Fighting….

[Yura]

Interesting. But is it working for you? I mean looking back 7 years. It looks for outsider like me like you are chasing your tail? Maybe I am wrong and you are much better now. Don't know your full story to detail.. I believe that you have to keep it more simple. You can't control/manipulate 24/7 every pathway in your body. Which from your pots it looks exactly like that? For me I would go insane that's for sure. My goal personally now is to do HTMA until I am balanced and my blood work is not completely fucked up. I will achieve that or I will die trying and if I achieve that and I will still feel like shit lets say 3 years down the road when I will be in mid 40s. I am done with all of that for good. No more supplements, no more tests, no more thinking about anything. Maybe that will fix me at the end and if not. I will diet anyway. But at least I will die with my favorit food in my stomach and maybe smoking some drugs or whatever I will be into lol..

 

[bruschi11]

Interesting. But is it working for you? I mean looking back 7 years. It looks for outsider like me like you are chasing your tail? Maybe I am wrong and you are much better now. Don't know your full story to detail.. I believe that you have to keep it more simple. You can't control/manipulate 24/7 every pathway in your body. Which from your pots it looks exactly like that? For me I would go insane that's for sure. My goal personally now is to do HTMA until I am balanced and my blood work is not completely fucked up. I will achieve that or I will die trying and if I achieve that and I will still feel like shit lets say 3 years down the road when I will be in mid 40s. I am done with all of that for good. No more supplements, no more tests, no more thinking about anything. Maybe that will fix me at the end and if not. I will diet anyway. But at least I will die with my favorit food in my stomach and maybe smoking some drugs or whatever I will be into lol..

I started with it at home 6 months ago. I started using it in early 2024.

I started dying to really begin 2023 and then got way worse to begin 2024 before I started doing a monthly scan. I bought the device for weekly to twice weekly scans beginning in the new year 2025

 

[bruschi11]

Ultimately nobody knows how to interpret oligoscan. So it was up to me to figure it out.

I’m finding it’s really A metabolism and b6 activity that need to be working for me to be making progress. Seeing both reliant on D though. D reliant on chromium / hormones that help retain chromium.

I think we need body using its selenium and iodine. That’s how thyroid works. And that’s how we make pregnenolone. The tough piece is progesterone and I think it’s really reliant on zinc and b5. B5 goes down a lot in men with low androgens

 

[Yura]

I will be more interested in scan that can show all kinds of tissue elements not just hand. Like scan of the liver instead of biopsy that would be epic..

 

[bruschi11]

I think I’m dying and just getting addicted to hormones. Food with them. Like I have to eat lots of carbs to feel better at times.

I don’t know what else to say. I think it’s chromium deficiency that got me. And without chromium CoA/ fmn / fad all go down. And I went into potassium deficiency over and over againz until it got too late.

It’s too late. It really is.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Don't give up dude. I felt like shit waking up today too. It's just part of it. So when you dont take anything and just live normal you still feel like dogshit? Because when I just eat normal (every food) I feel pretty decent. Once I take supps consistently and chelate stuff I can feel really shitty

 

[Yura]

Bro I think that testing machine is a curse for you. Go on vacation and try to not think about your health situation. People underestimate the power of emotional stress and vise versa the power of deep calm and relaxed state. I see it all the time in myself. If I manage to not looking at my fucked up body and ideally if my mind is occupied with something else I would get better every time and vise versa if I am consumed each second by my current health situation I would get so much stress that I start to have real issues like crazy like mini heart attack feelings. Digestion, sleep is not happening etc..
You probably can't imagine how much energy it takes for your body to think 24/7 how you do.. That alone even without all that increasing stress is preventing you from giving your body break and a chance to make something happen..

 

[bruschi11]

im alright. i just typed out what I'm seeing and deleted it.

D receptor is working and its just too much on my system i think its really making me use b12 hard.

But not only is b12 being used hard. A C E are all being used really well. D is highest ive ever seen it.

