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[Yura]

@RebelWithACause what food sources are you eating. Do you eat everything like grains with gluten, legumes, dairy, nuts and seeds etc. without any digestive issues?

 

[RebelWithACause]

@RebelWithACause what food sources are you eating. Do you eat everything like grains with gluten, legumes, dairy, nuts and seeds etc. without any digestive issues?

I don't eat legumes, nuts, etc. Mostly rice, meats, vegetables, sometimes bread and for a few months ate a lot of dairy. But all of this goes in cycles for me sometimes eat low fat then high fat not sure why. I just switch every few months and then hit some type of problem with every diet. I don't get digestive issues with any food though but when I eat "wrong stuff" I do notice I feel worse.

 

[Yura]

Hm and how much of that rice and meat and veggies you eat per day? I don't feel satisfied on just white rice with lean meat like chicken breast and veggies. You don't feel hungry or that is something missing? No supplements? What meat and what veggies are you eating mostly? I also have hard time pooping if I eat just meat and white rice and some veggies.. What about soluble fiber for detox not needed you think? Or this is your default diet and when you crave something you eat it? I have it that way somewhat. The problem is I crave something all the time, but my gut can't handle it like dairy, more fat, nuts, seeds, legumes. Simply mostly foods that you eat and you feel full satisfied. With lean meat, rice and veggie meal you eat it and it is like you didn't ate anything hehe..

 

[RebelWithACause]

Hm and how much of that rice and meat and veggies you eat per day? I don't feel satisfied on just white rice with lean meat like chicken breast and veggies. You don't feel hungry or that is something missing? No supplements? What meat and what veggies are you eating mostly? I also have hard time pooping if I eat just meat and white rice and some veggies.. What about soluble fiber for detox not needed you think? Or this is your default diet and when you crave something you eat it? I have it that way somewhat. The problem is I crave something all the time, but my gut can't handle it like dairy, more fat, nuts, seeds, legumes. Simply mostly foods that you eat and you feel full satisfied. With lean meat, rice and veggie meal you eat it and it is like you didn't ate anything hehe..

I don't have that problem what you describe with not feeling full after eating a low fat meal as long as it is enough calories. But I do remember when I was in a worse state I also had intense craving for higher caloric foods incl. fat. If I would be very hungry I would eat ground beef (full fat) with rice. But you might not be able to handle this fat. I could though back then and this would stop cravings.

I get fiber from vegetables. I sometimes eat a whole cauliflower with the food for example.

But now yes I try to just eat lean meals. I also like fish but I feel sometimes not as good after maybe because I might have mercury problems. I also like sugary stuff but low fat. Like candy. But I don't do it. But I do feel good after this. Simple sugars with no fat. Once fat is introduced it makes things harder except with starch/rice which is easy to combine with fat. But also I gained a lot of weight when I was eating a lot of high fat food and def. slowed my metabolism.

I don't eat dairy anymore I think it's a specific food. For some people it's very good others very bad. Most people probably bad because a lot of people are slow oxidizers. Not saying it's unhealthy I ate it for months but eventually did notice problems like I slowed myself down way too much.

 

[Yura]

I can handle ground beef 15% fat no problem. I just avoid red meat due to iron. But I don't feel that good after pumped out some blood and stopped eating red meats. It was probably bad idea anyways to lose blood while hypothyroid hehe.. I think I should stop all those legumes, buckwheat etc. high in copper and stuff. . I think that soluble fiber is actually problematic for people like me with low thyroid as well. Because that lowers bile even more.. I need to keep it clean like you. So how much and what meat are you eating daily also you eat all veggies even nightshades? Also stuff like onions, garlic etc.? No fruits at all and no added fats even tbsp of olive oil into a meal? Rice only white? I like parboiled brown rice, but it is high in arsenic and phytic acid. SO when you eat meat with it you block zinc absorption right..

