.


You just need to chelate copper out of the brain. It takes about 3-4 month by speeding up metabolism.


When copper levels fall in teh brain, MAO A will go down,and you will have higher dopamine and higher serotonin.



I never understand why people go on hormones or drugs LOL you already screwed yourself with one drug and now you go on other drugs


like MAO inhibitors, You are allowing the body to retain more copper in the brain. I hope you realized this


MAOI increase the levels of serotonin, body retains more copper )) you quit MaoI= boom even less serotonin )) and dopamine.




This is my opinion.

Wasnt planning to go on caber/prami at this time, i have normal prolactin anyway. But it did seem to help some pssd cases. Dose seems very low, parkinson people for till 5mg daily.

I dont know if maoi will make things worse, didnt seem to do for others. I think my main benefit is cortisol normalization, which is one or the benefits it offers. This is indeed more of a patch than a cure.
Having said that, i am more than happy to try a pssd protocol, but i though you were still thinking about thr details.

 

[barbaar]

we will try to balance you soon,. I guess no bloods for you for a while. May be we should just try to go without bloods, since all PSSD people seem to have the same hairtest

Yeah I'm kinda annoyed it's taking so long lol.

I will wait for my bloods so we have a better view of what's going on precisely. And be better able to match other people to the same case later. (unless you think it does not matter)

 

[Helen]

Wasnt planning to go on caber/prami at this time, i have normal prolactin anyway. But it did seem to help some pssd cases. Dose seems very low, parkinson people for till 5mg daily.

I dont know if maoi will make things worse, didnt seem to do for others. I think my main benefit is cortisol normalization, which is one or the benefits it offers. This is indeed more of a patch than a cure.
Having said that, i am more than happy to try a pssd protocol, but i though you were still thinking about thr details.

yeah, I am still thinking about the details. but until I try some variants of it on some people we will never know.

 

[Jaxx]

yeah, I am still thinking about the details. but until I try some variants of it on some people we will never know.

No thats fair, but im sure there are enough people to try

 

[Helen]

i heard smart elite level athletes use very low dose steroids/hormones with extremely good results..even better than high doses without many side effects

Exactly. Since only idiots doctors give 200-400 test to people. the body has sodium potassium ratio. testosterone raises sodium . so usually athletes are slightly catabolic so they have lowers sodium and higher potassium., and if you get a tiny dosage of testosterone , just to balance the ratio of sodium to potassium/ your test levels will be much higher than a person taking 200-300-500 . Those people just waste the product LMAO since if you take 500 and your sodium potassium ratio is high. you will just piss all of it out and the body will shut you down LOL


And if you take testosterone and it causes anxiety. You know that you are missing potassium )) thus I rec test with progesterone to all people.

but if you could find a right dosage for yourself like 5-10-20mg, then test will not need potassium. |But in PFS it is not the case. since in PFS your LH is shut down since potassium is NIL. and you need to fix cortisol receptor so it stops wasting it. And so even on tiny amounts of test like pinepollen people get anxiety

 

[TubZy]

do u know ways to cheat the system? basically how to not get caught/positive at anti-doping tests?

Dude come on make your on threads for that stuff, has nothing to do with the topic here

 

[IHateFin]

I did all kinds of things. I think electrolytes helped yes.

I am not 100% sure I am out of PFS. I am doing good but fact is I could not handle testosterone at all. That is weird to me because most people that do steroids feel great on them. This is why I am skeptical.

I think I am above baseline though. Like I said. No depression or bad anxiety. Digestion feels good - no bloating. I wake up with morning wood even now after just quitting TRT.

But I think there are still things unsolved.

i thought the testosterone made you feel good it just made you shed which propted you to use zinc and thats what made you feel like poop

 

[IHateFin]

Which aminos regulate the cortisol receptor exactly? Histidine?

i think he mentioned histidine, arginine and cysteine

 

[Helen]

i think he mentioned histidine, arginine and cysteine

Yes, but in some cases you will need to lower those.

 

[TubZy]

i did my own threads but unfortunately helen does not respond there ..

then PM him or something or talk to him on FB like you say you always do, that doesn't give you the right to start bottlenecking and derailing other threads like in the past, because then I have to go back and clean it up like always

 

[Helen]

then PM him or something or talk to him on FB like you say you always do, that doesn't give you the right to start bottlenecking and derailing other threads like in the past, because then I have to go back and clean it up like always

What, facebook? oh no.

 

[RebelWithACause]

i thought the testosterone made you feel good it just made you shed which propted you to use zinc and thats what made you feel like poop

Yea but even after dropping the zinc for 4-6 weeks I felt like shit.

 

[TubZy]

@Troy what symptoms do you have left? Did you get rid of your MCS from aminos and potassium?

 

[noprop]

Dude come on make your on threads for that stuff, has nothing to do with the topic here

I know one. Let transforme you into a woman. With pfs we have good chances.
No, seriousely, born AS a boy and transgendered into a woman look alike, you have very good chances. If not in sports, at least AS a model or actriss vor speaker.

 

[SwaZ]

Im sorry for my lack of understanding, but could somebody explain to me if potassium makes you more androgenic?
Ive been loading on higher doses of potassium and ive noticed an increase in agression/dominance and people have told me my voice got deeper.Also can it really make your balls bigger? lol

 

[Troy]

@Troy what symptoms do you have left? Did you get rid of your MCS from aminos and potassium?

I’m not recovered yet so symptoms are still there.

 

[Troy]

Yes, but in some cases you will need to lower those.

So to downregulate the cortisol, do we need to increase histidine?

 

[IHateFin]

Im sorry for my lack of understanding, but could somebody explain to me if potassium makes you more androgenic?
Ive been loading on higher doses of potassium and ive noticed an increase in agression/dominance and people have told me my voice got deeper.Also can it really make your balls bigger? lol

In light of new information and name of this thread is that our receptors are in most cases UPregulated so much they don't work. Loading on potassium rips zinc out of the cell and lowers progesterone and thus alters the zinc finger which alters the androgen receptor function thus downregulating it to normality