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Also @RebelWithACause you also took Finasteride right? I had the phone call with my practitioner yesterday, and he was convinced that finasteride leaves a 'blueprint' behind and changes the way hormones/receptors work and it is very hard to fix this because the blueprint that finasteride left behind is blocking all kind of reactions in your body that a normal person has no problems with. It smells a little like bullshit, because he was also promoting a device that could reverse this blueprint with a device called 'photon wave'. He needed the actual finasteride pills for this to work and with the structure of finasteride he creates a series of light therapies to reverse this blueprint. Sounded weird.


Haha, that is actually interesting. you might try it )) is it expensive?
 

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Haha, that is actually interesting. you might try it )) is it expensive?
Initial intake 99 euro for 60/90 min session, then 50 euro for 30 minute sessions. He has another finasteride guy in treatment with the photon wave and after 2-3 times is having improvements so far. (Yeah he want to sell his shit).

Light Simulation | PhotonWave

@RebelWithACause Haha I know right, will continue on TEI and if that doesn't work out I actually might try the photon wave for the shit and giggles.
 

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Initial intake 99 euro for 60/90 min session, then 50 euro for 30 minute sessions. He has another finasteride guy in treatment with the photon wave and after 2-3 times is having improvements so far. (Yeah he want to sell his shit).

Light Simulation | PhotonWave

@RebelWithACause Haha I know right, will continue on TEI and if that doesn't work out I actually might try the photon wave for the shit and giggles.


This is close to what I am working on actually , it looks like
 

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I don't trust any of these people.

I can start website and tell finasteride people I have the cure. For 100 euro I will guide you and say you will get better. A lot of people will do it because their life quality is shit and they are in fear position. People throw money at it without thinking common sense.

Health circle attracts con people. Mentally ill people who want to build cult around themselves. Or just earn big bucks.

That is why I hate being in health circle. Some of them are good people but they are indistinguishable from the bad people.
 

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I am going to stop the copper food. Seem to make me fucked up. I have high anxiety. Sweating, etc. Also angry.

I am done with it. Completely.

I am going to take break from forums and in a week I will be back for update.
 
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I am going to stop the copper food. Seem to make me fucked up. I have high anxiety. Sweating, etc. Also angry.

Fuck all this shit man. I am done with it. Completely.

I am going to take break from forums and in a week I will be back for update.


Dude, you need to understand, that potassium and magnesium increase metabolism.

This then increases LH and asks for calcium .. How does the body get to calcium. It gets to calcium with estrogen

this is why magnesium potassium increase need for calcium , for that LH goes up to provide estrogen

when estrogen goes up you feel emotions and shit.


But if you only take copper. what it does, it increase estrogen. you do feel emotions but copper retains calcium but you have low potassium

and thus LH closes down, and your test goes down, and DHT goes down. Copper just converts your test into estrogen, which closes down the LH. so you feel somewhat better, but with anxiety since metabolism tanks.


but if you take copper with magnesium and potassium, this does not happen.


this is why Troy , Orion, loaded potassium and felt much better,

and Scenes, took potassium magnesium copper and b vitamins and recovered.



Get tested bud
 
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Do we need to supplement with calcium after we raise our metabolism or does that raise itself from the estrogen?

usually when people replace potassium from alkalosis, they also replace calcium.

read about it.

Since in alkalosis with potassium def, usually calcium is not retained.

So they do IVs of potassium chlorides, and calcium chloride etc. depending on alkalosis.

this is why probably it causes panic when potassium repleting , since calcium slow down nervous system, makes it more stable

but to digest calcium you need b vitamins and vitamin D. in PFS b2 could be low, thus cant get to D3 and thus takes time after potassium loading.

thus the full electrolytes protocol is the best. IMO
 
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usually when people replace potassium from alkalosis, they also replace calcium.

read about it.

Since in alkalosis with potassium def, usually calcium is not retained.

So they do IVs of potassium chlorides, and calcium chloride etc. depending on alkalosis.

this is why probably it causes panic when potassium repleating , since calcium slow down nervous system, makes it more stable

but to digest calcium you need b vitamins and vitamin D. in PFS b2 could be low, thus cant get to D3 and thus takes time after potassium loading.

thus the full electrolytes protocol is the best. IMO
Right thanks.

Is it a necessity to replace the calcium though? Or will our body replace it on its own? But if stuck in alkalosis, I'm guessing calcium won't get replaced and we need to supplement with calcium chloride.
 

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Right thanks.

Is it a necessity to replace the calcium though? Or will our body replace it on its own? But if stuck in alkalosis, I'm guessing calcium won't get replaced and we need to supplement with calcium chloride.


if there is low b2, body cant get to calcium , since estrogen increases conversion of D to active D3 and that need b2. I assume may be this is the reason body cant absorb potassium on its own, need to force it.

but if following all electrolytes protocol like Orion does, then it is much easier to take potassium. since you take huge amounts of b vitamins and b2 specifically .
 