 

[RebelWithACause]

I can handle ground beef 15% fat no problem. I just avoid red meat due to iron. But I don't feel that good after pumped out some blood and stopped eating red meats. It was probably bad idea anyways to lose blood while hypothyroid hehe.. I think I should stop all those legumes, buckwheat etc. high in copper and stuff. . I think that soluble fiber is actually problematic for people like me with low thyroid as well. Because that lowers bile even more.. I need to keep it clean like you. So how much and what meat are you eating daily also you eat all veggies even nightshades? Also stuff like onions, garlic etc.? No fruits at all and no added fats even tbsp of olive oil into a meal? Rice only white? I like parboiled brown rice, but it is high in arsenic and phytic acid. SO when you eat meat with it you block zinc absorption right..

These are foods I eat the most as a staple:

- Chicken (lean, thighs)
- Beef (Ground beef, steak sometimes) - ground beef works best for me eventhough it ironically used to be a "poor man's meat" lol
- Cod (not too much)
- White rice
- White bread (not much but sometimes - I have no problems with it once in a while just not daily)
- Brocolli
- Cauliflower
- Onion
- Carrot
- Mustard (sauce)
- Peas (not everyday)
- Olive oil when needed to bake something
- Sea salt
- Sometimes: Dairy, Apples, Pears, Berries, Garlic, Butter, Eggs

Not perfect but these foods barely any problems with. If I have to choose the worse one for me in this is still white bread and eggs. Rest feels like nothing changes to me. Even white bread barely but I do notice it if I eat it a lot. Eggs probably the worst not sure why. Maybe vitamin A but I don't think so because I can deal with dairy fine. There's something in eggs that I don't feel good on. Makes me sometimes feel confused. Eventhough I know it is healthy.

 

[Yura]

@RebelWithACause I eat a lot of green beans and green peas because it's cheap. Was eating a lot of garlic last couple months as some kind of anti pathogen detox. Not sure if it was more beneficial or irritating to my gut.. So you don't eat huge variety of veggies. You don't get bored of them? hehe. Carrot I am not touching that's for sure. That is beta carotene bomb hehe..
Btw ground beef is superior to lean muscle meat like steaks for sure. You get more mix of muscle meat and collagen tissues so better amino acid profile + you it is easier to digest since like nobody is chewing enough.. I do frozen sardines like once a week. They are so much better than canned. You just cut out the organs and cook on a pan with little water couple of minutes. The only - is that you can't eat the bones. They are not soft like in canned sardines..
So how many times per day you eat and how big are those meals. Like how much meat and rice you eat daily.
last question no supplements?

@bruschi11 sorry it is your log. You can move this diet conversation into my log if you can..

 

[Yura]

Dairy(except whey protein) is crazy problematic due to hormone content. Full fat milk and even butter has a lot of hormones especially estrogen. So it is not just calcium/fat content that is the problem. All those extra hormones are crazy burden on the liver...

I asked chatgpt how much hormones is in 20g of protein in foods like dairy, eggs, meat. Keep in mind that male make like 1000-3000ng of estrogen per day. Maybe less maybe more.
So as you can see if you eat decent amount of full fat dairy/butter and eggs on top of that you are taxing your body with shit loads of extra hormones. I am not touching full fat milk, butter or yolks that's for sure. Whey protein is ok. Meat as well..

https://imgur.com/a/SYvXZLX

 

[bruschi11]

lol it’s all good guys yea just move the diet stuff.

I’m so different from you guys. You both are in slow oxidation. I can eat anything and everything except a lot of sugar.

But I don’t eat much. Im not hungry often. I force food down. Which is why I’m so angry when people are blaming me for being fat.

It’s a chromium issue. And testosterone + keto raises copper too hard killling cr. So when I keto or fast I gotta give 4 andro.

Chromium needs chromodulin I guess which needs glutamate aspartate glycine cysteine. Pretty basic stuff.

Histidine is so big here as it converts to glutamate and aspartate. While we know the importance of glycine and cysteine.

I’m just so angry it took me all these years to understand what the illness is.

 

[Yura]

@bruschi11 do you think whey protein and hydrolyzed collagen are good for amino acids? Whey is high in lysine and low in arginine. Collagen is low in lysine high in arginine. SO both together have like all amino acids basically..

