Admiral’s PFS Log.. ARL/TEI since march 2018

[Yura]

@Admiral you did new hair test and now you follow new ARL program? Can you share it? Do you still have issues with low bioavailable copper?
I slowly try some HG7 stuff, but I take p5p form of B6 and I don't think I will go above 10% original dose..

 

[Ingeno]

Hey man, too bad ARL is causing issue, I don't have much too add, but I am also trying HG7 and if it doesn't work out I also want to try ARL. (Did 4 rounds of TEI in the past with no improvements). The only issue I have with HTMA is the long game and having to take a leap of faith, without knowing if you'll get better over 2,3,4 years?

I must say I always got neuropathy symptoms on low dose P5P, like tingling sensation in the hands and fingers, and my hands and feet 'sleep' easily, which also causes the tingling feeling. Having said that, I was afraid of the big B6 dosages of the HG7 protocol but so far it surprised me that the neuropathy symptoms are still gone most of the time. Right now experimenting with the dosages, doing 70mg B6 now. Also tried higher ones, but first trying to find ratios that I feel good on.

Also, HG7 is the first protocol that brought back some libido and sexual pleasure in a long time, so for me it's reason enough to continue experimenting with it. One issue I have is increased scalp itch heavily and insomnia, but then again, some ratios actually improved my sleep.

My 2 cents.

 

[Ingeno]

@Admiral you did new hair test and now you follow new ARL program? Can you share it? Do you still have issues with low bioavailable copper?
I slowly try some HG7 stuff, but I take p5p form of B6 and I don't think I will go above 10% original dose..

According to the creator of HG7, P5P should not be used and works differently. Not sure how true that is.

 

[Ingeno]

Last thing to add, I recently added 10mg manganese to balance out the zinc in the hope it might improve the hair loss situation. Should be supplemented together according to Helen regarding hair loss, something to do with receptor sensitivity.

Also added some histidine and some arginine as these are fuel for zinc and manganese.

And also doing like 10mg B1, 5-10mg B2 and 25mg B3 to support glutathion synthesis. Also because B6 requires B2 for activation. And small dose of magnesium with the HG7 supplements, also required for B6.

 

[Admiral]

@Admiral you did new hair test and now you follow new ARL program? Can you share it? Do you still have issues with low bioavailable copper?
I slowly try some HG7 stuff, but I take p5p form of B6 and I don't think I will go above 10% original dose..

.. and yes, nothing changed other than what I posted.

Edit: it won’t let me add my hair test. Will try again later.

 

[Admiral]

Hey man, too bad ARL is causing issue, I don't have much too add, but I am also trying HG7 and if it doesn't work out I also want to try ARL. (Did 4 rounds of TEI in the past with no improvements). The only issue I have with HTMA is the long game and having to take a leap of faith, without knowing if you'll get better over 2,3,4 years?

I must say I always got neuropathy symptoms on low dose P5P, like tingling sensation in the hands and fingers, and my hands and feet 'sleep' easily, which also causes the tingling feeling. Having said that, I was afraid of the big B6 dosages of the HG7 protocol but so far it surprised me that the neuropathy symptoms are still gone most of the time. Right now experimenting with the dosages, doing 70mg B6 now. Also tried higher ones, but first trying to find ratios that I feel good on.

Also, HG7 is the first protocol that brought back some libido and sexual pleasure in a long time, so for me it's reason enough to continue experimenting with it. One issue I have is increased scalp itch heavily and insomnia, but then again, some ratios actually improved my sleep.

My 2 cents.

Same. Experienced some real positives on high dose HG7: increased libido, better erection quality, premature ejaculation disappeared and finally was able to pack a bit of muscle while working out. Took over 100/150mg of b6 during that span and while it wasn’t an issue for those trailing, it was for me. B6 raised to 444 (upper limit was 100). Can’t figure out why I am so sensitive to it. I am low in magnesium and vit c, so maybe that’s why.

Cons: insomnia - wide awake at 4AM; accelerated hairloss; bleeding gums; trilling eyelids; more pelvic floor tension.

The neuropathy never fully left my system.

All in all, I saw more benefits in HG7 than ARL ever did.

Took just a small dose for the past two months, and even then only twice or 3 times a week:

B6 - 50mg
B7 - 350mg
B5 - 250mg
C - 2000mg
Molybdenum - 2000 mg
Zinc - 100mg
EGCG - 900mg

Benefits were less obvious, but being on ARL now, the benefits were greater than originally thought.

We need to explore HG7 more and try to figure out how to cope with the b6 sensitivity.

 

[Ingeno]

Same. Experienced some real positives on high dose HG7: increased libido, better erection quality, premature ejaculation disappeared and finally was able to pack a bit of muscle while working out. Took over 100/150mg of b6 during that span and while it wasn’t an issue for those trailing, it was for me. B6 raised to 444 (upper limit was 100). Can’t figure out why I am so sensitive to it. I am low in magnesium and vit c, so maybe that’s why.

