14 day water fast

[bruschi11]

What do you guys think about Sauna while fasting? Best thing for my brain fog with cold showers, would love to keep it up.
Also coffee enemas? I'll be doing the probiotic enemas nightly during the fast.

 

[mattyb]

What do you guys think about Sauna while fasting? Best thing for my brain fog with cold showers, would love to keep it up.
Also coffee enemas? I'll be doing the probiotic enemas nightly during the fast.

I would be careful with the saunas, you'll be at an increased risk for hypotension and already low on electrolytes - maybe with some electrolyte supplementation during the fast you could be okay. Cold showers are fine, as they are hypertensive.

 

[freeflow]

Hey bruschi, coffee enemas will deplete your electrolytes too fast during a water fast. Gerson therapy recommends 3 cups or juice for every CE done and they do 5-6 CES daily.
Sauna can be okay in moderation. Personally i will just let my body detox on its own and do some exercise. I felt the best on the day when i moved around a lot and met family members, i got the most of my personality back that day.
Going to buy some quality hyperosmotic sea water for minerals and electrolytes.

I also do hot-cold showers now and very good for my mood as well! Maybe i will try an ice bath soon. Just my hands and feet are usually cold and gets colder if i eat. But if i do heavy weight training in interval to hyperventilate my extremities warm up and stay warm for the rest of the day, feels good.

 

[bruschi11]

Hey bruschi, coffee enemas will deplete your electrolytes too fast during a water fast. Gerson therapy recommends 3 cups or juice for every CE done and they do 5-6 CES daily.
Sauna can be okay in moderation. Personally i will just let my body detox on its own and do some exercise. I felt the best on the day when i moved around a lot and met family members, i got the most of my personality back that day.
Going to buy some quality hyperosmotic sea water for minerals and electrolytes.

I also do hot-cold showers now and very good for my mood as well! Maybe i will try an ice bath soon. Just my hands and feet are usually cold and gets colder if i eat. But if i do heavy weight training in interval to hyperventilate my extremities warm up and stay warm for the rest of the day, feels good.

Thanks Freeflow. Yea I'm thinking the coffee enemas will be thrown out during this. Just regular distilled water enemas I think and at night the probiotic enemas which I think are great for fasting (we want beneficial bacteria in our system during fasts.)

I don't know what it is but I just loveee doing cold shower for 3 mins, followed by half hour sauna, followed by cold shower. Really something I do everyday now. I actually may be trying cryotherapy after my fast as there are two places near my work.

I think its just painfully obvious in my case of CFS/PFS its all driven right now by toxins. The liver flush made me sooo great for a full 48 hours afterward. The juice fast was a game changer to my major sexual symptoms which are now pretty much just average for PFS I'd say.

 

[TubZy]

I have been reading that the breus protocol juices shouldn't have any sugar, but the pre-made one that I linked to contains sugar?

 

[Orion]

I have been reading that the breus protocol juices shouldn't have any sugar, but the pre-made one that I linked to contains sugar?

The bulk of the Breuss juice is beets and then carrot, so would that account for the sugar content? The full daily 500ml serving is only 180cals, so not much though.

 

[TubZy]

I have been reading that the breus protocol juices shouldn't have any sugar, but the pre-made one that I linked to contains sugar?

The bulk of the Breuss juice is beets and then carrot, so would that account for the sugar content? The full daily 500ml serving is only 180cals, so not much though.

That was my thinking as well. I guess this link was referring to no added sugar then, I didn't know breuss had pre-made juices otherwise I probably would have tried it first.

https://www.cancertutor.com/breuss/

If you look at the formula for the Breuss juice during the fast, you will note that there is virtually no glucose or other sugars in the formula. Since his diet was probably developed by trial and error, we find it curious that it evolved to exclude fruit juices and contains virtually zero glucose and other sugars. We believe the diet works for a different reason than Breuss thought. We think it works because cancer cells are very inefficient at processing glucose and other sugars and that the formula literally starves the cancer cells to death by depriving them of glucose and other sugars. Normal cells can survive on much less glucose and other sugars because they are much more efficient at processing these items.

