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[Yura]

What you think about it guys. I liked to listen Richard Dawkins, but I wouldn't expect to watch him how his ego is preventing him from searching fore the truth..
Like one of the first things he said "if what you are saying is true that means I and many others were 50 years wrong." this right there tells you a lot..

 

[RebelWithACause]

Never listened to him bro lol

 

[Fazed22]

What you think about it guys. I liked to listen Richard Dawkins, but I wouldn't expect to watch him how his ego is preventing him from searching fore the truth..
Like one of the first things he said "if what you are saying is true that means I and many others were 50 years wrong." this right there tells you a lot..

He's arrogant and prideful those two characteristics will not bring you to god, get your zinc and copper working properly then you'll be able to feel a connection to god, without those being bioavailable enough it's hard to feel any connection to god and if you feel no connection to god then its hard to believe god exists.

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22 LOL I would assume that once you balance your chemistry you don't need copes like religion anymore.. But I really don't want to start debate about religion. It is always pointless..

 

[Fazed22]

@Fazed22 LOL I would assume that once you balance your chemistry you don't need copes like religion anymore.. But I really don't want to start debate about religion. It is always pointless..

It's sad that you're calling it cope because you really don't have a clue. I used to be the same as you actually, I was atheist and always watching these people like Richard Dawkins, Hitchens and trying to find the flaws in god and religion, but that's because I felt zero connection to god and was very toxic in metals and metabolically impaired.

One thing you should notice is that these atheist guys you look up to like Richard dawkins and Alex O'Connor is they both have this souless/dead inside persona and thats because they live without god in their lives. Where as if you compare them with Christian youtubers you see the light in their eyes and they are high spirited people with healed souls because thats what having a relationship with god can do to people.

Anyway I agree I don't want to start a religious debate with you its pointless, the bible speaks about those with harderned hearts (refusal to accept god) that it leads to spirutal blindness.

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22 Sure I don't have a clue. All I do is watching some atheists how they are talking against religion.. I actually don't care about if someone is atheist or labels like this. I love to watch stuff about universe and our planet and what is going on. What makes sense to me is evolution. What doesn't make sense to me that all kinds of people from all kinds of parts of the world are telling me how I have no clue because I don't believe in their god or spirits or whatever they believe..
What gives you the right to tell other people in what they should believe? Do you realize that if you were born somewhere in rain forest to hunter gatherers you would believe in completely different stuff that you believe now? YOu would speak with water because you know it is alive and it has spirit. You would speak with rain, storms, rocks etc. because they are all alive and have spirit.
So I can't pretend that I believe that rock has spirit. I can't pretend that we are not animals who came from other animals.
I am seeking truth no matter what. Religion is nothing but dogma that can't be questioned.
You are saying what is in the bible. I am sure that you wouldn't want to live in world based 100% on what bible says.
You just pick what you like and leave what you don't like, find too much over the top etc.. Like most people.
That alone tells me a lot..

I would end this with
“When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called religion.”

 

[Fazed22]

@Fazed22 Sure I don't have a clue. All I do is watching some atheists how they are talking against religion.. I actually don't care about if someone is atheist or labels like this. I love to watch stuff about universe and our planet and what is going on. What makes sense to me is evolution. What doesn't make sense to me that all kinds of people from all kinds of parts of the world are telling me how I have no clue because I don't believe in their god or spirits or whatever they believe..
What gives you the right to tell other people in what they should believe? Do you realize that if you were born somewhere in rain forest to hunter gatherers you would believe in completely different stuff that you believe now? YOu would speak with water because you know it is alive and it has spirit. You would speak with rain, storms, rocks etc. because they are all alive and have spirit.
So I can't pretend that I believe that rock has spirit. I can't pretend that we are not animals who came from other animals.
I am seeking truth no matter what. Religion is nothing but dogma that can't be questioned.
You are saying what is in the bible. I am sure that you wouldn't want to live in world based 100% on what bible says.
You just pick what you like and leave what you don't like, find too much over the top etc.. Like most people.
That alone tells me a lot..

I would end this with
“When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called religion.”

You know many christians actually believe in evolution and it doesn't conflict with their faith, its not like you have to believe in one or the other.

You don't seek the truth, you have this close minded prideful atheistic view that cuts you off from experiencing god in your life. And without god you and your soul suffer greatly....


