14 day water fast

[Milky]

Me and my girl are starting a Breuss fast this Friday. The plan is to see if we can make it at least 7 days and increase from there to 10, 14, etc. up to 21 based on how we're feeling. Breuss' opinion of his own protocol was that the 42-day fast isn't necessary if you don't have cancer. We both work in an office so trying to make it work on weekdays will be challenging, that's why we're hoping to knock out the first few days on a long weekend.

We just picked up the first round of organic veggies to juice and ordered all the teas which are pretty specific. Sage tea + st. johns wort + peppermint + lemon balm @ approx 3 liters per day (to replenish lost fluids) and Kidney tea (horsetail, nettle, knotgrass and st. johns wort) @ 1/4 cup 3 times per day is all included in the default Breuss protocol.

I also plugged in a rough estimate of the ingredients I could find in Cronometer and in 500 ML of homemade Breuss juice there is approx. 260 cals (8g of protein, 1.5g of fat, 55g of carb) and a nice array of minerals and vitamins.

I'm really excited to see what happens with you and @Orion here. Both of you have PFS, correct? Are your symptoms still fairly severe? I plan on starting with a long fast, possibly followed by methylation. Have you looked into something like Thorne Extra for after the fast?

I'm sorry I forget to mention it, I never took fin, but I'm overweight (230 lbs @ 6'0") and have the usual MPB hair loss, was a heavy green smoker for a few years, along with a few rounds of prescription steroids (this is when my hair loss started about 10 years ago), being a chronic 'self-improver', etc. so a lot of the sides are similar. Also after 4+ years now of trying to follow the Peat crap (190 lbs before I started and my hair went from NW3 to NW4), I feel better just getting off milk, fruit, soda and sugar, chocolate (high copper), etc. and taking zinc/manganese for 2 weeks than I have in 2-3 years.

 

[Scenes]

Wondering as well about the libido and sexual functioning after the progestrrone 3 day fast. You said things like skin were so great after that already.

 

[Snow1]

Lads while we are on the topic of fasting and sorry to chime in like this. I'm reasonably skinny and don't have much fat hanging around so I'm thinking a 14 day water fast is not the best approach for me.

I have been thinking of doing a few 3 days fasts instead, maybe 1 a month or something, you think this would be beneficial for a long time PFS sufferer? If so what's the best approach and why to take after?

 

[Orion]

Will you juice, or used bottled juice?
I have difficulties finding the winter radish and the celery root. I believe fresh is better though...

I am going to use the Biotta bottled Breuss, and will use low sodium V8 as backup with bottle Beet juice mixed in.

Will consume 500ml per day. Probably 250ml in morning and 250ml at dinner.

We'll be doing it together man. I'm going for 21 days on Breuss beginning next Friday.

Nice, keep us posted.

 

[Orion]

Me and my girl are starting a Breuss fast this Friday. The plan is to see if we can make it at least 7 days and increase from there to 10, 14, etc. up to 21 based on how we're feeling. Breuss' opinion of his own protocol was that the 42-day fast isn't necessary if you don't have cancer. We both work in an office so trying to make it work on weekdays will be challenging, that's why we're hoping to knock out the first few days on a long weekend.

We just picked up the first round of organic veggies to juice and ordered all the teas which are pretty specific. Sage tea + st. johns wort + peppermint + lemon balm @ approx 3 liters per day (to replenish lost fluids) and Kidney tea (horsetail, nettle, knotgrass and st. johns wort) @ 1/4 cup 3 times per day is all included in the default Breuss protocol.

I also plugged in a rough estimate of the ingredients I could find in Cronometer and in 500 ML of homemade Breuss juice there is approx. 260 cals (8g of protein, 1.5g of fat, 55g of carb) and a nice array of minerals and vitamins.

Excellent. I don't have the teas, but will be drinking good amounts of spring water. I have planned for 40 days, I found the first 9-10days of a water fast pretty hard, days 11 thru 14 though seems to hit a stride. Having those ~250cals per day with minerals should be helpful.

 

[Orion]

What specifically is good about your skin now? Like just acne free or wrinkles gone, texture/tone etc?

Did you exercise during the fast?

I’m considering the breuss fast in summer so I can hit the ocean everyday like he suggested.