Its 4 andro. Its extremely balancing. There is a reason why pfs guys recover with it.

But I have far more advanced severe issues beyond pfs. Like PTH issues and now that d receptor is on I hurt my calcium. And have to give bunch of calcium

 

[RebelWithACause]

This guy explains exactly what I felt in PFS for 3-4 years:

LazarusRy's final chapter

It’s been a while since I posted an update. I’ve continued to give everything I have to raise awareness, expose the truth, and push for accountability from Merck and the authorities. The injustice, the denial, my survival instinct—and my son—have kept me going far so long. Personally, my...

forum.propeciahelp.com

To the T. Incl. people making fun of you. Talking shit to you about all your problems like you need to just get over it lmao. Digesting nothing (I would shit out food the same way I ate it for months/years, no digestion, insane anxiety, depression, etc. Insane fatigue. Loss of muscle tissue in face, bone tissue, etc. A female coworker was shocked/scared of me when I walked in after I crashed from finasteride. She thought I had some insane disease and asked me wtf happened.

Except I was in my 20s. Probably what saved me. Plus doing TEI and just focussing on fixing deficiencies for months. And doing some of the experimental crap which probably helped. I feel bad for him. If I was his age my destiny would of been the same.

Same for guys like Paddy. The reason why I don't hate on him is I know he suffers just like I did back then. It's like you are imprisoned and weakened to such an extent and then the worse thing about it is that people expect you to act 100% normal eventhough you're FUCKED 24/7. Crazy shit.

I hope these guys can get some help. Maybe someone should invite LazarusRy on this forum. The problem that I see it is that he stuck in his bubble of disease unable to make right choices and see what needs to be done. Even if he does it will take him years but at least he will feel better slowly.

Then I also know a few people with PFS who had like 10% of these symptoms. I think the sicker you are the harder the crash is.

 

[Yura]

THat guy LazarusRY doesn't even know or nobody can tell him that he should drink whey protein for amino acids?
Basically electrolyte protocol that is what he needs to do.. Copy it to him if you are on that forum..

 

[Aleksandr]

This guy explains exactly what I felt in PFS for 3-4 years:

LazarusRy's final chapter

It’s been a while since I posted an update. I’ve continued to give everything I have to raise awareness, expose the truth, and push for accountability from Merck and the authorities. The injustice, the denial, my survival instinct—and my son—have kept me going far so long. Personally, my...

forum.propeciahelp.com

To the T. Incl. people making fun of you. Talking shit to you about all your problems like you need to just get over it lmao. Digesting nothing (I would shit out food the same way I ate it for months/years, no digestion, insane anxiety, depression, etc. Insane fatigue. Loss of muscle tissue in face, bone tissue, etc. A female coworker was shocked/scared of me when I walked in after I crashed from finasteride. She thought I had some insane disease and asked me wtf happened.

Except I was in my 20s. Probably what saved me. Plus doing TEI and just focussing on fixing deficiencies for months. And doing some of the experimental crap which probably helped. I feel bad for him. If I was his age my destiny would of been the same.

Same for guys like Paddy. The reason why I don't hate on him is I know he suffers just like I did back then. It's like you are imprisoned and weakened to such an extent and then the worse thing about it is that people expect you to act 100% normal eventhough you're FUCKED 24/7. Crazy shit.

I hope these guys can get some help. Maybe someone should invite LazarusRy on this forum. The problem that I see it is that he stuck in his bubble of disease unable to make right choices and see what needs to be done. Even if he does it will take him years but at least he will feel better slowly.