 

[bruschi11]

@bruschi11 do you think whey protein and hydrolyzed collagen are good for amino acids? Whey is high in lysine and low in arginine. Collagen is low in lysine high in arginine. SO both together have like all amino acids basically..

Sounds like a good mix.

I like whey it’s always felt more filling to me.

 

[bruschi11]

Copper just keeps coming up as I cycle keto while on TRT. Copper is killling bh4 pathway as iodine goes up as iodine isn’t being used.

Reality is…. We want to fix copper. With the bh4 pathwy for A metabolism.. Not with estrogen. And I believe I’m mainly dumping copper with estrogen.

Where when A is metabolized, b12 works. And b12 uses copper essentially. Methylation.

The copper dump today is insane . Beyond crazy. That bad at all costs.

And it just keeps happening. Horrid horrid coppper dumps as I cycle carbs. Like beyond crazy how strong it is.

I have to wonder if stopping test is the right thing to do here. Is it. Is it. I just don’t know.

I could move my dose back to 12mg daily. I’ve been using 16mg . That may be too high

But it’s shutting down everything. The test raising e2 is just shutting down fucking EVERYTHiNG .

Do I need to get k2 measured again? Is e2 not moving to estrone? I’m taking k2 daily.

Furthermore. I raised my test in fall 2024 without any TRT. I used dhea and 11 keto dht.
But by the end of that fall… glutamate fucking soared.

I’m getting better and better at reading oligoscan and seeing what my intentions are here.

Cobalt chromium go together. They lead to succinate/ fad/fumarate / fat metabolism. Iron availability. Vit A E C metabolism. It’s clear to me hg7 protocol kind of gets all that working.

It’s possible nothing matters. I got the neurodegenerative disease . And there’s not reversing it. I haven’t had 1 moment since maybe a year ago or Xmas where I felt I was getting well.

With the thought of stopping Hormoens. All I can do is think about the end of summer August just how bad I was before I went on TRT.

I stopped working for 3 weeks until I injected test.

Again—- estrone sulfate retains chromium in the body. Should we just feed 4 andro but lower dose this time. Cycle it. I was taking it daily all summer. And killing my copper with that approach.

My take is I wanna run Vit A metabolism through succinate—->fumarate. But we need akg which really seems to need copper. We also need malate which runs on coppper as well.

I would like to stop everything and just see how bad my baseline truly is . The way I’m seeing things is I’d like to run similar to hg7 approach but with 4 andro instead of egcg. Cycled 4 andro. Not pushing anything for tyrosine / bh4. Try to make bh4 through gtp and b5 / biotin/ b12 .

I mean I went on test to make bh4. It’s not happening .

 

[bruschi11]

That post above looks like it’s written by a guy having copper issues ^^^^ smh

 

[Yura]

What symptoms you have from "copper dumps"? In my experience high blood pressure, high heart rate, estrogenic symtpoms like water retention, crazy racing mind, fearful and basically all those dark and negative emotions, thoughts.. Now we know best thing to lower free copper is molybdenum and L histidine..

 

[RebelWithACause]

What symptoms you have from "copper dumps"? In my experience high blood pressure, high heart rate, estrogenic symtpoms like water retention, crazy racing mind, fearful and basically all those dark and negative emotions, thoughts.. Now we know best thing to lower free copper is molybdenum and L histidine..

Pretty much yea but mercury does the same. I saw bruschi's old tests I think he had high mercury already then. Mercury is maybe even crazier symptoms lol.

 

[RebelWithACause]

@RebelWithACause I eat a lot of green beans and green peas because it's cheap. Was eating a lot of garlic last couple months as some kind of anti pathogen detox. Not sure if it was more beneficial or irritating to my gut.. So you don't eat huge variety of veggies. You don't get bored of them? hehe. Carrot I am not touching that's for sure. That is beta carotene bomb hehe..
Btw ground beef is superior to lean muscle meat like steaks for sure. You get more mix of muscle meat and collagen tissues so better amino acid profile + you it is easier to digest since like nobody is chewing enough.. I do frozen sardines like once a week. They are so much better than canned. You just cut out the organs and cook on a pan with little water couple of minutes. The only - is that you can't eat the bones. They are not soft like in canned sardines..
So how many times per day you eat and how big are those meals. Like how much meat and rice you eat daily.
last question no supplements?

