Electrolyte Protocol for Improved Health

[Jaxx]

No one told people to get these tests, that is the point I am telling you. read the first page. if some people got stupid hairtest with no program, they are dumb idiots. What can I tell you. If the protocol says to get a program, but you dont. you are not following a protocol.
Progesterone RU and Ella are part of the protocols that I suggested, You can try and take them.Levonorgestrel is progesterone, which is exactly my rec.

As I said, I did not deal with PSSD cases. I have no idea why you look at other peoples cases, if I specifically said that PSSD is different from PFS. and I mentioned what I thought about it. ( mangesium and manganese) All the cases here are PFS, and I did not deal with one PSSD case. I have no idea if it would work for PSSD. I mean zinc finger etc.

First case for PSSD is barbar. who I took over just recently , and he is trying somethings.

Which exact protocol did you try, zinc finger? what did you take?

I started with this:

my PSSD log (10mg fluoxetine ruined me)


buffkin14 said:
past few days numbness returned if it doesnt go away i will go back on st johns wort maybe that truly cured my numbness while i was on it for months

Gbolduev said:
Why dont you try the protocol that I gave to Scenes. in zinc finger thread.

You should understand that taking histidine and cysteine will eventually cause low copper and thus your gains did not last.

Glycine 500mg
Lysine 500mg
Histidine 250mg approx (more and I get congested overnight)
Copper 2mg
Magnesium 400mg
Potassium 500mg

But then the health protocol was published, so HCL, enzymes and aminos were added. Most change was the headache and fewer toilet moments.

 

[Helen]

@Jaxx I think you are very confused.

from Ray Peat forum. I said that any one who wants to go hormonal route, Need to try either progesterone or RU. ( ella) those are 2 things hormonally

then I tried to make program to do the same things with minerals. and I created electrolytes protocol. WHICH told you to get balanced at ARL

Zinc finger protocol said exactly that also. Only tubzy again was taking histidine and cysteine and told people he felt good on them. Zinc finger protocol said to get on nutritional balancing program and see which parts of zinc finger you are missing, or try different parts of zinc finger. IN zinc finger thread , I put people on 2 protocol for slow and fast oxidizer. the protocol for fast oxidizer cured Scenes. And it had nothing to do with histidine and cysteine. That is another Tubzy protocol

 

[Jaxx]

progesterone was suggested in my orignal 10 protocols. I said RU or progesterone. levonorgestrel is just progesterone

I simplified protocols and said to try either RU or progesterone. And people without trying them go on zinc fingers etc.

Yes i know it is very similar. Just pointing out that i have tried Ella, but that didnt do much.

 

[Helen]

@Jaxx

I understand, but you guys are PSSD, I saw some posts on the PSSD forum that exactly this stuff works for PSSD. Someone was taking copper and electrolytes magnesium and salt. And it was working very well for PSSD.
But then I saw hairtests with 2 people with PSSD. and those hairtests were different. This is why I said to you , that taking all the same stuff is worthless. People cant take the same stuff,

You can pick and guess for your body chemistry for 10 years and spend gazillion dollars on worthless supplements and trials. this is why I rec people to get hairtests at first, so at least they know if they are fast or slow oxidizers. Like Tubzy was a fast oxidizer on ARL and he rec'ed people to follow what helped him and peopel with PSSD, I bet most are very slow oxidizers, and of course stuff that works for Scenes who is a fast oxidizer, ( that is why he did good on copper) is not going to applicable to people like you or barbar, who are extremely slow oxidizers, that is why those people do better on progesterones which retain potassium. but bettter on zinc manganese magnesium iron.

 

[Jaxx]

@Jaxx

I understand, but you guys are PSSD, I saw some posts on the PSSD forum that exactly this stuff works for PSSD. Someone was taking copper and electrolytes magnesium and salt. And it was working very well for PSSD.
But then I saw hairtests with 2 people with PSSD. and those hairtests were different. This is why I said to you , that taking all the same stuff is worthless. People cant take the same stuff,

I understand that there might not be 1 PSSD solution, actually there have been several successful PSSD routes so far, but only worked for few each time. Getting the benefits to stick seems more difficult in PSSD than PFS perhaps?
The Zinc finger was worth a shot, but a miss unfortunately. I dont regret it, i am just saying i did read it and it didnt work. I was not doing random shit, but i know it wasnt tailored to me.
But let me ask it another way, have ARL programs/practitioners actually cured anyone here so-far? I am only making an argument that there is limited success from what i have seen.

 

[barbaar]

@Jaxx

I understand, but you guys are PSSD, I saw some posts on the PSSD forum that exactly this stuff works for PSSD. Someone was taking copper and electrolytes magnesium and salt. And it was working very well for PSSD.
But then I saw hairtests with 2 people with PSSD. and those hairtests were different. This is why I said to you , that taking all the same stuff is worthless. People cant take the same stuff,

You can pick and guess for your body chemistry for 10 years and spend gazillion dollars on worthless supplements and trials. this is why I rec people to get hairtests at first, so at least they know if they are fast or slow oxidizers. Like Tubzy was a fast oxidizer on ARL and he rec'ed people to follow what helped him and peopel with PSSD, I bet most are very slow oxidizers, and of course stuff that works for Scenes who is a fast oxidizer, ( that is why he did good on copper) is not going to applicable to people like you or barbar, who are extremely slow oxidizers, that is why those people do better on progesterones which retain potassium. but bettter on zinc manganese magnesium iron.

