gbold and mattyb disagree about things?

[Helen]

Matty.

I am saying that CO2 is not from any oxidation of sugars which cant happen in low metabolism. but from CA inability to work properly.

This causes high CO2 in the cell since CO2 goes back into the cell. and also causes the person to start hyperventilating
and this forces the body to go into met alkalosis.

So you see met alkalosis, resp alkalosis. And if that person tried to raise met rate with anything. Iodine, thyroid. magnesium potassium, will be met with HAIRLOSS

Those people have too much free copper usually but not not always, could be anything. that kills MT

IN very many cases lead toxicity will causes this. Lead causes free iron and free copper accumulate in the brain.

I dont know where you got me talking about resp acidosis at all.

 

[Helen]

mattyb wrote-What are you talking about? "This is my case"? I don't have a case, I am healthy - no issues.
but you are bald? Of course I know healthy people can be bald, but it is systemic, and I think in the right chemistry, we wouldn't have hair loss.

Cysteine histidine copper zinc, selenium and his hairs will grow back.

 

[mattyb]

Matty.

I am saying that CO2 is not from any oxidation of sugars which cant happen in low metabolism. but from CA inability to work properly.

This causes high CO2 in the cell since CO2 goes back into the cell. and also causes the person to start hyperventilating
and this forces the body to go into met alkalosis.

And I am saying that I disagree because people with MS who are in a flare are not in low metabolism. I literally linked to a study earlier that showed that they have excessive postprandial carbohydrate metabolism despite normal energy expenditure.

They will be in low metabolism after a flare though, because mitochondria will be severely fragmented and damaged at that point. So they can't produce ATP. But metabolism is accelerated during first stage of a flare. This is why people with MS can't get flare-ups when they are fasting. They can only get flare-ups once they resume eating. I am sure you see it differently, you probably see it as a result of histidine being released which allows them to chelate minerals or something along those lines. I don't though. That's where we disagree.

 

[Helen]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25857175


Most people are hypothyroid in MS. and taking thyroid.

Fasting lowers CO2 production to zero. thus raises their metabolism. and lowers need for histidine and zinc. Same as with respiratory acidosis, where fasting actually raises metabolism.

https://healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...eded-please-or-ms-connecting-to-fm-cfs-and-me.

Most people that I look at have low thyroid and not working metabolism.

 

[Helen]

http://americannutritionassociation.org/newsletter/biochemical-treatment-improved-mental-functioning

People in the know already doing it.

This is exactly what I am talking about.

 

[Helen]

http://herbdiscovery.com/category/chemistry/proteins/metallothionein.htm

 

[Helen]

If you think this therapy will not work for UC and MS I think you are wrong, it will work for UC, MS, CFS, Diabetes, Etc/ since it makes sense.

MT promotion is the zinc finger theory that I outlined. It is funny that other people already doing it. Good for them.

 

[Helen]

any chelation therapy that you will go with, including fasting will lower your MT levels after the fast I would assume. Promoting zinc finger will chelate your toxic metals out with keeping your metabolism HIGH. big difference.

 

[HerrFisch]

Without histidine your ferritin will be up, since ferritin substitutes for MT in the cell in this case and iron is raised in the cell to promote cortisol conversions and also transferrin which carries iron out of the cell needs histidine.

People with UC mostly have low iron levels. Blood and Hair. (Look at Wuf or my Hair test). And in UC you can lose a lot of iron through blood too.
And MT is overexpressed in UC. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11475329

From my perspective iron is low. Am I missing something?

 

[Helen]

Yes, Iron can be low if you have low stomach acid.

 

[Helen]

Yes, you are right in UC you are bleeding so low iron most likely.

 

[Helen]

Wuf has UC? And he took copper? Shoot.

 

[Helen]

@HerrFisch

https://www.google.com/patents/US5238931

 

[Helen]

@HerrFisch

https://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v12/i45/7355.htm

 

[talkingant]

Disagreement is what moves science forwards- thanks @gbolduev and @mattyb for the stimulating discussion

 

[Helen]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01536026?no-access=true

 

[Raincoast]

While this topic is being discussed, In regards to high copper.
Can I safely use Resveratrol and carnosine (with taurine) to chelate copper?
Will I end up with too much free copper?
Am I better off just with increasing MT cofactors?
I am in 4 lows, high copper, no hair loss, UC&Arthritis symptoms preceded by a life of bad allergies.
Digestion is good at the moment.
Feeling fine with zinc/mang for the last few months.

 

[Helen]

http://forums.prohealth.com/forums/index.php?threads/l-histidine-for-allegies.140581/

I was really scared to try histidine years ago because my histamine levels were so high I would get internal hives from most foods and I had many of the symptoms of histidelia that you shared. If I was even in the same room with a strawberry I could get hives and my hay fever was so bad I couldn't drive because I would sneeze so many times in a row!

I had severe IBS and had to carry a change of clothes with me in case of an accident. Those with IBS know what I mean - it's a horrible way to live.

But probably the worst of all was the chemical sensitivities. I seldom left my home, my children couldn't even invite friends over because I'd react to the fragrances on their clothes, and I had what back then was referred to as environmental illness.

I first read about histidine being used to treat allergies in a book on amino acids written by a British doctor. He described the paradoxical reaction and I decided to give it a try.

 

[Helen]

This woman does not have free zinc in her system. this woman has mercury in her teeth , that is why her allergies are coming back.. You see the example where IBS can be caused by mercury.

 

[Helen]

Problem that I found when resveratrol is that it chelates bioavailable copper.