gbold and mattyb disagree about things?

[opiath]

@gbolduev
When you say "zinc carnosine" do you mean the Zinc-L-Carnosine-Complex or zinc and carnosine taken separately?

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev my ferritin is at the limit, how can I lower it?

You are PSSD right? usually ferritin rises when there is extra need for cortisol , and progesterone to cortisol conversion. This happens when you speed up your metabolism , this is why ferritin rises with taking t3 hormone.

But in conditions like PFS and PSSD, sometimes it can rise just because cortisol is not sensitive and body needs more of it, the same can happen in inflammatory conditions.

So in higher metabolism I would say , copper magnesium potassum with methionine should lower it. But in your condition I dont know if that would be that easy. You can try.

or just up the protein with hcl . or zinc finger protocol. The goal is to raises the cortisol sensitivity so the body can take iron out of the cell

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev
When you say "zinc carnosine" do you mean the Zinc-L-Carnosine-Complex or zinc and carnosine taken separately?

it is all the same.

 

[Aleksandr]

@mattyb

I dont think you can resolve the underlining issue. that is the thing. it is a circle once CRH got activated that is it. that is why all those people chasing imaginary bugs, killing candida, viruses etc doing probiotics just fail. It never works for them.

Candida overgrowth goes to zero on histidine zinc, once copper is under control. I tried it many times with zinc carnosine. kills candida to zero.

Free copper feeds those bugs. . Copper wont be made bioavailable if potassium is not in the cell. You can put potassium in the cell only in 2 cases- sensitive cortisol. And ability to utilize CO2. Otherwise You will fail every single time. If you force it there with hyperventilation , your candida levels will grow. same if you force potassium in the cell with alklaline water, which was used by so many. This is why candida grows when people not in the know are trying to force potassium in the cell with the magnesium. Magnesium grows candida like you read about.



once CRH is activated you cant not lower cortisol and increase potassium and digestion. It is simply impossible. You can do whatever , but unless you feed what is needed to stop CRH which is zinc finger, it wont stop. and all PH balancing will be worthless. And the prolonged irritant that existed in the body cant be suppressed by anything but stopping not needed inflammation .

It is like cancer. There is an irritant. body inflames it , if this irritant stays there long enough, histidine is depleted , digestion is zero, histidine cant be repleted. CRH is up all the time. and may be the irritant is already dead 5 times, but it does not stop. This is cancer mechanism.

I posted a study with active allergies, they came up with the same conclusion that it is a dead end. Slowly and slowly body loses more and more protein.
This suppressed the immune system more and more.

This is why Kelly was so succesful at curing cancer. He was giving protein in the form of catalatic triad , trypsins etc
This and IDO inhibition stopped my cancers. And I had serious cancers.



That is why I think the most important thing is to stop CRH first. then refeed and your immune system will overcome all of those. Once copper is in the cell, those things bugs etc will cry uncle.

Man this is a really big post for me. I think I have candida (i have a white tongue coating), but i have been supplementing zinc and magnesium.

Is this still just a discussion or should I actually do this protocol?
Should I ditch the magnesium and get some carnosine? I have pure encapsulations 30mg zinc. should i get this too and have 1 capsule of each a day? https://au.iherb.com/pr/Paradise-Herbs-L-Carnosine-60-Veggie-Caps/4241

 

[mattyb]

Man this is a really big post for me. I think I have candida (i have a white tongue coating), but i have been supplementing zinc and magnesium.

Is this still just a discussion or should I actually do this protocol?
Should I ditch the magnesium and get some carnosine? I have pure encapsulations 30mg zinc. should i get this too and have 1 capsule of each a day? https://au.iherb.com/pr/Paradise-Herbs-L-Carnosine-60-Veggie-Caps/4241

It's just a discussion right now.

If you are having success with your current strategy don't mix things up. Hold off for a while and see what happens with the current plan. When you've given it a month or two and feel that you've plateaued then switch it up. Don't hop around really quickly though, that's how people screw themselves up.

And if you think you have candida, go get tested. White tongue doesn't mean anything by itself.

 

[Canari]

And if you think you have candida, go get tested. White tongue doesn't mean anything by itself.

I agree, as my organic acid test gave a "no candida" result... I think this test is a good one, it gives a lot of informations.

 

[Aleksandr]

For fast oxidizer= https://www.wellnessshoppingonline.com/endo-met-supplements/endo-met-sbf-formula-90-tablets/

for slow oxidizer= https://www.wellnessshoppingonline.com/endo-met-supplements/endo-met-megapan-90-tablets/

fast = potassium copper magnesium cysteine
slow = zinc manganese histidine

Red denotes this nutrient is in both products

Looks like they both have magnesium/copper/vit D for fasts.
Looks like they both have vit A, B's 1,2,3,9, potassium, zinc, manganese, iodine, selenium, inositol for slows.