Can confirm, I tried the scenes stuff for a while when it was first posted and it did nothing for me.

 

[Helen]

I understand that there might not be 1 PSSD solution, actually there have been several successful PSSD routes so far, but only worked for few each time. Getting the benefits to stick seems more difficult in PSSD than PFS perhaps?
The Zinc finger was worth a shot, but a miss unfortunately. I dont regret it, i am just saying i did read it and it didnt work. I was not doing random shit, but i know it wasnt tailored to me.
But let me ask it another way, have ARL programs/practitioners actually cured anyone here so-far? I am only making an argument that there is limited success from what i have seen.

Raincoast - cured. He did the hairtest, took the program CURED he took finasteride for a long long time.
Herrfish doing much better
Scences cured I gave him exact ARL program for the fast oxidizer.
Tubzy is on ARL now.

LImited info, since no one really did it )) The ones I mentioned are the ones I gave recs to based on their hairtest.

PSSD no cases, Since I had no cases of PSSD. Barbar first

So far I would say it is 100% cure rate. limited success? how? people are taking stuff for their oxidation are cured.

None of these people took ARL supplements, but they took ARL recs and combines the supplements themselves with my recs

No other people are taking this protocol. NONE. Only March( he is doing it by himself by ARL chart) check his log. Orion( doing it by himself also from ARL mineral chart interaction) Herrfish, Raincoast , taking my recs based on their oxidation rate( matches ARL) Scenes ( took a program for a fast oxidizer from ARL) which did not work for you. Barbar is taking my recs now based on his oxidation rec.but probably will add ARL soon.

That is it . those are the only people who are doing this. And the success rate so far is very high. You can ask all these people how they are doing yourself

 

[Jaxx]

Raincoast - cured. He did the hairtest, took the program CURED he took finasteride for a long long time.
Herrfish doing much better
Scences cured I gave him exact ARL program for the fast oxidizer.
Tubzy is on ARL now.

LImited info, since no one really did it )) The ones I mentioned are the ones I gave recs to based on their hairtest.

PSSD no cases, Since I had no cases of PSSD. Barbar first

So far I would say it is 100% cure rate. limited success? how? people are taking stuff for their oxidation are cured.

Well i can only judge by what i see, i have seen few proper logs having the full hairtest, program, diet and logged gains. So from my perspective its rather limited looking at the range of posts here.

Do you think he needs your support or standard ARL program is enough?
If he needs and gets support thats great, but how to replicate it? It would be awesome to pinpoint certain cases to certain solutions in the end.

 

[Helen]

Well i can only judge by what i see, i have seen few proper logs having the full hairtest, program, diet and logged gains. So from my perspective its rather limited looking at the range of posts here.

Do you think he needs your support or standard ARL program is enough?
If he needs and gets support thats great, but how to replicate it? It would be awesome to pinpoint certain cases to certain solutions in the end.

He needs standard ARL recs. if those dont work . I posted my recs for fast and slow oxidizer many times.

The logs of these people that I mentioned are all there, with hairtests and what they are taking and how. See Raincoast log, Herrfish log. Scenes log. etc.

No one is making these people do logs. LOL I dont give a shit about some cure rates. If you want help you go and talk to them LOL

YOU for some reason are trying to organize this forum. I am not a forum organizer. all I can do is to steer you in a right direction. If you want to organize this forum , contact Tubzy and organize it all you want. I have 2 days in a month to even post here. ))

If Raincoast who took fin for 10 years is cured, which is posted in recovery thread and whatever, then you can go and see his log.

One more time for you , NO ONE took or taking or following this path expect these people that I mentioned. All other people just do other stuff, like RU, progesterone, R andro. etc. You can also look at those success stories and replicate those.

but from what I have seen, the best and fastest approach is to get tested and just get balanced fast. Based on your body chemistry

 

[Jaxx]

I am trying to organize some stuff so it helps people in the end, its not a matter of OCD.

And its nice that you have posted it many times, but you also said that PSSD is different. See what i am getting at, it is a continious search to see what applies and what not, what to test and what not. Thats why i am trying to help organize it a bit.

I could also ask you if swimming in the sea is healthy if you prefer those type of interactions.

 

[Helen]

I am trying to organize some stuff so it helps people in the end, its not a matter of OCD.

And its nice that you have posted it many times, but you also said that PSSD is different. See what i am getting at, it is a continious search to see what applies and what not, what to test and what not. Thats why i am trying to help organize it a bit.

I could also ask you if swimming in the sea is healthy if you prefer those type of interactions.

