Electrolyte Protocol for Improved Health

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What you mean when you say active Bs @SwaZ ??

Active b's like active b6 is Pirydoxal 5 phosphate, while the most common synthetic one is Pyridoxine hidrochloride.

So when you take P5P your body can immediately use it witout needing to convert it into its active form, because it already is active.
While Pyridoxine HCl needs to be converted into P5P through some enzymatic reaction which requires B2 and Magnesium (also some phosphorus).
So then you have active B2 and B6 and can convert Tryptophan into Niacin and you get B3...and so on and so on.
 

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IT definitely helps but It's very hard for me to keep a normal schedules rite now... WORKING ON IT. I did workout 8am today, but maybe 8-9pm yesterday. It does help... not sure if it's bad for insomnia, I have an electrolyte and protein shake or just one, 1/2 pre workout and post. K(bananas), Cacao (Mg), Pink Sea Salt (NaCl) and 100% Iso Whey (Isoflex but various brands can be used). Also I tried the drinks of just the electrolytes, I lost some K, otherwise fine. Food should work too.
Also lots of sweet/red potatoes and some other stuff. Lots of spinach everyday I ate... so Feb end till now.

I try and do this, usually it's all post workout tho. I was told by some trainers, EAT SOME before workout ideally... I think they saw me getting weaker tho on FIN. SUPER high energy then dying in workouts then not going. BUT ya usually completely fasted. SOMETIMES I EAT MORE -- if feeling TOO WIRED tho.
 
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IT definitely helps but It's very hard for me to keep a normal schedules rite now... WORKING ON IT. I did workout 8am today, but maybe 8-9pm yesterday. It does help... not sure if it's bad for insomnia, I have an electrolyte and protein shake or just one, 1/2 pre workout and post. K(bananas), Cacao (Mg), Pink Sea Salt (NaCl) and 100% Iso Whey (Isoflex but various brands can be used). Also I tried the drinks of just the electrolytes, I lost some K, otherwise fine. Food should work too.
Also lots of sweet/red potatoes and some other stuff. Lots of spinach everyday I ate... so Feb end till now.

I try and do this, usually it's all post workout tho. I was told by some trainers, EAT SOME before workout ideally... I think they saw me getting weaker tho on FIN. SUPER high energy then dying in workouts then not going. BUT ya usually completely fasted. SOMETIMES I EAT MORE -- if feeling TOO WIRED tho.
They NEED to do a STUDY on Finasteride and whether it actually causes Androgen-Receptor downregulation, or just inhibition by less Saturation. I have a FEELING given that DHT upregulates the AR in *certain* Regions - that it might actually cause 45-50% reduction in Androgen Receptors (mRNA)!.
 

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FCUK!!!

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WELL: I had no full beard 6-10 days not filled in... now .5-1 days, even w/ zero drugs 1 day. Facial hair density restored (too much even, but whatever) as I got stronger and digestion, cognition, and vision, and like 25-30 other symptoms improved. But for 12mo or so, yeah less facial hair than before 24, so a year almost, I had a few yrs younger facial hair. Not even, it was just different and not filled in. Same with arm and chest hair. Now manscaping all the time again.
 

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They NEED to do a STUDY on Finasteride and whether it actually causes Androgen-Receptor downregulation, or just inhibition by less Saturation. I have a FEELING given that DHT upregulates the AR in *certain* Regions - that it might actually cause 45-50% reduction in Androgen Receptors (mRNA)!.


they did a study on finasteride and it causes AR overexpression.

And that overexpression stays after quitting the drug.
 

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they did a study on finasteride and it causes AR overexpression.

And that overexpression stays after quitting the drug.
Strange, that seems contradictory to the severe sexual-dysfunction users experience on it, and off.
 

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Enhances LH and IGF? Sounds good.
 

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Strange, that seems contradictory to the severe sexual-dysfunction users experience on it, and off.

This does seem counter-intuitive, but the Italian studies show this. It is odd - for sure. ALSO: SOME (I doubt it's many) do get stronger on it and after. I mean I'm stronger now, but only by reversing a lot of damage. I was WAY weaker initially - like sickly and worse.
 

