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JasonSky

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Did 65 days, in Russia if people fast it is for 40 days. Even kids do it. You will survive.

It is just in the beginning you are not fasting, you are starving, until the body adapts to fats only. it happens after 7-10 days for some, for some after 14 days, and once fat adapted , it is much easier to fast. I mean I swim in the ocean 5k a day while fasting, that is how strong I get.

Sorry but 5 days fast Does nothing. It is not a fast, it is starvation. the body did not even adjust yet at all. it is not cleansing , it is suffering during this period.

"Even kids do it" lol, Russia is wild.

I was considering doing an extended water fast or Breuss jucie fasting.

Knowing you've highly recommended both, do you have a general preference over the two for recommending to people?
 

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I’ve realized that I think next Wednesday will be a good day to slowly edge out of my fast. This is the first time I’ve ever fasted more than three days, so I don’t want to do anything too drastic or shocking. That will make my fast about 9 days. Not that long, but just enough to possibly see some benefits. Later this month though, I plan to attempt fasting longer term.
 

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Bad news: I broke my fast this morning due to my cold getting out of control. When should I restart? I will have to eat at a family event next weekend but after that I’m ready to go longer.
 

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Bad news: I broke my fast this morning due to my cold getting out of control. When should I restart? I will have to eat at a family event next weekend but after that I’m ready to go longer.

So you said you started to feel better as the faster got longer. I would wait until you have a 25-30 day window, and now push for a long one.

Make sure you take electrolytes on the longer fast, daily 1gram each of NaCl, MgCl, and KCl. Also throwing in a B50 complex with no actives or methyl B's.

Lastly if you have access to ocean, get in it every day, or 1hr warm sea salt mix bath.
 

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Do you think that I’ve probably already done that to a degree? I’m getting mixed signals from this group. Some people saying that you don’t filter out amything until day seven, while others say it starts much sooner.

I am fairly certain that you already know this. --It takes time. A long ass time.
-NOT saying shorter fasting is completely useless; in great health can help a lot and even bring 50-7-80% health higher... works for a lot of ppl in Intermittent fasting and staying lean., some can eat whatever they want even 5000 cals a day and fast once a week and still lean up (ectomorphs, and also roid and GH users).
-But for you, and rite now a long fast sounds ideal. I mean I don't know if you're 6'5 and 130lb but I don't think so (that is really rare).
-basically screw thinking about fitness rite now, just ensure you are at a place and time you can fast and then fast at that time... if you're in undergrad it should be fine.
 
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MNK99

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Jesus Christ, I think it’s going to be an achievement if I reach 9-10 days. 2 weeks!?!?! I don’t think I can do that. 25-40 days!?!?! Out of the question. I don’t think I could survive 40 days.

You might be surprised. 18 days was easier than say 13 days juice... in a sense. Also, I did 21 and 10 rite before that with water having 2 meals so one at end of first fast, and one at end of 21st day or on that day... I regretted not just doing 31 straight it was like 31.5 but ya it saved my life for sure. How do I know? Progress that I barely believed the last 9months, and really.. tons of progress month to month Versus like an equal time or longer suffering close to 100% of the time with PFS.

I instinctively stopped eating, but didn't know wtf was going on, and hence had some like BCAA's and sometimes whey for at least 3-4 weeks pre surgery. I had visitors and was really sick, told them, knew they'd not care/understand... then I moved; and a couple mo's later had to fast, bc I was drinking again, and not doing much at all. 1month of fasting... and the month nearly before of juice (and longer really if you include very bad failures of fasting, like breaking with bad things)... ---> it was a living hell.

I've never felt such a lack of control over my own health nor life... safety, mind. Even MANIC as hell, surrounded by shady people... And it was really like "Chronic Fatigue on Steroids" + soon... Suicidality with no digestion, impaired (like 30 FPS vs 60FPS) vision... and decreased accuity. I was way less mentally sharp. Confusing names, writing "someone's name" as me, pick me up... on texts/ not recognizing my street... lost on my birthday dinner; 500 feet away from my apartment (that was 18mo ago or so).

-It was torture. I'd rather fast 100d straight or say realistically 60d straight then ever lose that much time again. I don't need to now... but if I ever get labotomized again - I'll do that immediately ***AND this time *** people around me will believe in it too. Considering I printed the 20 things I did (the steps) out... and they saw me from weaker than ever to stronger than ever. I workout almost as much as when I was 20 now, but have like 30-40lb more LBM.
 

cnb30

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Planning on starting a new fast this Sunday. Hopefully I can make it at LEAST 7 days this time
 

cnb30

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Well I'm finishing my second day of my next fast. Intending to go max till the end of October (22 days) and hoping to reach at least 10 days. I'm willing to do anything to get out of my current state.
 

vicecaz

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Good luck man, you've got the mindset
keep in mind the refeeding process is also important and sometimes ignored
After your fast, what are you planning to do ? It would be a great time to start one of the suggested protocol, be it TEI, Electrolye protocol, Cdnuts
 

cnb30

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I’m at day 5 now, I’m feeling incredibly exhausted all the time. When does this feeling go away?
 