Swimming in the sea is awesome. YOu started to remind me a buddy of ours Snell. Please dont ask me about pine pollen))


Contact @TubZy and organize this stuff all you want. You guys can make your own posts and programs. Tubzy Herrfish, Mattyb Orion , Raincoast. M_arch, Goose12., Aztec, Nina , Scenes Ihatefin ( all these people are doing so much better) these are the original posters, You can share experiences, and help other people like Admiral, Sanka, Kiwwi. Yura ( these are new people) .

I cant be organizing this forum. Tubzy is on ARL program, he knows how to get it , how to take it, who to contact. etc.

I will try to fix barbar with PSSD, either myself or with ARL, and we will see if it would also work.

 

[Jaxx]

Contact Tubzy and organize this stuff all you want. You guys can make your own posts and programs. Tubzy Herrfish, Mattyb Orion , Raincoast. M_arch, Goose12., Aztec, Nina , Scenes ( all these people are doing so much better) these are the original posters, You can share experiences, and help other people like Admiral, Sanka, Kiwwi. Yura ( these are new people) .

I cant be organizing this forum. Tubzy is on ARL program, he know how to get it , how to take it, who to contact. etc.

I will try to fix barbar with PSSD, either myself or with ARL, and we will see if it would also work.

Fair enough, ill let you focus your energy on that. Ill be impressed if it works within a month, and surprised so lets see.

 

[Orion]

Raincoast - cured. He did the hairtest, took the program CURED he took finasteride for a long long time.
Herrfish doing much better
Scences cured I gave him exact ARL program for the fast oxidizer.
Tubzy is on ARL now.

LImited info, since no one really did it )) The ones I mentioned are the ones I gave recs to based on their hairtest.

PSSD no cases, Since I had no cases of PSSD. Barbar first

So far I would say it is 100% cure rate. limited success? how? people are taking stuff for their oxidation are cured.

None of these people took ARL supplements, but they took ARL recs and combines the supplements themselves with my recs

No other people are taking this protocol. NONE. Only March( he is doing it by himself by ARL chart) check his log. Orion( doing it by himself also from ARL mineral chart interaction) Herrfish, Raincoast , taking my recs based on their oxidation rate( matches ARL) Scenes ( took a program for a fast oxidizer from ARL) which did not work for you. Barbar is taking my recs now based on his oxidation rec.but probably will add ARL soon.

That is it . those are the only people who are doing this. And the success rate so far is very high. You can ask all these people how they are doing yourself

My input; recent hairtest was TE, came with diet/vitamin recommedations only, so I am using the ARL chart like @m_arch I am slow oxidizer, and trying to balance my low; Na, K, Mn, Mo, Bo and Li by using these minerals/interactions along with enzymes, electrolytes, HCl and gbolduev's diet recommendations(high protein, low simple sugar, some saturated fat).

Things are really progressing well now. I don't take minerals everyday and use chronometer to get RDA's.

Will continue this through April and planning May/June hair retest, but will try with Catherine and get ARL rec'd plan this time. Retesting is essential, taking minerals long term will just cause more imbalances.

 

[Helen]

@Jaxx

I created a thread HELP from old member to new members. New members could ask those older members for info and share this way , or read thru those people's logs.

 

[Aleksandr]

@Jaxx ive tried to compile lots of info on hair testing; check out my signature. Also my second hair test in 2018 i try to outline an approach to a protocol anyone can do using the arl mineral chart (also in my signature). If you post your hair test here ill take a look maybe i can help if its not too complex

 

[Jaxx]

Thanks, i appreciate the help

 

[sanka]

@gbolduev mu biggest trouble is the language, i can understand like basica things. Thats why im having trouble. Also in my country i dint have supplements, literally we dont have. I have been 3 months in the United states and i tried to buy everything. I have all the suplements, but my only question is if if changes something if instrqd of taking potassium that trace elements sent me( i dont understand nothing about chemistry but i think its not chloride) i take potassium chloride( i have both of them, the one that TE sent me and a chloride one) and in case that i should take the chloride, wich dose it should be. I just have that stupid questions. I also dont understand why my results shows that im low in soddium and manganese but they dont gave me any supplements for that. If you can just ask that i will be starting this like right now

 

[HerrFisch]

@sanka
If you use the Potassium chloride instead of Potassium from TE (Probably citrate), you will get another benefit . The chloride part

Whats your plan? What supplements are you using?

 

[raven]

@sanka

I'm pretty sure if worst comes to worst someone here could ship you the supplements you needed, which country are you from?

 

[sanka]

@HerrFisch well, right now im taking Hcl with pepsin, biodigestive enzymes, vitamin E, copper, adrenal complex, sym pack, min plex, potassium. I bought all this at the trace elements store. I also dont know to add the platinum essential aminoacids, sea salt and manganese

@raven hi raven, im from argentina. Its pretty imposible to buy it also because its hard that the police that is in the airport and between countries( i dont know the specific name in english) they take it away.