Then I also know a few people with PFS who had like 10% of these symptoms. I think the sicker you are the harder the crash is.

i don't think finasteride is the root cause of these issues... most people take it and are unaffected, perhaps they just have genetic balding and its fine and they would have otherwise had a healthy life (meaning those who are unaffected)

this dude had arthritis since when he was young, so he was already fucked. i think its likely we all had underlying health issues. me with the accutane too, i know lots of people who have taken it with seemingly no long term issues. i think its more that these drugs are just the straw that broke the camels back, compounding on pre-existing issues, and at some point the roof falls in and its difficult to climb out

just had that thought reading how this guy has been campaigning against the drug trying to raise awareness that it will destroy lives etc. i think its more likely that it will cause negative effects if you are unhealthy to begin with. a very basic / easily proven version of this is getting man-boobs on it: stopping dht means more testosterone and estrogen are created. whats the number one thing that promotes estrogen conversion? body fat. thus its much much more likely you'll get man-boobs taking DHT blockers if you're overweight right, almost impossible if you're shredded. however, your set point metabolism etc is likely to be not working well if you're over weight to begin with (pre-existing health issues)

theres also the possibility that in some body chemistries its possible finasteride will balance you. i've heard of people saying they're horny 24/7 and finasteride makes their libido more managable, for example

because theres a few pathways we can go down with this stuff:
1. these drugs are the devil
2. we're not (as the individual suffering from them) robust enough to the side effects of them
3. a combination of 1 and 2, i mean why take the drug to begin with? but this is usually a societal issue: clear skin or hair loss is a vanity thing

 

[RebelWithACause]

i don't think finasteride is the root cause of these issues... most people take it and are unaffected, perhaps they just have genetic balding and its fine and they would have otherwise had a healthy life (meaning those who are unaffected)

this dude had arthritis since when he was young, so he was already fucked. i think its likely we all had underlying health issues. me with the accutane too, i know lots of people who have taken it with seemingly no long term issues. i think its more that these drugs are just the straw that broke the camels back, compounding on pre-existing issues, and at some point the roof falls in and its difficult to climb out

just had that thought reading how this guy has been campaigning against the drug trying to raise awareness that it will destroy lives etc. i think its more likely that it will cause negative effects if you are unhealthy to begin with. a very basic / easily proven version of this is getting man-boobs on it: stopping dht means more testosterone and estrogen are created. whats the number one thing that promotes estrogen conversion? body fat. thus its much much more likely you'll get man-boobs taking DHT blockers if you're overweight right, almost impossible if you're shredded. however, your set point metabolism etc is likely to be not working well if you're over weight to begin with (pre-existing health issues)

theres also the possibility that in some body chemistries its possible finasteride will balance you. i've heard of people saying they're horny 24/7 and finasteride makes their libido more managable, for example

because theres a few pathways we can go down with this stuff:
1. these drugs are the devil
2. we're not (as the individual suffering from them) robust enough to the side effects of them
3. a combination of 1 and 2, i mean why take the drug to begin with? but this is usually a societal issue: clear skin or hair loss is a vanity thing

Of course but the drug put him in a position that is way worse than if he wouldn't use it (assumption - but when I look at his side effects he doesn't sound like an average unhealthy 50-60 year old, he sounds way worse side effects).

So the drug is not safe to be prescribing for people like it's a safe hairloss drug for everybody and I doubt he would be this bad if he never used it. I understand why people want to destroy the people who gave it to them. Especially with him he got it in the 90s or something when nobody talked about it.

I doubt finasteride balances you unless you have a disease that makes you not breakdown hormones or something. I think it's more like less androgens is a more stable body just like women don't lose hair and stuff even when they are sick with cancer and other diseases. Women live longer too I think androgens can imbalance the body quicker than when you have low androgens. So people take finasteride and it stops the whole male imbalances/diseases side of things. Like hairloss, prostate stuff, etc. But you also lose a lot of benefits from these androgens.

Just look at people with born low 5AR they have micro penises which looks like a vagina. Plus I remember finasteride has an effect on other hormones too which is similar to what homosexuals have. Not sure which hormone it was. It was a ratio between two hormones. And finasteride almost mimicked this ratio.