Oiliness is reduced, redness, puffiness, dandruff, ance all reduced, just looks younger. My skin(face, chest, back, shoulders) was seriously messed up from excessive oiliness and acne. I never though in a million years it could look young and healthy again, feel smooth and soft. After years of trying all the diets; keto, paleo, high carb, low carb, etc,etc,etc... going full RP was my last attempt at solving this, read all about Peat in 2010, but balked the sugar talk. So the last year was full Peat(Milk, OJ, sugar, fruit, zero starch, zero fat/PUFA), saw some success, skin was better then all the other attempts but not 100%. Doing a 3 day fast in August then 14 day water in Sept changed everything, very grateful that @gbolduev contributed to the PFS thread.

Sleeping and digestion is also better, pounded some mega large meals this weekend with family, previously this would have destroyed me, now body just chews through it and bowel movements are excellent.

I walked 45mins each day on the fast and only about 3 days of the 14 I lifted light weights, fasting is tiring and energy levels were low. Also very grumpy and daydreaming of food alot.

I am starting a 40 day Bruess next Monday

@Orion what about sexual improvements if you had any on the second fast??

Night and morning wood are much much fuller and harder. Also everything hangs lower and fuller, where as I used to be shriveled and tight before.

 

[Orion]

Wondering as well about the libido and sexual functioning after the progestrrone 3 day fast. You said things like skin were so great after that already.

Libido was never really an issues for me after accutane, but now after my two fasts, I can see that my junk was somewhat affected as; night and morning wood are much much fuller and harder. Also everything hangs lower and fuller all the time, even when cold, where as I used to be shriveled and tight before even if I was really warm.

 

[Orion]

Me and my girl are starting a Breuss fast this Friday. The plan is to see if we can make it at least 7 days and increase from there to 10, 14, etc. up to 21 based on how we're feeling. Breuss' opinion of his own protocol was that the 42-day fast isn't necessary if you don't have cancer. We both work in an office so trying to make it work on weekdays will be challenging, that's why we're hoping to knock out the first few days on a long weekend.

We just picked up the first round of organic veggies to juice and ordered all the teas which are pretty specific. Sage tea + st. johns wort + peppermint + lemon balm @ approx 3 liters per day (to replenish lost fluids) and Kidney tea (horsetail, nettle, knotgrass and st. johns wort) @ 1/4 cup 3 times per day is all included in the default Breuss protocol.

I also plugged in a rough estimate of the ingredients I could find in Cronometer and in 500 ML of homemade Breuss juice there is approx. 260 cals (8g of protein, 1.5g of fat, 55g of carb) and a nice array of minerals and vitamins.

I'm really excited to see what happens with you and @Orion here. Both of you have PFS, correct? Are your symptoms still fairly severe? I plan on starting with a long fast, possibly followed by methylation. Have you looked into something like Thorne Extra for after the fast?

I'm sorry I forget to mention it, I never took fin, but I'm overweight (230 lbs @ 6'0") and have the usual MPB hair loss, was a heavy green smoker for a few years, along with a few rounds of prescription steroids (this is when my hair loss started about 10 years ago), being a chronic 'self-improver', etc. so a lot of the sides are similar. Also after 4+ years now of trying to follow the Peat crap (190 lbs before I started and my hair went from NW3 to NW4), I feel better just getting off milk, fruit, soda and sugar, chocolate (high copper), etc. and taking zinc/manganese for 2 weeks than I have in 2-3 years.

I am not a Fin user either, but two accutane rounds. My shedding started after the second round, and then me attempting paleo, HIIT, zero carb, etc... doing full RP helped skin, but not 100%, it also has not helped shedding at all. Getting off RP and eating for a slow oxidizer is doing good things, but the fasting seems to be key for a reset/reboot.

 

[Orion]

Lads while we are on the topic of fasting and sorry to chime in like this. I'm reasonably skinny and don't have much fat hanging around so I'm thinking a 14 day water fast is not the best approach for me.

I have been thinking of doing a few 3 days fasts instead, maybe 1 a month or something, you think this would be beneficial for a long time PFS sufferer? If so what's the best approach and why to take after?

3 day water fast I did in Aug, did really good things for me(accutane not Fin user though). My hair test showed really high potassium, and reported my ratios as slow oxizider, so fasting would have helped deplete it. You could try a Breuss fast and maybe push it a few more days. But if you are a fast oxidizer, fasting is not recommended. Can you do a hair test?

gbolduev says that he is really lean and does one short and one long fast each year, but he is a slow oxidizer. gbolduev and mattyb have mentioned that the body works really hard at preserving lean mass during a fast...