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if there is low b2, body cant get to calcium , since estrogen increases conversion of D to active D3 and that need b2. I assume may be this is the reason body cant absorb potassium on its own, need to force it.

but if following all electrolytes protocol like Orion does, then it is much easier to take potassium. since you take huge amounts of b vitamins and b2 specifically .
Helen, just wondering if splitting the B vitamins throughout the day would be better, so these will be available the whole day, or do they have a long half-life?
 

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if there is low b2, body cant get to calcium , since estrogen increases conversion of D to active D3 and that need b2. I assume may be this is the reason body cant absorb potassium on its own, need to force it.

but if following all electrolytes protocol like Orion does, then it is much easier to take potassium. since you take huge amounts of b vitamins and b2 specifically .
I guess I need to take magnesium chloride too as with low magnesium there won't be any b2. Maybe why the potassium on its own didn't fix me completely.
 

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Dude, you need to understand, that potassium and magnesium increase metabolism.

This then increases LH and asks for calcium .. How does the body get to calcium. It gets to calcium with estrogen

this is why magnesium potassium increase need for calcium , for that LH goes up to provide estrogen

when estrogen goes up you feel emotions and shit.


But if you only take copper. what it does, it increase estrogen. you do feel emotions but copper retains calcium but you have low potassium

and thus LH closes down, and your test goes down, and DHT goes down. Copper just converts your test into estrogen, which closes down the LH. so you feel somewhat better, but with anxiety since metabolism tanks.


but if you take copper with magnesium and potassium, this does not happen.


this is why Troy , Orion, loaded potassium and felt much better,

and Scenes, took potassium magnesium copper and b vitamins and recovered.



Get tested bud

Yea you are right. I got test results coming.

I think increase in estrogen is making me a bit short tempered. This is why I am taking break from forums for a week. Get mind straight.

I am going to take potassium + magnesium every night again like I used to. With increase in copper intake from food (shrimp, chocolate). Not going crazy with copper. But to balance out my zinc intake.

Shrimp and dark chocolate contain potassium and magnesium so should not give too much problem.

I do feel better in social environment. I am more social last 2 days and no social anxiety with higher copper intake. People seem to want to talk to me more. It is weird.

It is true copper has feminizing effect.

Before I started eating more copper in diet I get irritated by girls I would talk to for example. The way they talked and acted would irritate me. I think this is similar to when you take high amount of zinc.

I do feel more brainfoggy. Less aggression. But maybe this is from low T/lower DHT/lower metabolism. So I will take electrolytes again.
 

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So I will take electrolytes again.
I feel (but this may not be true of everyone), taking them all year is key to lock in gains everywhere. Advice from HS long ago. I did (shakes mostly and mixed but also capsules). I like copper too, tiny bit makes me euphoric in chocolate. As a supplement (minerally)? Not so much. May be fine during TEI (along with other recs).
 
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usually when people replace potassium from alkalosis, they also replace calcium.

read about it.

Since in alkalosis with potassium def, usually calcium is not retained.

So they do IVs of potassium chlorides, and calcium chloride etc. depending on alkalosis.

this is why probably it causes panic when potassium repleting , since calcium slow down nervous system, makes it more stable

but to digest calcium you need b vitamins and vitamin D. in PFS b2 could be low, thus cant get to D3 and thus takes time after potassium loading.

thus the full electrolytes protocol is the best. IMO

Calcium slows down nervous system aswell? I thought it increased it because it causes contraction. Does potassium/sodium/phosphorus increase it and magnesium/calcium lower it?
 

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So I took B Vitamin yesterday and it fucked me up a bit. Made me nervous all day. And even today. Pissing yellow too. Vitamin B complex always does this.

Libido is also zero with the potassium + magnesium combo after day 2. Last time had same thing. So I feel good 1 day with it then day 2 I feel no libido. I have zero desire now.

So again going to stop everything and see how I feel tomorrow.

A bit unstable lately - I do not have a few days where I feel good. Some day I feel great and some days it is opposite.

Before this I had feeling of control on how I would do. Now it is like I am in chaos all the time. Some days it goes well and I feel back to my old self. Then next day I feel not good.
 
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So I took B Vitamin yesterday and it fucked me up a bit. Made me nervous all day. And even today. Pissing yellow too. Vitamin B complex always does this.

Libido is also zero with the potassium + magnesium combo after day 2. Last time had same thing. So I feel good 1 day with it then day 2 I feel no libido. I have zero desire now.

So again going to stop everything and see how I feel tomorrow.

A bit unstable lately - I do not have a few days where I feel good. Some day I feel great and some days it is opposite.

Feel like going nuts some days. Before this I had feeling of control on how I would do. Now it is like I am in chaos all the time. Some days it goes well and I feel back to my old self. Then next day I feel back to old feeling and not so good.


just wait for your test and do nothing
 

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just wait for your test and do nothing

Could it be lack of calcium? I drank some milk and edginess was gone lol. Maybe it was too much one sided (potassium and magnesium) and this caused me to become uptight and feel like jumping out of skin.