 

[Orion]

Wanted to post that my skin issues started creeping back in the last 2-3 days, skin is getting really oily, and acne is starting up again, so the snapback stuck for about 2 weeks using just food. Skin still best condition its ever been, but feels like I am heading backwards again.

[mention]gbolduev[/mention] recommended trying a short high dose Prog fast, which I might do this week, instead of starting a longer 40 day Breuss. I did a 3day water fast with high dose Prog in August with good results, but I did not break that fast properly or with proper 'slow oxidizer' foods afterwards. Might try this first and a Breuss fast later on...

These fasts and proper re-feed are really the last things in the bucket for me to try, in the last 10yrs I have done every diet up to full-on Peat, I own every Idealabs supplement and none helped, antibiotics, probiotics, worked up to 3-4 grains of thyroid, mega dosed fat solubles, worked with a hair test doctor, redlight, all types of exercise, accutane, B5, topicals, etc, etc, etc, etc.... most traction I have made is with gbolduev ideas.

Will think this over and make a plan for this coming week.

 

[Canari]

You did the hair test and mineral protocols? And it did not work? What lab?
Hold on, there is always a solution, I just wander why we try what works only last!!!!
I think we need the cause, and then act on several levels, not only food and minerals.

 

[Orion]

You did the hair test and mineral protocols? And it did not work? What lab?
Hold on, there is always a solution, I just wander why we try what works only last!!!!
I think we need the cause, and then act on several levels, not only food and minerals.

Worked with a hair test doc for about 1yr, two tests over that period, and followed his mineral plan, got no traction with skin issues though, and never mentioned the importance of potassium being to high like gbolduev has mentioned alot. I had high potassium, mid zinc, and low manganese. His focus was all about magnesium, and I took lots or orally and topically, no traction.

 

[Canari]

It was with one of the 2 labs we talk about here? So it seems that the problem is interpretation....

 

[Orion]

It was with one of the 2 labs we talk about here? So it seems that the problem is interpretation....

It was a with a different lab, but yes it seems that different interpretation is the flaw...

 

[Aleksandr]

Did you by any chance notice the improved erection quality (esp. morning wood) around day 9 or 10?

I remember doing PFS (protein sparing modified fast, basically fasting with around 200-300g protein and weight training every 2 days) last year for body recomp, and around day 10 i started getting morning wood of steel and random boners during the day for the first time since my early teen years.

At the time i thought its just the body reacting to the stress of fasting & lifting etc., now im not so sure..maybe a longer fast would make it permanent?

I did feel that I really hit a good stride between day 10 and 14, less hunger, still fatigued but it was like my body was 'ok i get it no food, lets move on with it'. I was getting morning wood, but it was just normal, post fast I am now getting wood of steel.

Wood of steel lmao.

Interestingly before gbolduev i always had a very strong libido, too strong / insatiable sometimes. Now with gbolduev ideas (slow oxidiser diet, intermittent fasting, reduced ejac, recently started zinc and mang) i have less 'spontaneous ' wood and less libido but when i am in the mood / the act, i also get wood of steel that is more sensitive but i somehow seem to have more control over it. I can flirt soo close to the edge for ages, if you know what i mean.

I thought the reduced ejac thing would suck, but its kind of leading to more quality over quantity.

 

[Scenes]

Wanted to post that my skin issues started creeping back in the last 2-3 days, skin is getting really oily, and acne is starting up again, so the snapback stuck for about 2 weeks using just food. Skin still best condition its ever been, but feels like I am heading backwards again.

@gbolduev recommended trying a short high dose Prog fast, which I might do this week, instead of starting a longer 40 day Breuss. I did a 3day water fast with high dose Prog in August with good results, but I did not break that fast properly or with proper 'slow oxidizer' foods afterwards. Might try this first and a Breuss fast later on...

These fasts and proper re-feed are really the last things in the bucket for me to try, in the last 10yrs I have done every diet up to full-on Peat, I own every Idealabs supplement and none helped, antibiotics, probiotics, worked up to 3-4 grains of thyroid, mega dosed fat solubles, worked with a hair test doctor, redlight, all types of exercise, accutane, B5, topicals, etc, etc, etc, etc.... most traction I have made is with gbolduev ideas.