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Strange, that seems contradictory to the severe sexual-dysfunction users experience on it, and off.


my sex drive is 5 times more on finasteride. If you block DHT to the middle of the range, SEX DRIVE explodes.

IF you drive DHT to the shitter, sex drive dies.


People with PFS have high DHT. When they go back on fin, and put it DHT in the middle.= TOTALLY recovered.
 

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So you should use L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate to rebuild Androgen Receptors [STUDY 1] [STUDY 2] - and PLENTY of Potassium - which increases Androgen-Receptor content!

Carnitine is used for fast oxidizer, since it kills the thyroid, which kills 5AR, and that is how carnitine ups the AR receptor))

Dude you cant effect an action of any steroids, by feeding stuff which is made inside of the body.

It will always have a dual action.

Like carnitine, kills thyroid, which will kill progesterone to allopregnenolone conversion. this stops 5AR. boom AR upregulated.
 

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@Area-1255 dudes who have hairloss have high DHT. Finasteride actually is crazy ideal drug for this.

SO hairloss people have high DHT, which stimulates aldosterone, and also they have high cortisol, since DHT and cortisol go up at the same time.

Finasteride is like progesterone, body thinks it is progesterone, so it turns off your own progesterone.

Fin is a progestin, body thinks it is progesterone. so it just kils progesterone. Since there is no progesterone, there is no progesterone into allopregnenlone conversion. 5AR goes down.

and also since there is no progesterone there cant be any cortisol . Cortisol is made out of it.

So you get lower DHT which wastes potassium, and lower cortisol which also wastes potassium. Boom you save potassium and get rid of hairloss


the problem people dont dose FInasteride correctly. If they did, it would give them MAX libido, max energy, and zero sides


but they take it in doses which cause total suppression of progesterone , so there is zero cortisol , zero DHT. of course problems
 

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Strange, that seems contradictory to the severe sexual-dysfunction users experience on it, and off.

no, dude, Stud also had severe sexual disfunction on DHT gel)) and he is not even PFS.

Levels of hormones should be in the middle. There is nothing wrong with receptors, receptors in the body change in seconds. it is methylation , ongoing process. it is not static

LIke if you want to kill AR with something, you need to kill methylation. Since even if you oxidize the existing AR receptors, they will be restored very fast. if methylation not stopped

this is why if copper is too high , from not metabolized estrogen from the liver bile problem, You are overmethylating. and thus this overxpression stays.
 
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@Area-1255 dudes who have hairloss have high DHT. Finasteride actually is crazy ideal drug for this.

SO hairloss people have high DHT, which stimulates aldosterone, and also they have high cortisol, since DHT and cortisol go up at the same time.

Finasteride is like progesterone, body thinks it is progesterone, so it turns off your own progesterone.

Fin is a progestin, body thinks it is progesterone. so it just kils progesterone. Since there is no progesterone, there is no progesterone into allopregnenlone conversion. 5AR goes down.

and also since there is no progesterone there cant be any cortisol . Cortisol is made out of it.

So you get lower DHT which wastes potassium, and lower cortisol which also wastes potassium. Boom you save potassium and get rid of hairloss


the problem people dont dose FInasteride correctly. If they did, it would give them MAX libido, max energy, and zero sides


but they take it in doses which cause total suppression of progesterone , so there is zero cortisol , zero DHT. of course problems
You describe during fin right? So how are people getting high prog after they stop it?
Also, getting back to fin, but lower dose would then be a theoretical solution?
 

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YET, People get TONS of sexual-dysfunction and Penile Shrinkage from Progesterone as well. So obviously, its about Balance. Too much Progesterone is WAY WORSE than too little, IMHO.


high progesterone in your body retains potassium. So if you have high progesterone, means that you have low metabolism. low potassium or low thyroid. Progesterone rises to retain potassium. And LH goes down, since steroids will waste potassium by increasing aldo

So progesterone is good. It is just if you take progesterone from outside. this will inhibit testosterone. since 3 beta hsd will go down.

ALll high hormones will cause problems. and show that there is a problem, in the body