Brainstorming & Ideas (PFS - Gbol)

[Snow1]

Guys seeking some advice here. I'm thinking of getting some Ella or RU shipped to me in Australia and some Thorne extra so I have it in about a month to try after my r-andro cycle which I'm a week and a half into.

What is the general consensus on what is better out of Ella or RU for a long time PFS suffer? Obviously I want the safest option out of the two with little risk of things going backwards. I already have some pramipex in the draw, is there anything else I should consider ordering online in prep for a potential cycle?

Another part of me is thinking to hang off and wait to see what comes of Gbolduev's tests and new ideas...maybe even the mineral, vitamin and licorice approach or do we all still feel RU is a great game changer to take first then go from there?

 

[freeflow]

Im also getting more and more inclined to get RU or Ella, reading the new improvements of those who took it.

 

[Helen]

Update. Day 2 on Ace plus cofactors. MUCH MUCH BETTER. today. I think if this goes like this I will be good within a week

 

[Shadow]

Update. Day 2 on Ace plus cofactors. MUCH MUCH BETTER. today. I think if this goes like this I will be good within a week

Awesome news!!!

 

[Jaxx]

How long did you wait in between fin and your protocol now? This cant be fin effect naturally leaving the body i assume?
Promising result!

 

[TubZy]

Update. Day 2 on Ace plus cofactors. MUCH MUCH BETTER. today. I think if this goes like this I will be good within a week

How much ace and which cofactors, or you are just taking Thorne?

 

[wuf]

How long did you wait in between fin and your protocol now? This cant be fin effect naturally leaving the body i assume?
Promising result!

Yes, time ago I asked the same question to gbold..if he got cured because of his protocol or because he is not a PFS suffer.. who knows.

 

[Helen]

I took fin, felt fine on it. Then quit fin, after 2-3 days off I crashed very hard. could not even walk. or think. total subworld.

Saturday I was feeling very bad. I was off fin for a week. then took ace plus magnesium potassium copper , zinc, b2 some iron , plus calcium

Yesterday I took thorne and above at different times

Today woke up fine with an erection. Went out , no anxiety. I will test if this sticks when I quit all of this within a week

 

[Reverse]

[mention]gbolduev[/mention]

hi, i'm wondering if it matters how long a person is in the PFS state?
Does it affect the chance of successful recovery?
And does is affect how long I would have to cycle RU or ELLA?

 

[TubZy]

I took fin, felt fine on it. Then quit fin, after 2-3 days off I crashed very hard. could not even walk. or think. total subworld.

Saturday I was feeling very bad. I was off fin for a week. then took ace plus magnesium potassium copper , zinc, b2 some iron , plus calcium

Yesterday I took thorne and above at different times

Today woke up fine with an erection. Went out , no anxiety. I will test if this sticks when I quit all of this within a week

I have 250mg ace tablets, is that overkill?

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev

hi, i'm wondering if it matters how long a person is in the PFS state?
Does it affect the chance of successful recovery?
And does is affect how long I would have to cycle RU or ELLA?

it probably does matter. More you in more certain minerals you lose

 

[Helen]

I took fin, felt fine on it. Then quit fin, after 2-3 days off I crashed very hard. could not even walk. or think. total subworld.

Saturday I was feeling very bad. I was off fin for a week. then took ace plus magnesium potassium copper , zinc, b2 some iron , plus calcium

Yesterday I took thorne and above at different times

Today woke up fine with an erection. Went out , no anxiety. I will test if this sticks when I quit all of this within a week

I have 250mg ace tablets, is that overkill?

That is what I took , one a day

 

[Helen]

I hope my trial is valid, since may be it will be different if I were in PFS for a while, I guess I would lose tons of minerals thru time. We will see

 

[bruschi11]

[mention]gbolduev[/mention] say if you had fasted for 21 days beforehand, which route would you have taken here?

I'm a week from the end of my fast and plan to run RU about a week afterward. I've had PFS now for 11 months and I'm a slow oxidixer. Any advice would be amazing.

 

[blindsided]

I'm late to the party on this one and maybe this was discussed before. If so, my apologies for the redundant question.

When some quit Fin, like myself, they develop sexual, physical, and mental sides. Does this theory account for how all of these sides occur (the downstream mechanism) say for example digestion issues, weight/muscle loss, dark/dry eyes, etc.?

Thanks for any input.

 

[brix]

I hope my trial is valid, since may be it will be different if I were in PFS for a while, I guess I would lose tons of minerals thru time. We will see

How do you feel about the clomid protocol you initially used for PFS?

Not worth it?

 

[TubZy]

I took fin, felt fine on it. Then quit fin, after 2-3 days off I crashed very hard. could not even walk. or think. total subworld.

Saturday I was feeling very bad. I was off fin for a week. then took ace plus magnesium potassium copper , zinc, b2 some iron , plus calcium

Yesterday I took thorne and above at different times

Today woke up fine with an erection. Went out , no anxiety. I will test if this sticks when I quit all of this within a week

I have 250mg ace tablets, is that overkill?

That is what I took , one a day

When I took one tab of ace with licorice root the other day it kept off pretty much all of retention from the licorice root.

I tried ace the other day (just by itself no potassium or minerals/vitamins) and both of my feet kept falling asleep and I felt dizzy. My potassium has got to be tanked so bad, I need to try ace with Thorne and potassium.

 

[Helen]

Yeah, try to take it with what I took it with

You probably already tanked your potassium with RU Ella, ace . You need to rebuild now.

 

[IHateFin]

Guys seeking some advice here. I'm thinking of getting some Ella or RU shipped to me in Australia and some Thorne extra so I have it in about a month to try after my r-andro cycle which I'm a week and a half into.

What is the general consensus on what is better out of Ella or RU for a long time PFS suffer? Obviously I want the safest option out of the two with little risk of things going backwards. I already have some pramipex in the draw, is there anything else I should consider ordering online in prep for a potential cycle?

Another part of me is thinking to hang off and wait to see what comes of Gbolduev's tests and new ideas...maybe even the mineral, vitamin and licorice approach or do we all still feel RU is a great game changer to take first then go from there?

I personally think RU is amazing and can be a game changer once the ideal dose is found which could very well be as low as 5 to 10mg the way that ella is proving to be beneficial at.
I still believe that its almost the perfect antithesis to finasteride, but the dose that works as the perfect anti-fin has yet to be identified.

what gbold is doing here is truly ground breaking and could be a more complex yet better approach than even ru, but only time will tell from his trials and from what the current ru trials evolve into.
I personally think that ru is better as the way it works is more predictable and it also will help with cort as well.

honestly since ru is harder to get and more expensive taking the vitamin and mineral route may be an easier first approach and then go from there.

 

[BeLikeWater]

I took fin, felt fine on it. Then quit fin, after 2-3 days off I crashed very hard. could not even walk. or think. total subworld.

Saturday I was feeling very bad. I was off fin for a week. then took ace plus magnesium potassium copper , zinc, b2 some iron , plus calcium

Yesterday I took thorne and above at different times

Today woke up fine with an erection. Went out , no anxiety. I will test if this sticks when I quit all of this within a week

I thought you had pfs and cured it long time ago?