@bruschi11 sorry it is your log. You can move this diet conversation into my log if you can..

Sardines are nice I also eat them sometimes but on bread. I now eat 2 meals a day. I skip breakfast then eat at lunch and diner. Lunch depends. Sometimes bread with meat. Sometimes bodybuilder type meal rice, veggies, meat.

I don't react bad to most foods so for me carrot is fine. Same for other vegetables. I don't get bored. As long as I don't over eat I stay hungry-ish and can easily eat simple meals. Once I start to eat too much I need more variety and stuff.

Right now no supps.

 

[Yura]

@RebelWithACause interesting it seems that you eat so little. I would start to lose muscles that I have left on two meals like that and I would be walking zombie.. Maybe you are very little active? Like I don't work right now, but I still try to at least do some body weight exercises, stand more even home not just sit all the time and ride bike to the shop or outside of the city where I would walk. Simply always trying to keep the body somewhat functional. Once I stop moving and I am not hungry anymore and I would eat less like I would be fucked. Btw I can eat carrots no problem as well. but jsut the idea that I am poisoning myself with all that beta carotene.. You see those orange hands and faces of people if they eat a lot of carrots, mangos, pumpkin, sweet potatoes and stuff like that. It can't be healthy..

 

[RebelWithACause]

@RebelWithACause interesting it seems that you eat so little. I would start to lose muscles that I have left on two meals like that and I would be walking zombie.. Maybe you are very little active? Like I don't work right now, but I still try to at least do some body weight exercises, stand more even home not just sit all the time and ride bike to the shop or outside of the city where I would walk. Simply always trying to keep the body somewhat functional. Once I stop moving and I am not hungry anymore and I would eat less like I would be fucked. Btw I can eat carrots no problem as well. but jsut the idea that I am poisoning myself with all that beta carotene.. You see those orange hands and faces of people if they eat a lot of carrots, mangos, pumpkin, sweet potatoes and stuff like that. It can't be healthy..

Yea if you're hypothyroid then body stores it everywhere... same with other crap when you eat a lot of it. Except in this case it has a color. But yea I don't overdo the carrots lol. Just once in a while a cooked carrot with the vegetables. Point being is that if you are hypothyroid almost all foods are bad unless you know what nutrients you are lacking to raise your metabolism to also use up all the stored stuff in the body.

 

[zancek0]

Not with estrogen.

I know supplementing with estrogen is usually a bad idea but have you seen this? Markedly elevated levels of estrone sulfate after long-term oral, but not transdermal, administration of estradiol in postmenopausal women - PubMed

This trans-care doctor says he noticed the same thing in his own clinic (higher E1:E2 ratio on oral E2).

https://www.reddit.com/r/DrWillPowers/comments/1o0n7vw

But ofc, it would suppress you so would have to add something androgenic to it...

 

[bruschi11]

I know supplementing with estrogen is usually a bad idea but have you seen this? Markedly elevated levels of estrone sulfate after long-term oral, but not transdermal, administration of estradiol in postmenopausal women - PubMed

This trans-care doctor says he noticed the same thing in his own clinic (higher E1:E2 ratio on oral E2).

https://www.reddit.com/r/DrWillPowers/comments/1o0n7vw

But ofc, it would suppress you so would have to add something androgenic to it...

This is why testo is so big. Like T converting to E2 is such an avenue for getting to E1 .

And I’ve been saying e1 is what I really need for methylation to start up.

sadly. I’m noticing whenever I take test, chromium drops. Vitamin D drops. And I just keep getting worse.

Copper is just killing me .

Edit:::

It’s not really just e1 we want. It’s e1 sulfate. It needs to be sulfated.

And that’s probably why women taking estrogen have high e1. The e1 goes nowhere cuz it isn’t being sulfated due to the high copper taking out sulfur .

I really am now back to thinking about ray peat and e2. But if we can make sulfur, we can tolerate e2 .

Have to realize. E1 sulfate is the they to b2 in men. Chromium literally is the key to making b2 .