Cons: insomnia - wide awake at 4AM; accelerated hairloss; bleeding gums; trilling eyelids; more pelvic floor tension.

The neuropathy never fully left my system.

All in all, I saw more benefits in HG7 than ARL ever did.

Took just a small dose for the past two months, and even then only twice or 3 times a week:

B6 - 50mg
B7 - 350mg
B5 - 250mg
C - 2000mg
Molybdenum - 2000 mg
Zinc - 100mg
EGCG - 900mg

Benefits were less obvious, but being on ARL now, the benefits were greater than originally thought.

We need to explore HG7 more and try to figure out how to cope with the b6 sensitivity.

Have you tried higher b7? Should protect a bit against the neuropathy according to the creator. Also lower C and lower molybdenum, that's what I do for now to not chelate the little copper I have available too much, doing 1200mg C and 1000-1500 molybdenum atm.

 

[Ingeno]

I take around 500mg b7, as that dosage already clumps a bit when putting it under the tongue.

 

[Admiral]

Have you tried higher b7? Should protect a bit against the neuropathy according to the creator. Also lower C and lower molybdenum, that's what I do for now to not chelate the little copper I have available too much, doing 1200mg C and 1000-1500 molybdenum atm.

Yeah I tried the higher dose each day for a few weeks.

Well, after all the HG7 stuff, my latest hairtest actually saw my copper increase 0.2. Not much, but take it for what it’s worth.

I think our PFS bodies are lacking nutrients so bad, that we need different ratio’s than what Heisenberg is saying. Plan now it to jump back on hg7, every other day, lower b6 and take just vit c and magnesium on the days off. Both are drained a lot on HG7 and mine are already low.

 

[manu]

Did HG7 on and off for about 7 months. It’s something that raised my hormones for sure, but the b6 in it caused a lot of havoc for me. Probably because I am low in lots of nutrients and minerals. Can’t figure out how to calibrate properly, either.

Went back on ARL. Two/three weeks in right now and all the gains I had due to HG7 vanished and I am back to baseline - testosterone plummeted: hairloss stopped, facial hair stops growing, horrible erection quality and premature ejaculation. Also lots of candida flair ups and headaches. This all scares me and wants me to quit again. Can’t remember ARL causing this before. Exactly a year ago went on pretty much the same ARL cycle - did nothing. The follow up cycle they handed me copper and it made me so depressed I had to quit.

Any comforting anekdotes here? Should I push through? Or is this a signal I should look elsewhere?

Push through!
Cycles can be very tough if you are in a bad place. It is not for the weak. And you have to stick with it otherwise it was for nothing.

It's normal to be worse while on first cycles.
Your body found some kind of balancing over time to survive and now it is pushed in a specific direction by ARL. It is a stressful state. But ARL learns a lot by the way your body reacts to it.
Good luck man

 

[Ingeno]

Yeah I tried the higher dose each day for a few weeks.

Well, after all the HG7 stuff, my latest hairtest actually saw my copper increase 0.2. Not much, but take it for what it’s worth.

I think our PFS bodies are lacking nutrients so bad, that we need different ratio’s than what Heisenberg is saying. Plan now it to jump back on hg7, every other day, lower b6 and take just vit c and magnesium on the days off. Both are drained a lot on HG7 and mine are already low.

Yeah but I meant keep B6 a bit low and only B7 higher?

Its weird how HG7 works, more people mention copper and iron going up on the hair test, also some guys pushing out heavy metals like lead and aluminum. The last would be a godsend though because I always felt I got heavy metals from my mother and vaccines.

 

[Admiral]

Push through!
Cycles can be very tough if you are in a bad place. It is not for the weak. And you have to stick with it otherwise it was for nothing.

It's normal to be worse while on first cycles.
Your body found some kind of balancing over time to survive and now it is pushed in a specific direction by ARL. It is a stressful state. But ARL learns a lot by the way your body reacts to it.
Good luck man

Thanks Manu!

But worsening sexual symptoms is rather new to me. ARL or TEI made me worse before. But those were groggy feelings, brainfog, lack of energy, etc - I can push through that.

 

[bruschi11]

Thanks Manu!

But worsening sexual symptoms is rather new to me. ARL or TEI made me worse before. But those were groggy feelings, brainfog, lack of energy, etc - I can push through that.

Really think ARL tei can just be flat out useless in a lot of our cases. It’s just like we have some systems off that can’t turn on like sirt1 which is VDR. And what turns this on? Egcg. 4 andro. We know 4 andro helps pfs. And we see egcg in hg7.

The hg7 guy says it himself… the most important things are zinc and egcg in his protocol. It’s basically zinc finger. Egcg for VDR essentially dumps iron from pancreas. And need iron as fe2 to raise histidine for zinc finger. Using zinc. Hence the need for heavy zinc dosing. We need biotin here but there dosages are excessive. 3-5mg is all I need.

