Expendable, Ella log

[Helen]

Ella lowers FSH. I think that is why watery semen

 

[wuf]

It's like, watery as you said. Just genuinely crappy looking. The only time this ever changed was when I tried licorice root and nofap a few weeks ago and it was basically back to normal for a day or two. @gbolduev can you shed any light on this and what I should do from here??

I see. Did the Ella cause the watery semen? How was your semen quality before starting Ella?

Yeah it was fine beforehand. "Normal." Now it's like this. It's almost like, and I'm theorizing here, but it's almost like my (previously) deregulated prog receptors got upregulated a decent amount but not all the way back to normal.

Boners 3/10 -> 9/10
Orgasm 8/10 -> 9/10
Morning wood 0/10 -> 9/10
Libido Good/10 -> Good/10
Morning fatigue Bad/10 -> Not tired/10

But

Semen quality 5/10 -> 5/10

And finally

Dick sensitivity 4/10 -> 7/10

I think I'm case two, since ella helped so much right away (lowered already high prog and upregulated receptors) and licorice root did as well. Maybe most pssd sufferers are. So maybe the key is more ella, or perhaps estradiol or some kind of estrogen together with it (I read that adding estrogen upregulates and so does removing prog). But obviously I'm going to wait a while and see what happens first, like I mentioned.

Some people that recovered from PSSD reported that it took them some time to reach 100%, just worth considering.
Taking any supplements at the moment? (like vitamins). Not saying you should, just wondering.

Fair enough. I can imagine it would take a while longer. For the time being I feel like the best course of action for me is like, a classic pfs-style super duper healthy excercise blah blah lifestyle, sleep well, the works. Not taking any supplements at all for the clean run, but I'm more than willing to take multivit and fish oil at least, and I have zinc, copper, various other stuff lying around, but I'm waiting for some direction from gbold or something here... don't wanna jump the gun!

Man, if you are having results, they will for sure improve over time, that's for sure. (I hope)
I seriously would not risk to jump on any supplements with the risk of ruine the incredible improvementes you had.
Think, you would jump on supplements risking to ruine the 90% of the gains you already got just to try to get the remaining 10%?
I would do it if I was at 10% and need to gain the remaining 90%, this has sense in my opinion.
I think time will give you the remained 10% or whatever you are missing... at least give time a try.
This is my 2 cents and my tip based on the the way I think, but you know yourself better than us.

 

[Ani]

@expendable: how about anhedonia/emotional blunting? Did you feel normal or like an emotional zombie before the Ella? Can you get aroused mentally again and do are you able to feel butterflies in stomach and the like? Thanks.

 

[theloneranger86]

Hey expendable waiting for your update

 

[IHateFin]

Dude this is stellar!!! That's remarkable for such a small dose!

Good to hear, bud!

 

[Dark0047]

Expendable is your genital anesthesia still 7/10? Or is it improving?

 

[theloneranger86]

the biggest thing is that his erections went from 3 to 9, thats substantial , given it sticks. We probably need to wait for a month before we can really say things have improved for the good

 

[expendable]

Hello, sorry I've been gone for a day peeps. Symptoms seem to be either steady or very slowly improving Not really getting worse... Which is a good thing. Most of the improvement happened just a few days after ella. Makes me wonder if ella should be cycled like the licorice root. Maybe 7.5mg on weekends only for a month. I'll put it on the "things to try" list.

expendable: how about anhedonia/emotional blunting? Did you feel normal or like an emotional zombie before the Ella? Can you get aroused mentally again and do are you able to feel butterflies in stomach and the like? Thanks

It's difficult to say... I think I mentioned this somewhere, but it's difficult not to feel like an emotionless zombie if you're afraid you wont have a cock ever again. But I definitely did at some points... still not to the extent that the PSSD people, in general, seem to have. I was able to laugh, to have fun, to play games, feel happy. I mean it sucked with the whole no dick thing, but other than that I seemed to be fine. I'm able to get aroused mentally now and feel things, but I could before as well. So unfortunately I'm not a great case study for this stuff :lol: It'd be great if a full-on anhedonia case of PSSD tried ella.

Expendable is your genital anesthesia still 7/10? Or is it improving?

Still 7/10. Maybe improving very slightly. If it is, it'll be measured in weeks instead of days.

Dude this is stellar!!! That's remarkable for such a small dose!

Good to hear, bud!

Yeah, this really makes me think. I'm not sure where the original guy who tried this got the dose of 5mg, but if it works... For a woman, 30mg is basically enough to induce a period, right? (Not really an expert on the topic :lol: ) I wish we had harder data on the effects of ella on men, but that's a long shot :lol: :lol: I've always wondered why the RU crew doesn't try slightly smaller doses. Couldn't possibly hurt. I see that they're going to try smaller doses, some of them, anyway. Maybe better than huge megadoses, too much effects on other hormones. Maybe avoidable by high doses of ella, but $$$...

expendable dang what a drastic difference and that is impressive my friend! Let your body heal up well. How long did it take you to improve semen quality once you quit paxil?