Will think this over and make a plan for this coming week.

I’ve just finished a 3 day high prog (100-150mg) mini fast. I didn’t fast completely but hardly ate a thing for 3 days.

Also did high dose aspirin to help tank potassium in the cell.

I know it’s early days but my skin is looking pretty awesome right now. Starting zinc and nad today while cells are receptive to it hopefully.

 

[Orion]

I’ve just finished a 3 day high prog (100-150mg) mini fast. I didn’t fast completely but hardly ate a thing for 3 days.

Also did high dose aspirin to help tank potassium in the cell.

I know it’s early days but my skin is looking pretty awesome right now. Starting zinc and nad today while cells are receptive to it hopefully.

Nice, hopefully good things to report during the week.

How much aspirin did your dose each day? Also what Zn and NAD amounts you trying?

I think I will do the same this week, 5 day water fast, with 300mg Prog each day for the last 4 days(1200mg total). But this time I will break fast with lemon egg soup and eat properly following. I think I will add Zn and NAD post fast this time as well, I avoided all supps after the 14 day fast.

 

[Scenes]

I’ve just finished a 3 day high prog (100-150mg) mini fast. I didn’t fast completely but hardly ate a thing for 3 days.

Also did high dose aspirin to help tank potassium in the cell.

I know it’s early days but my skin is looking pretty awesome right now. Starting zinc and nad today while cells are receptive to it hopefully.

Nice, hopefully good things to report during the week.

How much aspirin did your dose each day? Also what Zn and NAD amounts you trying?

I think I will do the same this week, 5 day water fast, with 300mg Prog each day for the last 4 days(1200mg total). But this time I will break fast with lemon egg soup and eat properly following. I think I will add Zn and NAD post fast this time as well, I avoided all supps after the 14 day fast.

Just what he recommended: zinc 30mg, nad 500mg or less, cabergoline .25mg once a week. Do this for about a month. I’m impatient though so if I’m not noticing improvements in a week I’ll probably do something else lol.

I think I’ll add taurine (3 x 5mg) in a couple of days as well...supposedly it helps with balancing minerals. People use it for pct after nandrolone steroid cycles so I can see the potential benefit there too.

The aspirin I’ve taken for 2 days only at about 1-1.5g. I don’t think I’ve done it long enough for it to really tank potassium, especially considering I didn’t fully fast so my levels may have even risen while using progesterone!!

Regardless I feel fine right now. Will report back.

 

[Scenes]

Few days off the fast now, taking zinc nad taurine.

Feel good. Minor acne developing which is new for me so clearly something is happening.

Skin, hair and eyes look great. Mood good, libido decent but better today than yesterday and again the day before.

Been woodier but not cutting diamonds yet...we’ll see.

 

[Orion]

Few days off the fast now, taking zinc nad taurine.

Feel good. Minor acne developing which is new for me so clearly something is happening.

Skin, hair and eyes look great. Mood good, libido decent but better today than yesterday and again the day before.

Been woodier but not cutting diamonds yet...we’ll see.

For me zinc seems to clear acne and manganese produces acne post fasts, you could maybe try to lower or increase one of these and see how you respond. Thanks for the update.

 

[jaa]

@orion or anyone else

What is the lemon egg soup you eat after a fast? Is it just water, a couple of eggs, and a bit of lemon juice?

I am planning on trying a 7 day water fast this Saturday. How does this post meal plan look?

Following Saturday and Sunday - aforementioned lemon egg soup recipe 3x/day.

Breakfast Monday to Friday - normally I eat white rice + oatmeal + milk + whey protein + mangoes, cherries, and a banana. This is probably a bit much after a fast though. Should I just reduce the carbs in this by say 1/2? Or try someone else entirely like a few eggs and a bit of rice?

Lunch M to F - rice and ground moose meat + a few pumpkin seeds. I could add lentils to this as well.

Dinner M to F - pretty much my standard dinner which is low carb seafood + veg

 

[Orion]

That should be ok, longer fasts need to be broken alot slower. You can search mattyb posts, he describes points to break fasts longer than 14 days.

http://www.geniuskitchen.com/recipe/soupa-avgolemono-egg-lemon-soup-11078