Well histidine and biotin use cysteine and I like ALA here to cover for that.

I think ALA, inositol, iodine (very careful with it I start at 12.5mcg and titration up.) , choline b12 methylfolafe and just normal things like ca/mg electrolytes go with hg7 well.

 

[Admiral]

You guys have any clue as to why the b6 builds up in my body during HG7? If I can figure that out, I could continue HG7. ChatGPT is spitting out different nonsense each time.

 

[Yura]

@Admiral Do you have good fluid intake to flush with urine the excess?

 

[bruschi11]

You guys have any clue as to why the b6 builds up in my body during HG7? If I can figure that out, I could continue HG7. ChatGPT is spitting out different nonsense each time.

B6 activation is reliant on FMN+mag. B2 to fmn reliant on thyroid (zinc potassium and iodine/ selenium utilization.) Many of us don’t need to feed selenium it tends to build up in tissues and methionine production seems to pull it out .many don’t need iodine as production of tyrosine and inositol allow us to use it.

I think we have to realize hg7 guy came up with a cool protocol but has zero understanding of this stuff the way a Gbold or even someone like myself can see things.

He tries to say “biotin makes b6 work.” No it doesn’t . Does biotin have major role in raising beta alanine and CoA so thyroid can work. Sure. But so much is needed for b6 to work.

Hg7 is just another protocol that doesn’t look to individualize people. You need to know your own case. I like oligoscan next to OATs to know your own case.

For record. I think moly is not a good long term supp. And I use methylb12 Methylfolafe iodine cal mag to replace moly maybe lithium is needed depending on person. Methylfolate meb12 can be big for selenium utilization .

 

[bruschi11]

Re: b2 metaboslim. GRJ was wrong and fucking stupid too.

I talked fmn . Well fmn to fad is needed for succinate to fumarate and fumarate is fat metabolsim and aspartate. Aspartate= beta alanine = nmda= technically electrolyte protocol

Fmn to fad is via phos mag. Phos is via VDR. VDR is turned on by egcg.

We wanna work between akg and fumarate in the Krebs. When this works. We got a lot going for us. Akg needs ALA and glutamate (egcg and b6 activity zinc help glutamate).

Succinate is next step and needs adob12 biotin. Fumarate next step needs fad.

So as I was saying b12 biotin methylfolafe ALA egcg then thyroid stuff like iodine inositol zinc. Makes more sense to me than just flat hg7. Choline is big here we need glycine which choline feeds and glycine puts chloride in cell.

This is why I like a combo of fredds protocol with hg7 minus the carnitine and testo. We want to make carnitine.

 

[Admiral]

Thanks Brus. My TSH has been between 7.5 and 13 this past year, so my thyroid is definitely not working as it should. Maybe that’s the culprit as to why b6 is building up as my body is not able to convert b2 into fmn r5p.

I will take fmn and magnesium, together with the thyro supplement from ARL and hope to cope with the b6 better.

Agree on the HG7 part. I think in it’s core, it’s a powerful protocol, but it’s not a one size fits all protocol. Everybody needs their own tweaks.

 

[bruschi11]

Thanks Brus. My TSH has been between 7.5 and 13 this past year, so my thyroid is definitely not working as it should. Maybe that’s the culprit as to why b6 is building up as my body is not able to convert b2 into fmn r5p.

I will take fmn and magnesium, together with the thyro supplement from ARL and hope to cope with the b6 better.

Agree on the HG7 part. I think in it’s core, it’s a powerful protocol, but it’s not a one size fits all protocol. Everybody needs their own tweaks.

I don’t think r5p will do the job it’s just tough in this situation.

getting thyroid working. Iodine wand selenium utilization willl be huge for you.

Try to get oligoscan done I’m sure they are available near u. We can see real truth as to why your thyroid so fucked up.

And yes it’s def the culprit hearing what you’re saying now.

God it’s been 8+ years later since Gbold brought us to hack. I’m glad we’ve all stuck around. I think we are finally getting answers

 

[Yura]

@Admiral wow you have bad thyroid like me.. Also TSH above 4 all the time. Lower free T4, free T3 ok. So I started T4 meds stupid idea. Was taking it 6 months. Can't test reverse T3 here, but because my free T3 went down not up it was clear my reverse T3 was sky hign. My body was refusing speed up metabolism. So I stopped taking it. I have to trust my body. Will never try thyroid meds again ever.
How is your pooping? DO you have poop that looks like dark brown sausage that passes easily or you have laso bile issues so constipation, pale stool etc..?
I think HG7 is disaster if your phase 3 detox is not working. You are pushing like crazy 1 and 2, but all that gets recycled because it can't be eliminated from the body..
Had always somewhat elevated liver enzymes. Only TUDCA was able to lower them to normal ranges.. Probably should take it all the time and higher doses. It's just expensive as fuck...