"I would end this with
“When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called religion.”

- Just looked at the person who made this quote and he seems empty and soulless as expected...

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22 Everyone should believe what they want as long as it doesn't effect others in negative way.
We know that religion people have issues with that. That is why I have issue with religion. I have zero issues with someone telling I believe in god.
I would leave it there..

 

[RebelWithACause]

My gut instinct says religion not true and based on fear and most of all it's based on books from the middle east. Nothing European about it. It's also where Judaism is from and Islam. All from the same area. Also known as "desert religions". It's not from here at all. I can understand if you are in the heat and desert you will think of these things. No offense.

I also see a lot of bad people preaching religion and I just feel dumb when I watch a video on it because to me my brain says: delusion. Jesus was pretty cool I'd say but even his mindset of "love everyone" is flawed - at least this is how I see it. E.g. the Christian mindset is a causal effect of mass immigration and open borders. Self sacrifice. You could even call it a "death cult" in that sense.

But I have definitely had moments where I believed in God and during times of a lot of fear it can help you stay strong. I was also in a religious household from a young age. So I understand why people believe and the dynamic of religion. I also have definitely had interesting experiences which were hard to describe purely from a rational point of view.

I can however say that it's useless to talk about it because most people from both sides will not change their mind. Until maybe one converts - or deconverts. I did the same here made me realize religion is always a never ending discussion.

Gut instinct to me says it's all nonsense and people use it to cope with reality from things they cannot describe rationally - but even behind those things those things could be explained by a system. But maybe I am wrong lol. I will see hopefully if this is not true.

I will read the Bible again one day just to see. It's at least better than watching or reading about it online.

 

[Yura]

@RebelWithACause If you grew up in crazy religious family I don't see that as cope. You are simply born into it you do't have a choice and it is simply what you and your people do. But when someone is not religious. Is struggling in life and then "finds god" you really can't convince me that that's not cope.. Now I don't see this as a bad thing. It is great actually. Great cope for most people. For sure much better than starting with drugs or whatever.. It really is ultimate cope. I mean look at Extreme Islam people. They believe that they will go into paradise. They don't fear literally anything. They are happy to kill themselves so they can go into paradise. I mean what kind of cope can does that to you. Not even hardcore drugs. So I completely see why people chose that path.
But I couldn't do it. I don't want to live in lie made up by other people. I would rather suffer every second of my life and face reality as it is. That dark, cold, meaningless reality that doesn't give a fuck about your feeling at all and If that means "without god you and your soul suffer greatly...." as @Fazed22 said then that is exactly what I strive for..

This is my religion

 

[Fazed22]

@RebelWithACause
But I couldn't do it. I don't want to live in lie made up by other people. I would rather suffer every second of my life and face reality as it is. That dark, cold, meaningless reality that doesn't give a fuck about your feeling at all. If that means "without god you and your soul suffer greatly...." as @Fazed22 said then that is exactly what I strive for and I would rather kill myself than go crazy and believe in some made up stuff.

It's really sad you think this tbh, so there's a much better life for you and you would rather suffer and live a meaningless life. Your ego has convinced yourself its a lie to keep you stuck in a state of suffering.

Also pretty offensive to people you calling it cope because you really do not understand it att all. I developed a connection to god through mineral balancing and before that I felt 0 connection to god so I thought it was all made up, I did not cry out to god for help or anything like that.

@Yura you like posting these guys a lot, they speak about people feeling a connection to god through mineral balancing here and its not something any of these people were seeking it just happened organically

Also not just the mineral balancing guys saying this, the Celestial Being Veronica Peat girl on X says strong metabolism/thyroid= God, Shawn bean the TRT functional practioner always saying how when we heal properly we can start to feel a connection to God

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22 I think we shouldn't mix some felling of "higher power" and to believing in specific religion. I Could understand and agree with the idea that when you are 100% healthy and you have plenty of energy to give you feel completely different and that you can connect with people, nature on different level than average Joe who is constantly running around living in survival mode. If you call that god ok. I just call it to be healthy person with everything firing on 100%. But that is completely different from believing in some specific religion made up for controlling people..

 

[RebelWithACause]

I also had episodes where I believed in God and I do believe there is a biochemistry thing going on which causes this belief. I think they saw in one study that "believing in self-transcendence" was correlated with a 5-1HTA receptor. Just as an example.