MNK99

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-Soon, perhaps*. Likely**.
 

cnb30

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Good luck man, you've got the mindset
keep in mind the refeeding process is also important and sometimes ignored
After your fast, what are you planning to do ? It would be a great time to start one of the suggested protocol, be it TEI, Electrolye protocol, Cdnuts
What should I do for the refeeding process?
 

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What should I do for the refeeding process?

here is the mattyb breaking fast list from way back, this would be for very long fasts, 20+ days.

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Mattyb breaking fast protocol:

Days 1-7

Focus on mineral intake, particularly magnesium, sodium and potassium

Calories will still be low at this point, you'll likely regain some water weight but continue to lose fat

Vegetable broths, soups, well cooked vegetables, cooked leafy greens, etc.

Maybe some rice

Minimal herbs/spices

A bit of fats (eggs, butter) mixed in with the soups

Not very much protein, if any

Introduce food/calories slowly


Days 7-21

Anything from days 1-7 would be fine

Calorie intake will be slightly low, trending towards maintenance near the third week

Fresh vegetables and greens marinated in olive oil/vinegar

Some herbs/spices

More rice, maybe some well-cooked oats, small amounts of fruit, possibly small amounts of tubers

Small amounts of well cooked meat/seafood daily (slow roasted would be a good option)

Increase fat and protein gradually to get pancreas and gallbladder up to speed over these two weeks.


Days 21+

Everything from before is fine

Calories should be around maintenance near this point

By this point you should be able to exercise easily

More fruit, more carbohydrates (according to activity levels)

More foods high in manganese (oats, cereals, etc.) if well tolerated

More meat (and/or supplement zinc)

Tubers could be introduced if well tolerated

Should be hitting near the RDA of most vitamins/minerals by this point, with maybe the exception of calcium and vitamins e/d.

If digestion is robust at this point you can likely eat whatever your intuition is pushing you towards

High chloride greens - spinach, chard, beet greens, dandelion greens, and pea shoots are my go to. Sometimes I will mix in more mild greens like butterhead and romaine lettuces. Typically, the more bitter the better. I would sometimes even add salt to the salad for additional chloride.

No, not aspirin. Aspirin is a salicylate, which can stimulate the respiratory center and induce respiratory alkalosis.

Dietary acid loads would come from things like fatty acids, protein (particularly glutamate/aspartate, and maybe cysteine), vinegar (don't overdo it with this, very hard on the teeth and esophagus), HCl supplements, and ammonium chloride supplements - this list is in order from least intense to most intense therapy. Then if you pair this up with lots of water to increase urinary mineral excretion, sweating from exercise/saunas, and maybe even blood donations, you could accelerate the mineral loss. While doing this you'll want to replace essential minerals like chloride, sodium, magnesium, and potassium (lots of greens and salt are good for this) while minimizing calcium and iron intake. Zinc/copper/Mn will depend on which one you're high in, but I think replacing those can wait until you're done with the chelation. Then after all this is done you can increase iron, cysteine and methionine intake and hopefully it takes into hair with some physical stimulation from massage.
 

cnb30

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here is the mattyb breaking fast list from way back, this would be for very long fasts, 20+ days.

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Mattyb breaking fast protocol:
That seems a little excessive, but I'll try to do an abbreviated protocol.
 

MNK99

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---WELL I'm super ADHD, followed most of it... was too scared to eat badly 2-4months after fasting.
--Serious shyt not eating for 30 or 60 days. -7 to 10 days fine... not as huge a concern. BUt still* you were suffering, may as well refeed as well as possible* adjust for time.
 

cnb30

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So I’ve finally made it to about a week and I’m feeling incredibly exhausted and I have tons of work to do. Any suggestions?
 

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So I’ve finally made it to about a week and I’m feeling incredibly exhausted and I have tons of work to do. Any suggestions?
While i have no suggestions, i would like to congratulate you for your determination and persistence with fasting!
Im sure you will get quite some benefits from it and i hope you can stay on that fast for as long as you feel needed :D
 

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So I’ve finally made it to about a week and I’m feeling incredibly exhausted and I have tons of work to do. Any suggestions?

Push through, you should hit clarity soon, the adrenaline and cortisol should make you very alert, but it is normal to feel low energy.
 

cnb30

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While i have no suggestions, i would like to congratulate you for your determination and persistence with fasting!
Im sure you will get quite some benefits from it and i hope you can stay on that fast for as long as you feel needed :D
Sadly my parents are visiting this Thursday, so I’ll have to break before then. No exceptions. They will litterally call my doctors and send me to a psych ward if they find out about this.