 

[Milky]

Me and my girl are starting a Breuss fast this Friday. The plan is to see if we can make it at least 7 days and increase from there to 10, 14, etc. up to 21 based on how we're feeling. Breuss' opinion of his own protocol was that the 42-day fast isn't necessary if you don't have cancer. We both work in an office so trying to make it work on weekdays will be challenging, that's why we're hoping to knock out the first few days on a long weekend.

We just picked up the first round of organic veggies to juice and ordered all the teas which are pretty specific. Sage tea + st. johns wort + peppermint + lemon balm @ approx 3 liters per day (to replenish lost fluids) and Kidney tea (horsetail, nettle, knotgrass and st. johns wort) @ 1/4 cup 3 times per day is all included in the default Breuss protocol.

I also plugged in a rough estimate of the ingredients I could find in Cronometer and in 500 ML of homemade Breuss juice there is approx. 260 cals (8g of protein, 1.5g of fat, 55g of carb) and a nice array of minerals and vitamins.

Excellent. I don't have the teas, but will be drinking good amounts of spring water. I have planned for 40 days, I found the first 9-10days of a water fast pretty hard, days 11 thru 14 though seems to hit a stride. Having those ~250cals per day with minerals should be helpful.

Just a quick update I checked the stats on the Breuss bottled juice. My cronometer estimates are a bit off because there isn't a listing in the database for potato juice or radish juice, etc. so I used whole raw veggies to calculate, but the 500ml bottled Breuss juice has 180 cals (6g protein, 0g fat, 40g carb) so it's in the ballpark.

 

[Milky]

I'm really excited to see what happens with you and @Orion here. Both of you have PFS, correct? Are your symptoms still fairly severe? I plan on starting with a long fast, possibly followed by methylation. Have you looked into something like Thorne Extra for after the fast?

I'm sorry I forget to mention it, I never took fin, but I'm overweight (230 lbs @ 6'0") and have the usual MPB hair loss, was a heavy green smoker for a few years, along with a few rounds of prescription steroids (this is when my hair loss started about 10 years ago), being a chronic 'self-improver', etc. so a lot of the sides are similar. Also after 4+ years now of trying to follow the Peat crap (190 lbs before I started and my hair went from NW3 to NW4), I feel better just getting off milk, fruit, soda and sugar, chocolate (high copper), etc. and taking zinc/manganese for 2 weeks than I have in 2-3 years.

I am not a Fin user either, but two accutane rounds. My shedding started after the second round, and then me attempting paleo, HIIT, zero carb, etc... doing full RP helped skin, but not 100%, it also has not helped shedding at all. Getting off RP and eating for a slow oxidizer is doing good things, but the fasting seems to be key for a reset/reboot.

Ah yes, I did paleo/primal for 1.5 years, it was actually not so bad when I ate enough rice more along the lines of Perfect Health Diet. I definitely depleted my calcium during that period, but kept trying to drive the carbs too low in the end and was eating way too much meat and not enough veggies. This started causing very noticeable hair shedding, but most all of that came back on Peat...then the MPB from before resumed.

 

[Snow1]

Lads while we are on the topic of fasting and sorry to chime in like this. I'm reasonably skinny and don't have much fat hanging around so I'm thinking a 14 day water fast is not the best approach for me.

I have been thinking of doing a few 3 days fasts instead, maybe 1 a month or something, you think this would be beneficial for a long time PFS sufferer? If so what's the best approach and why to take after?

3 day water fast I did in Aug, did really good things for me(accutane not Fin user though). My hair test showed really high potassium, and reported my ratios as slow oxizider, so fasting would have helped deplete it. You could try a Breuss fast and maybe push it a few more days. But if you are a fast oxidizer, fasting is not recommended. Can you do a hair test?

gbolduev says that he is really lean and does one short and one long fast each year, but he is a slow oxidizer. gbolduev and mattyb have mentioned that the body works really hard at preserving lean mass during a fast...

Cheers for the response Orion.

I did a hair test whilst taking pine pollen so doing another one this week as it's been a month since a ceased pine pollen. What it did tell me is I was low on iron, VD and B12, and my liver was working over drive.

Good to hear the fasts did wonders for you, I'm not sure if im a slow or fast oxizider but I know there is a seperate thread on this so I'll have a read to see if I can work it out.

 

[Andman]

Did you by any chance notice the improved erection quality (esp. morning wood) around day 9 or 10?

I remember doing PFS (protein sparing modified fast, basically fasting with around 200-300g protein and weight training every 2 days) last year for body recomp, and around day 10 i started getting morning wood of steel and random boners during the day for the first time since my early teen years.