For me it often was together with high fear/anxiety where I started to believe in God. But also Yura makes a good point when you are healthy you become more sensitive to things around you incl. nature and your natural instincts. These can sometimes feel foreign or otherworldly if you were sick.

When I was very sick, calcified etc. yea I was not in tune with the world at all just roaming around often acting out of aggression or fear. Some people would call me demonic probably in that state. But what it really, was a mis calibrated body just not able to handle conflict, stress, the world, etc.

Don't want to offend, if you believe in God and it helps you that's fine. Maybe I shouldn't say cope. Maybe I should say "explain" things that people cannot explain. And like I said I am open to read the Bible and actually read what is in it. Maybe that will change it all. But most religious people I don't connect with them at all.

 

[Yura]

@RebelWithACause I don't think saying it's cope is some crazy insult when you consider what religious people say about people who don't believe in god..
Someone can have amazing life and some religious dude has no problems saying to him that he lives meaningless life where his soul is suffering and shit like that just because he doesn't believe what the religious guy believes. Ridiculous..
and as you said I do believe that everything what you feel or think can be explained by non magical stuff like biochemistry and simply how the brain and human body works.
It is only when you don't know the explanation you start to create your own explanation. Like we know you can become murder because you have some brain chemistry unbalance, some tumor or some heavy metal toxicity, some trauma from the past on top of that etc.. But many people who have no idea tell you that it is because they are possessed by demons or whatever crazy BS that fits their agendas..
Btw those two practitioners Luke and that other guy seem far from balanced we talked about that before. No matter what they say. Of course they will not say that they are fucked up. It would be really bad PR for them. You can just look and see. I can imagine that their blood work would look pretty fucked up.. Bad thyroid, out test, prolactin, estrogen and stuff out of balance etc..
So when he says you start to believe in god when you are balanced. I think it is actually the opposite. You start to believe in all kinds of crazy stuff as you go more and more out of balance.
It's like vegans who tell you vegan diet will make you more spiritual whatever when in fact you just go crazy from zinc/copper unbalance.
It is great to know this and to manipulate it to your advantage. For sure I don't want to be crazy spiritual, emotional wreckage..
If anything I want to be more on the less emotional side. It saves your ass from all kinds of issues I believe.. So basically zinc dominant as fuck.

 

[Fazed22]

@Fazed22 I Could understand and agree with the idea that when you are 100% healthy and you have plenty of energy to give you feel completely different and that you can connect with people, nature on different level than average Joe who is constantly running around living in survival mode. If you call that god ok. I just call it to be healthy person with everything firing on 100%. But that is completely different from believing in some specific religion made up for controlling people..

You really don't get it tbh if you're saying this, so it's pretty pointless in having this conversation with someone who's never felt this connection to god or felt gods presence in their life.

 

[Fazed22]

I also had episodes where I believed in God and I do believe there is a biochemistry thing going on which causes this belief. I think they saw in one study that "believing in self-transcendence" was correlated with a 5-1HTA receptor. Just as an example.

For me it often was together with high fear/anxiety where I started to believe in God. But also Yura makes a good point when you are healthy you become more sensitive to things around you incl. nature and your natural instincts. These can sometimes feel foreign or otherworldly if you were sick.

When I was very sick, calcified etc. yea I was not in tune with the world at all just roaming around often acting out of aggression or fear. Some people would call me demonic probably in that state. But what it really, was a mis calibrated body just not able to handle conflict, stress, the world, etc.

Don't want to offend, if you believe in God and it helps you that's fine. Maybe I shouldn't say cope. Maybe I should say "explain" things that people cannot explain. And like I said I am open to read the Bible and actually read what is in it. Maybe that will change it all. But most religious people I don't connect with them at all.

With a lack of bioavailable copper and zinc you won't feel any connection to god. I was gonna say in the past to you but you always sound super negative, hyper critical, depressed on here the whole time and not having bioavailable copper/good ATP production does this, that will make you into a miserable person.

Zinc (when its working) also gives you such a pure, clean hearted energy which is like christ consciousness, the trouble is most adults have too many metals / or too much iron and copper that blocking their zinc from working properly.

And yeah if you're still living dead in sin then you are not going to feel gods presence.. Only when one lives a life of repentance and accepts Jesus as their lord and saviour can they then enter the kingdom of god.

