Brainstorming & Ideas (PFS - Gbol)

[Aleksandr]

@gbolduev what do you think of the alkaline diet?

https://draxe.com/alkaline-diet/ good for slow oxidisers?

 

[Aleksandr]

Also wanted to point out, been doing some more research on some stuff and it seems the herb jiaogulan is anti sodium and can retain potassium in the cell. So it could be good for anyone coming off of RU/ella/licorice etc. to get potassium back up quick again.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/52944-jiaogulin-gynostemma-pentaphyllum-the-immortality-herb/
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/53029-looking-to-manage-memory-adhd-stimless/?&p=490323#entry490323

jiaogulan, a circulation tonic and immune stimulant. It's a general longevity herb.

• Stabilizes blood pressure
  Increases NO
  Lowers heart rate while increasing heart stroke
  Increases SOD
  Lowers cholesterol and triglecerides
  Treats jet lag and altitude sickness
  Treats diabetes
  Protective of dopaminergic neurons
  Suppresses tumor growth
  Attenuates white matter from brain decline
  Inhibits Na/K Pump in the brain (retains Potassium in the cell, lowers Sodium)

The thing I am most interested in is its Potassium retention effects. Potassium, as many have noted, can arguably treat ADHD symptoms. As HighOrder stated, it's a really hard mineral to make sure you get enough. It may be interesting to note that both the D4 dopaminergic receptor and Alpha2A adrenergic receptor both downregulate cAMP production in the prefrontal cortex, and that cAMP inhibits proper transmission in this area. cAMP upregulates the Na/K pump.

The problem i have with this idea... isnt contraran endoctrinology different to this?

I.e. if it retains potassium, when you come off your potassium will be lower since it is less sensitive.

I have high sodium so im taking licorice root, which makes it even higher (while youre on it) but then desensitises it and lowes sodium on snapback

 

[jacknap]

[mention]TubZy[/mention] [mention]gbolduev[/mention]

one of the fastest recoverers of PFS (entropy) notes here

'Jel, what's your opinion on the finasteride issue in general? Considering its a progesterone based steroid iirc, could this essentially just be super deca dick?'

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/general-discussion/2529-shbg-questions-2.html#post43223

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnNWe3YN8hg

 

[TubZy]

Also wanted to point out, been doing some more research on some stuff and it seems the herb jiaogulan is anti sodium and can retain potassium in the cell. So it could be good for anyone coming off of RU/ella/licorice etc. to get potassium back up quick again.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/52944-jiaogulin-gynostemma-pentaphyllum-the-immortality-herb/
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/53029-looking-to-manage-memory-adhd-stimless/?&p=490323#entry490323

jiaogulan, a circulation tonic and immune stimulant. It's a general longevity herb.

• Stabilizes blood pressure
  Increases NO
  Lowers heart rate while increasing heart stroke
  Increases SOD
  Lowers cholesterol and triglecerides
  Treats jet lag and altitude sickness
  Treats diabetes
  Protective of dopaminergic neurons
  Suppresses tumor growth
  Attenuates white matter from brain decline
  Inhibits Na/K Pump in the brain (retains Potassium in the cell, lowers Sodium)

The thing I am most interested in is its Potassium retention effects. Potassium, as many have noted, can arguably treat ADHD symptoms. As HighOrder stated, it's a really hard mineral to make sure you get enough. It may be interesting to note that both the D4 dopaminergic receptor and Alpha2A adrenergic receptor both downregulate cAMP production in the prefrontal cortex, and that cAMP inhibits proper transmission in this area. cAMP upregulates the Na/K pump.

The problem i have with this idea... isnt contraran endoctrinology different to this?

I.e. if it retains potassium, when you come off your potassium will be lower since it is less sensitive.

I have high sodium so im taking licorice root, which makes it even higher (while youre on it) but then desensitises it and lowes sodium on snapback

How would that be any different than supplementing with pure potassium and zinc/copper/magnesium (like gbol and many others are doing now)? They will raise potassium as well, right?

Honestly, I don't know for sure if jiaogulin raises potassium or just retains it better. If it just retains it better (which it seems that what it does), wouldn't that be a good thing to take post RU/ella when potassium levels are super low? By retaining potassium, it would just speed up the process.

How are you doing on licorice BTW

 

[Helen]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

 

[Jaxx]

How does this relate to progesterone? Should those values drop with this protocol?

 

[Helen]

Progesterone will drop yes , so will cortisol

 

[Snow1]

Awesome news for you Gbolduev, I was wondering how you were getting on fixing this for yourself. can you please outline the quantity of each supplement you take each day during the week.

I have been deciding if I should order and try ru or Ella but may try this approach first - seems safer. I have suffered PFS for 8 years so I can only imagine if this was going to work for me I'd need to run with this protocol for a few months yea?

I also have very low testosterone and high sghb so could i also throw in boran?