Although how much is important. See the note under the ARL slows breakdown.

TRACE ELEMENTS SUPPLEMENTS:
for fast: http://www.interclinical.com.au/detail.php?i=10

B's [2, 5, 6, 12], vit d, biotin, calcium, magnesium, copper, choline

herbs: winter cherry, green tea, slippery elm, poke root

for slow: http://www.interclinical.com.au/detail.php?i=9

vit A, B's [1,2,3,5,6,9], vit C, vit E, biotin, potassium, zinc, iron, manganese, iodine, selenium, citrus bioflavonoid extract?, inositol, lecithin

herbs: ginger, garlic, poke root

ARL SUPPLEMENTS (the ones gbolduv linked above):

For fast:

B1, magnesium, copper, potassium , d3, selenum, bovine parathyroid, bovine thymus, choline, methionine, glutathione

For Slow:


One Tablet of Megapan Contains:

Vit A, vit c, d3, vit E, Bs [1, 2, 3, b6, b9, b12, b7], Iodine, magnesium, zinc, selenium, manganese, chromium, potassium, PABA, inositol, citrus fruit peel


The website says "These nutrients include the B-complex, particularly B1, B3, B5 and B6. Other important nutrients in Mega-Pan are vitamin C, vitamin E, manganese, zinc and chromium. Other nutrients are present in trace quantities."
nesium hydrolyzed rice protein chelate)

 

[Canari]

Again copper for fasts and zinc for slows.... WHY? What have they to do with the oxidation level?

 

[opiath]

Again copper for fasts and zinc for slows.... WHY? What have they to do with the oxidation level?

Copper increases CO2 production which lowers oxidation rate by feedback.
Zinc gets rid of CO2 faster which increases oxidation rate by feedback.

 

[Canari]

Copper increases CO2 production which lowers oxidation rate by feedback.
Zinc gets rid of CO2 faster which increases oxidation rate by feedback.

I am a slow and I am supposed to have to take copper and avoid zinc and B3....
That is why I do not understand what those 2 minerals have to do with the metabolic type!

Then, copper and zinc WHERE, do what you say, as i do have higher copper than zinc in blood test.... And I am a superficial breather if I do not exercise.

Last, if I take copper for example, I do not even understand what means "increases CO2 production" -> in the cell? how? and do not understand "which lowers oxidation rate" as I would think that more co2 production comes from more "burning" thus higher oxidation rate... As I tend to have a low oxidation rate (I produce lactic acid, so I guess I do not produce a lot of co2...), it does not fit with telling me to take more copper!

 

[highserotonin90]

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I am a slow and I am supposed to have to take copper and avoid zinc and B3....
That is why I do not understand what those 2 minerals have to do with the metabolic type!

Then, copper and zinc WHERE, do what you say, as i do have higher copper than zinc in blood test.... And I am a superficial breather if I do not exercise.

Last, if I take copper for example, I do not even understand what means "increases CO2 production" -> in the cell? how? and do not understand "which lowers oxidation rate" as I would think that more co2 production comes from more "burning" thus higher oxidation rate... As I tend to have a low oxidation rate (I produce lactic acid, so I guess I do not produce a lot of co2...), it does not fit with telling me to take more copper!

Interesting

 

[Yura]

@highserotonin90 thx you opened this thread. So interesting read. I wish I had Helen in my corner and plenty of money for him so he can work on me full time to fix me, I think that would be my only chance...

 

[highserotonin90]

@highserotonin90 thx you opened this thread. So interesting read. I wish I had Helen in my corner and plenty of money for him so he can work on me full time to fix me, I think that would be my only chance...

I agree, it would also be great if mattyb could be found again.

 

[Yura]

Helen and matty are talking about "CRH" all the time what it is? Never head about it..

 

[highserotonin90]

Helen and matty are talking about "CRH" all the time what it is? Never head about it..

Yes, but the search doesn't work well and you might not find it...if I'm not mistaken, Mattyb used cyproheptadine to block it and then make cortisol more sensitive.

 

[Yura]

@highserotonin90 what you talking about read my question again pls..

 

[highserotonin90]

@highserotonin90 what you talking about read my question again pls..

I don't understand.

 

[Yura]

@highserotonin90 hehe what you don't understand. I was simply asking what "CRH" means.