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22 I am out of this debate for sure. I am trying to avoid stuff like that and here I am again heh.. Doesn't help anybody with anything...

 

[RebelWithACause]

@RebelWithACause I don't think saying it's cope is some crazy insult when you consider what religious people say about people who don't believe in god..
Someone can have amazing life and some religious dude has no problems saying to him that he lives meaningless life where his soul is suffering and shit like that just because he doesn't believe what the religious guy believes. Ridiculous..
and as you said I do believe that everything what you feel or think can be explained by non magical stuff like biochemistry and simply how the brain and human body works.
It is only when you don't know the explanation you start to create your own explanation. Like we know you can become murder because you have some brain chemistry unbalance, some tumor or some heavy metal toxicity, some trauma from the past on top of that etc.. But many people who have no idea tell you that it is because they are possessed by demons or whatever crazy BS that fits their agendas..
Btw those two practitioners Luke and that other guy seem far from balanced we talked about that before. No matter what they say. Of course they will not say that they are fucked up. It would be really bad PR for them. You can just look and see. I can imagine that their blood work would look pretty fucked up.. Bad thyroid, out test, prolactin, estrogen and stuff out of balance etc..
So when he says you start to believe in god when you are balanced. I think it is actually the opposite. You start to believe in all kinds of crazy stuff as you go more and more out of balance.
It's like vegans who tell you vegan diet will make you more spiritual whatever when in fact you just go crazy from zinc/copper unbalance.
It is great to know this and to manipulate it to your advantage. For sure I don't want to be crazy spiritual, emotional wreckage..
If anything I want to be more on the less emotional side. It saves your ass from all kinds of issues I believe.. So basically zinc dominant as fuck.

I think guys like Lewis Rowlands, Dr. Wilson, Luke, they all overload on zinc and keep their progesterone and cortisol way too high. That's why they all have these insane ideas.

This ironically makes you also lose more zinc (and calcium, magnesium, etc) from high cortisol. High cortisol will suppress emotions and immune system. So lowers negative traits but you also will be like a robot in long term if you go over threshold. Helen also talked excessively about it he was one of the only guys I see online who had a clear picture about all these metals.

He was right you don't need insane dosages you need body to be able to utilize it properly. But also I understand why he was into fasting more later on vs. loading up on everything in high dosages. But some might need the high dosages of course. Doesn't mean it's without risk or problems and I think long term it is high probability it will cause issues.

@Fazed22 It's ok dude you don't understand me either clearly.

 

[Yura]

@RebelWithACause yeah obviously balance is what is ideal. But I was talking if I had to choose between more copper dominant or more zinc dominant I would pick zinc any day of the week.
But I am not so sure if Lewis or Luke are overdosed on zinc? Why their faces are so bloated? TO me they look estrogen dominant to be honest. I had face like that all the time when I was estrogen dominant especially on steroids that convert to estrogen. Now when my estradil was low I was looking crazy dehydrated like bodybuilder before the show.
Btw still have no idea why was my estradiol low if I am copper toxic.. Maybe I am more iron toxic. Will see what low heme iron diet and green tea extract can do with that..

 

[RebelWithACause]

@RebelWithACause yeah obviously balance is what is ideal. But I was talking if I had to choose between more copper dominant or more zinc dominant I would pick zinc any day of the week.
But I am not so sure if Lewis or Luke are overdosed on zinc? Why their faces are so bloated? TO me they look estrogen dominant to be honest. I had face like that all the time when I was estrogen dominant especially on steroids that convert to estrogen. Now when my estradil was low I was looking crazy dehydrated like bodybuilder before the show.
Btw still have no idea why was my estradiol low if I am copper toxic.. Maybe I am more iron toxic. Will see what low heme iron diet and green tea extract can do with that..

Not sure but they started getting bloated after loosening up on that crazy Dr. Wilson low calorie diet. High cortisol can also bloat you up when it's been high and then it drops. I was very lean when I had a very slow metabolism.

You're probably iron/copper toxic bro. And mercury like you said. Mercury is what got you fucked in the first place then steroids retain iron and copper. Could be your body is so slow it can't lift itself up. But yea if you are slow you are toxic in all stuff most of the time. I'd just try that HG7 protocol and see what happens. For me EGCG is not that good when I tried it. Definitely lowered histamine though which was beneficial sometimes for me.

Didn't Helen recommended you stuff back in the day?