 

[wuf]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

[mention]gbolduev[/mention]
Are you saying you recovered in 1 week just by using ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and throne?

So, what did you experimented by your lab's tests?
And could you give a protocol with a general cure to try for us?

I mean, sorry to say this but...I am not sure anymore if you are a real PFS suffer, there is people suffering from 10+ years as me...and you want to tell me that this hell can be fixed just by using some copper potassium etc in 1 week?!... Kidding me right?

Thanks

 

[Helen]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

@gbolduev
Are you saying you recovered in 1 week just by using ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and throne?

So, what did you experimented by your lab's tests?
And could you give a protocol with a general cure to try for us?

I mean, sorry to say this but...I am not sure anymore if you are a real PFS suffer, there is people suffering from 10+ years as me...and you want to tell me that this hell can be fixed just by using some copper potassium etc in 1 week?!... Kidding me right?

Thanks

I already posted everything I experimented with in the lab, that is why I took what I took. Alkalosis can support itself and it wont go away for years.
If I take care of it, why would I suffer for 10 years.

As I said the experiement could be biased, since I did not lose many minerals while being in PFS for a long time. Thus the recovery was fast

Why would not I recover fast, if I crashed fast. Many people take fin for a week and crash for years. SO the recovery is also very fast. Same as with RU , same as with Ella, etc. Recovery is within weeks.

Alkalosis does not go away on its own. It takes years for it to do that if ever.

 

[Orion]

I already posted everything I experimented with in the lab, that is why I took what I took. Alkalosis can support itself and it wont go away for years.
If I take care of it, why would I suffer for 10 years.

As I said the experiement could be biased, since I did not lose many minerals while being in PFS for a long time. Thus the recovery was fast

Why would not I recover fast, if I crashed fast. Many people take fin for a week and crash for years. SO the recovery is also very fast. Same as with RU , same as with Ella, etc. Recovery is within weeks.

Do long fasts fix alkalosis?

 

[blindsided]

Sorry for the dumb question as I haven't read the whole story, but could someone let me know what "ace" is? Thanks.

 

[Helen]

I already posted everything I experimented with in the lab, that is why I took what I took. Alkalosis can support itself and it wont go away for years.
If I take care of it, why would I suffer for 10 years.

As I said the experiement could be biased, since I did not lose many minerals while being in PFS for a long time. Thus the recovery was fast

Why would not I recover fast, if I crashed fast. Many people take fin for a week and crash for years. SO the recovery is also very fast. Same as with RU , same as with Ella, etc. Recovery is within weeks.

Do long fasts fix alkalosis?

Especially Breuss,

 

[mattyb]

Sorry for the dumb question as I haven't read the whole story, but could someone let me know what "ace" is? Thanks.

Acetazolamide AKA Diamox. It is a carbonic anhydrase inhibitor.

 

[TubZy]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

Does ace need to be cycled or can be taken consistently? Which method is better?

Also, where did you get it from?

 

[wuf]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

@gbolduev
Are you saying you recovered in 1 week just by using ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and throne?

So, what did you experimented by your lab's tests?
And could you give a protocol with a general cure to try for us?

I mean, sorry to say this but...I am not sure anymore if you are a real PFS suffer, there is people suffering from 10+ years as me...and you want to tell me that this hell can be fixed just by using some copper potassium etc in 1 week?!... Kidding me right?

Thanks

I already posted everything I experimented with in the lab, that is why I took what I took. Alkalosis can support itself and it wont go away for years.
If I take care of it, why would I suffer for 10 years.

As I said the experiement could be biased, since I did not lose many minerals while being in PFS for a long time. Thus the recovery was fast

Why would not I recover fast, if I crashed fast. Many people take fin for a week and crash for years. SO the recovery is also very fast. Same as with RU , same as with Ella, etc. Recovery is within weeks.

Alkalosis does not go away on its own. It takes years for it to do that if ever.

So are you basically claming that PFS is alkalosis status?
Once you get out from alkalosis then your body will heal?

 

[gaivs]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

Gbolduev what form of zinc, copper, potassium, magnesium, etc, did you use? how much of each? And which thorne supplement?

 

[wuf]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

Gbolduev what form of zinc, copper, potassium, magnesium, etc, did you use? how much of each? And which thorne supplement?

Yes exactly, we need a protocol to try to fix it as you did.
Plus I am going to test myself to see if I am in alkalosis status.

 

[Mey]

Alkalosis does not go away on its own. It takes years for it to do that if ever.

This is meaningful to me, two years ago I suffered respiratory problem. My breathing was normal but I felt lack of oxygen. After searching a lot I fixed it by Buteyko breathing technique.
Now I find that it occur because of alkalosis

 

[IHateFin]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

Gbolduev what form of zinc, copper, potassium, magnesium, etc, did you use? how much of each? And which thorne supplement?

he is taking thorne extra. I have it and I take it here n there on my current cycle. its pretty amazing stuff.