At the time i thought its just the body reacting to the stress of fasting & lifting etc., now im not so sure..maybe a longer fast would make it permanent?

 

[Orion]

Did you by any chance notice the improved erection quality (esp. morning wood) around day 9 or 10?

I remember doing PFS (protein sparing modified fast, basically fasting with around 200-300g protein and weight training every 2 days) last year for body recomp, and around day 10 i started getting morning wood of steel and random boners during the day for the first time since my early teen years.

At the time i thought its just the body reacting to the stress of fasting & lifting etc., now im not so sure..maybe a longer fast would make it permanent?

I did feel that I really hit a good stride between day 10 and 14, less hunger, still fatigued but it was like my body was 'ok i get it no food, lets move on with it'. I was getting morning wood, but it was just normal, post fast I am now getting wood of steel.

 

[TubZy]

Is this the one you guys are using? 500ml would be one of those bottles a day right?

https://www.amazon.com/Biotta-Breuss-Vegetable-Juice-16-9/dp/B005CD410K

 

[Canari]

Yes, only biotta does it.
Here 3,90€ per bottle.

 

[Milky]

I'm going to juice fresh as much as I can (starting tomorrow!), but also ordered 10 bottles to try for comparison or to use as backup if we run out of fresh. I got them from Puritan's Pride here: https://www.puritan.com/biotta-brand-0589/breuss-vegetable-juice-072417

To anyone considering the Breuss fast, I would mention he does emphasize in the book quite a bit that the teas are just as important. Here's one of his quotes (though he does seem to mostly speak about it in terms of its effectiveness to kill cancer):

"In my personal opinion, if you do not rely solely upon the mentioned vegetable juices and teas, my treatment will not work!"

I can't find the other one but he mentioned the mineral balance somewhere as well and that a lot of minerals are found in the teas themselves, so if you were to drink water in place of the teas along with the vegetable juice there may be some imbalances. The default Breuss protocol is the veggie juice up to 1/2 liter per day, 3 liters of Sage tea (with st. john's wort, peppermint, and lemon balm tea added), and 3/4 cups of Kidney Tea (horsetail, nettle, knotgrass, st. johns wort) taken in 1/4 cup portions 3x daily.

I also think I remember gbolduev saying when he Breuss fasts he drinks the teas as well. Can't find the quote though.

Just some more "juice" for thought. :mrgreen:

 

[Canari]

I do not like the st john wort idea for everybody.... I do not remember its action on mood, but it is not a plant for 100% persons, if I remember well.

 

[Milky]

I do not like the st john wort idea for everybody.... I do not remember its action on mood, but it is not a plant for 100% persons, if I remember well.

Yeah I researched all of them for benefits and side effects, for the most part they all seem relatively safe. The sage tea recipe is to boil 1-2 teaspoons of sage tea per 2 cups of water for 3 minutes straight, then remove from boiling and add 1 tsp each of peppermint, lemon balm and st. johns wort and let steep for 10 more minutes. We'll see how it goes. I'll start a log tomorrow.

EDIT: Here's a generic link to nutrition facts for the sage herb, per 100g: http://www.nutrition-and-you.com/sage-herb.html

For approx. 3 liters (12 cups) of sage tea per day the recipe calls for 6-12 tsps, and though grams measure weight, 6 tsps is roughly about 30g. Combined with the other tea herbs, I would definitely say there is some significant nutrient content in the teas as well.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

 

[Orion]

I do not like the st john wort idea for everybody.... I do not remember its action on mood, but it is not a plant for 100% persons, if I remember well.

Yeah I researched all of them for benefits and side effects, for the most part they all seem relatively safe. The sage tea recipe is to boil 1-2 teaspoons of sage tea per 2 cups of water for 3 minutes straight, then remove from boiling and add 1 tsp each of peppermint, lemon balm and st. johns wort and let steep for 10 more minutes. We'll see how it goes. I'll start a log tomorrow.

EDIT: Here's a generic link to nutrition facts for the sage herb, per 100g: http://www.nutrition-and-you.com/sage-herb.html

For approx. 3 liters (12 cups) of sage tea per day the recipe calls for 6-12 tsps, and though grams measure weight, 6 tsps is roughly about 30g. Combined with the other tea herbs, I would definitely say there is some significant nutrient content in the teas as well.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Does look like a lot of good nutritional value in taking the teas. I ordered the all the herbs and will use as required as well. Thanks Milky.