Not long, only a few days. The timeline of that was like, the same timeline for a normal recovery from paxil. That is, the semen (along with everything else) should have gone back to normal around the same time the semen quality improved. But it stopped for some reason. Now I'm here. Very annoying! Remember boys, only 25mg paxil caused this! That's a little over half a 40mg pill! (But I did take SSRI in the past, which can cause PSSD if you take SSRIs again, anecdotal evidence)

 

[IHateFin]

Hello, sorry I've been gone for a day peeps. Symptoms seem to be either steady or very slowly improving Not really getting worse... Which is a good thing. Most of the improvement happened just a few days after ella. Makes me wonder if ella should be cycled like the licorice root. Maybe 7.5mg on weekends only for a month. I'll put it on the "things to try" list.

expendable: how about anhedonia/emotional blunting? Did you feel normal or like an emotional zombie before the Ella? Can you get aroused mentally again and do are you able to feel butterflies in stomach and the like? Thanks

It's difficult to say... I think I mentioned this somewhere, but it's difficult not to feel like an emotionless zombie if you're afraid you wont have a cock ever again. But I definitely did at some points... still not to the extent that the PSSD people, in general, seem to have. I was able to laugh, to have fun, to play games, feel happy. I mean it sucked with the whole no dick thing, but other than that I seemed to be fine. I'm able to get aroused mentally now and feel things, but I could before as well. So unfortunately I'm not a great case study for this stuff :lol: It'd be great if a full-on anhedonia case of PSSD tried ella.

Expendable is your genital anesthesia still 7/10? Or is it improving?

Still 7/10. Maybe improving very slightly. If it is, it'll be measured in weeks instead of days.

Dude this is stellar!!! That's remarkable for such a small dose!

Good to hear, bud!

Yeah, this really makes me think. I'm not sure where the original guy who tried this got the dose of 5mg, but if it works... For a woman, 30mg is basically enough to induce a period, right? (Not really an expert on the topic :lol: ) I wish we had harder data on the effects of ella on men, but that's a long shot :lol: :lol: I've always wondered why the RU crew doesn't try slightly smaller doses. Couldn't possibly hurt. I see that they're going to try smaller doses, some of them, anyway. Maybe better than huge megadoses, too much effects on other hormones. Maybe avoidable by high doses of ella, but $$$...

expendable dang what a drastic difference and that is impressive my friend! Let your body heal up well. How long did it take you to improve semen quality once you quit paxil?

Not long, only a few days. The timeline of that was like, the same timeline for a normal recovery from paxil. That is, the semen (along with everything else) should have gone back to normal around the same time the semen quality improved. But it stopped for some reason. Now I'm here. Very annoying! Remember boys, only 25mg paxil caused this! That's a little over half a 40mg pill! (But I did take SSRI in the past, which can cause PSSD if you take SSRIs again, anecdotal evidence)

when i use ru again (which will be well into 2018) i will be using 10mg dose for 2 days maybe 3. we are looking to lower doses as we dont know exactly the best way to run it yet, but we do know that shorter is favorable. according to the literature doses as low as 10mg is more than enough to destroy progesterone; however, some of us have cortisol insensativities and only higher doses of ru can help with this as it wont hit much of the GR receptors at a dose like 10mg unless its taken for much longer periods.
i def am with you though that it seems less is much MUCH more man, and i think that even the small ella trials are giving us some insight on how to better run ru486 too.

 

[Shadow]

I wanted to know from [mention]gbolduev[/mention] how things differ for a female, there was a woman with pssd who tried Ella and felt nothing. Since we are talking about hormones, I could be entirely wrong, but maybe the dosage should be different.

 

[Helen]

I wanted to know from @gbolduev how things differ for a female, there was a woman with pssd who tried Ella and felt nothing. Since we are talking about hormones, I could be entirely wrong, but maybe the dosage should be different.

PSSD PFS could have 3 problems. progesterone cortisol, aldosterone.

May be that woman needed to address more of a aldosterone problem. with inositol or licorice , lets say .

Dont forget that guy who got totally cured from PSSD , also used inositol.

As I understand progestins effect progesterone cortisol AR and aldosterone. So basically

We need to make our aldosterone less sensitive to make estrogen and dht work. Copper and iron .

This can be done with licorice cylcing which acts as aldosterone. It can be done with inositol I guess, I just read some studies where they say aldosterone increases formation of inositol. So if you overload yourself with inositol, you can lower aldosterone sensitivity

 

[Shadow]

I wanted to know from @gbolduev how things differ for a female, there was a woman with pssd who tried Ella and felt nothing. Since we are talking about hormones, I could be entirely wrong, but maybe the dosage should be different.

PSSD PFS could have 3 problems. progesterone cortisol, aldosterone.

May be that woman needed to address more of a aldosterone problem. with inositol or licorice , lets say .

Thank you! I will suggest it to her

 

[barbaar]

[mention]gbolduev[/mention] what do you think about combining inositol with Ella for pssd? I tried high doses of inositol by itself before but it didn't do much besides make me extremely tired and make me run to the toilet an hour or so after taking it haha.

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev what do you think about combining inositol with Ella for pssd? I tried high doses of inositol by itself before but it didn't do much besides make me extremely tired and make me run to the toilet an hour or so after taking it haha.

Yes I just outlined this in a topic
http://www.hackstasis.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=148

 

[barbaar]

Awesome! If my clean Ella trial doesn't give me good results that's next on my list of things to try.

 

[Dark0047]

Expendable, do you think if taking Ella for the second time could be even more beneficial?

 

[expendable]

Expendable, do you think if taking Ella for the second time could be even more beneficial?

I actually do think so yes. This new stuff about combining it with cycled licorice root or high dose inositol is even more interesting.

 

[Jaxx]

Any change since sunday?

 

[expendable]

Any change since sunday?

Yeah I was thinking of posting something about now. No real changes. Will keep updated with what I do... planning on some stuff soon! (I'm like Fin, always restless. lol)

 

[Jaxx]

Do you have the feeling the progress sticked? (Even if you arent on 100%)