Like I said if you were like Helen who had lead toxicity which may made him very high in DHT (off the charts, not even normal high DHT) yea you'll feel better but it doesn't balance you. It just stops that side of the body so you feel better. You still lower other 5AR stuff. If lead doesnt raise the other 5AR stuff then you still get low on it with finasteride.

 

[Yura]

" Like hairloss, prostate stuff, etc."
You think prostate issues are from DHT? I think it is more from estrogen. Even in females estrogens cause the most aggressive cancers.. I had enlarged prostate from high estrogen when I was on steroids..
Btw I was thinking why people back in the day looked so old in young age. I mean they were looking 50 at 20yo. It seems that today a lot of people are estrogen dominant from copper and back in the day they were toxic maybe in that lead? So their DHT was very high.. It is interesting..

 

[bruschi11]

I think it’s all that we want d receptor system to start up bh4 cycle.

And so many of us shoot for bh4 first with androgens. While it’s the estrogen, estrone sulfate that retains chromium in the body allowing the d receptor system to start up and go.

Well what is the most immediate precursor not named e2 to get to estrone. It’s 4 andro.

Basically tyrosine hydroxylase keeps tyrosine alive for dopamine and that starts with D working.

Well 1a hydroxylase is a big piece in the final conversion. I'm starting to wonder if i have issue there.

 

[RebelWithACause]

" Like hairloss, prostate stuff, etc."
You think prostate issues are from DHT? I think it is more from estrogen. Even in females estrogens cause the most aggressive cancers.. I had enlarged prostate from high estrogen when I was on steroids..
Btw I was thinking why people back in the day looked so old in young age. I mean they were looking 50 at 20yo. It seems that today a lot of people are estrogen dominant from copper and back in the day they were toxic maybe in that lead? So their DHT was very high.. It is interesting..

Yea I think so too but I think they did research 5ar blockers for prostate and it lowers the growth pretty sure. I think it's probably the combination of DHT and estrogen causing growth just like muscles grow with estrogen more. I know some guys who are clearly estrogen dominant and have big muscles but their behaviour is feminine.

 

[RebelWithACause]

People had to grow up quicker in the past too promotes earlier puberty just like black people in the hood some of those guys look 30 at age 14-15.

 

[Yura]

Yea I think so too but I think they did research 5ar blockers for prostate and it lowers the growth pretty sure. I think it's probably the combination of DHT and estrogen causing growth just like muscles grow with estrogen more. I know some guys who are clearly estrogen dominant and have big muscles but their behaviour is feminine.

THat's why I had decent muscle gains even when I had barely any puberty 20-22yo and people were thinking I am on steroids. I was big 100kg, acne.. Before that liek when I was like 17yo before I started with bodybuiding I was masturbating a lot. Probably lost all my zinc and that was perfect for copper to rise even more. I was so estrogen/copper loaded.. I whish I could go back in time knowing all this and just take 100mg of zinc daily. I would probably fix 99% of my issues and I probably wouldn't even start with steroids.. But I did and from that point my estrogen even increased. had zero libido for like 5 years doing steroids. Was thinking it is normal I am just tired from training lol. Meanwhile my estrogen was sky high..

 

[bruschi11]

fadh2 body chemistry (high aluminum low lith) begins to occur after 4 days of 4 andro. i think its good to take breaks but only 1 or 2 days off now.

I think fadh2 taking down nad ends up hurting bh4 cycle and fad.

Everything kathleen stewart talked about was nad needs to control fadh2

 

[bruschi11]

I started up 4 andro again yesterday after 1 day off. Then added in 1 andro today. Very low dose 1 andro. Bad night I mean everything is bad.

I’ve been saying to myself “get mg and b12 down, body will run on b6 copper better”

But I have my doubts. I just feel I’m too late. My head is so shrunken. I hate this existence so much

 

[RebelWithACause]

Good luck dude, keep fighting. I hope you'll get a way out soon.