HIGH and LOW DHT and PFS cases ( protocols , explanations, theories)

[Trump_1776]

Yet you came out better, right? As by your vote in the R-Andro poll..

Well, 4 andro and R andro are different, right?
R andro does not help me anymore, but yes it did bring me to a better baseline no doubt about it.
4 andro is great, but suppressive. I am doing nothing now and am gonna let my hormones take a break, but if I don't improve I will be looking at possibilities of supplementing with pure test.

I also got my hands on pure DHT, but it does nothing for me unfortunately.

 

[Trump_1776]

I only drink vodka.
And SNRI/effexor /PSSD turned me into a raving alcoholic (dumbass friends too, also I guess I liked to drink initially).

Hated it. Grew up.

With fin really kind of hated it but can take or leave it. It works. A lot of substances make sexual functioning, mood (for a time), better. But they do not make life better.

You never saw Jesus getting drunk all the time to fix E.D. ...nor other problems.


Both were different. @Trump_1776 raw strength maybe Randro helped more but 4andro mood and also volume, in muscles. Maybe both strength yeah I guess so because Randro alone I couldn't use. Was stiffer than the tin man. Less cowardly, like the Lion with 4andro. Combining all I was finally able to come home, just like Dorothy.

They are different ones 3-Epi or 5-Epi androsterone the others 3alpha beta something 5 hydroxy something

Nigga are you retarded

 

[TubZy]

Yes low estrogen will make you look old. Part of it is psychological though. In low E you notice imperfections in everybody. Even girls who are hot. With high estrogen it can be the opposite. You can be highly attracted to an average girl. You do not see imperfections like that (wrinkles, fat, etc.)

So when you have low E and you look in the mirror sometimes you can think you are ugly or looking like shit. Meanwhile other people do not see it.

On last TEI cycle I still got good pump and actually gained muscle where people commented on it in a 8 week period. Now on this cycle I have almost no pump and no strength. Gonna be a good ride HAHA.

On low estrogen your creativity is also not there.

I like copper way much more than zinc lol. Copper - muscles are more full and libido is better, way more alert, NO, hair pigmentation seems much darker etc. only downside with copper I don't like is the insomnia and restlessness. When TEI/ARl gave me zinc I slept like a baby but I had much more fatigue and sluggish. however, I think my sack was hanging much lower on zinc than copper, maybe since zinc increase LH

 

[brix]

@RebelWithACause Alcohol is your cure for gaba issues lol.

@Admiral you need a gaba antagonist, ghb and alcohol will make you worse. But it could depend on what you drink. If you are drinking beer with hops it would increase estrogen also. That would explain why @brix feels better during and after getting drunk.

Vodka would be the best way to test gaba

I don’t drink beer with hops. Been drinking vodka and tequila lately and feel good

 

[MNK99]

--Copper alone made me sick. Now, not so much but didn't try as per TEI (not supposed to take them randomly). However, I "like" Cu way way way more than Zn.
--Way before PFS, Zn made me sick too. --Better sexual health sure. However, organization, thinking, MOOD, sleep, etc way higher. TEI slept like a baby as well.
--Possibly either Cu or Zn alone would do nothing to change my sleep. Though since quitting TEI, sleeping 8-9hrs a day if I can. More like 6-8 but I feel that's too much.
--Good thing is though, it is not forced. Usually relatively easy to sleep still. And feel more rested than TEI, or at least "less time to feel alert" in the morning.
--More creative again definitely. But TEI reeled it in...

-vodka only. no hangovers till well into mid 20s, for most part (outside of extreme alcohol). huge tolerance on effexor and after. then less as I quit it.
--back again, but barely partake because its not good for other issues.
--Not a real hangover either, but limited any consumption (7 days or so last year) to less than 16 shots.
--only some scotches and many vodkas do not really irritate stomach. I think beer was bad for digestion, leanness since I first had one (like 10+ yrs ago). never liked it... need like 10 to replace 5 doubles (highballs)... waste of time.

 

[Ocguy]

do u know a good source? hard as shit to get for me. and I heard some of the stuff is made dangerously. I use phenibut twice a week and I love it but GHB is next level. I wouldn't use it more then twice a week either for a show or major sex session lollll are u on cdnuts protocol though? I dont want to compromise my last bits of recovery if it's not good for it but I love GHB lol I admit I used it once while recovering and it actually might've helped a bit. It definitely didn't hurt.

This place carried it.. I think they shut down.. shame

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[logicalscout]

@Helen
I took 2 injections of HCG and made my symptoms permanently worse (lack of libido, depression, cognition; it was so bad I was in hospital) would this mean I'm a part of case 1?

What blood tests would you recommend? The last progesterone and DHT results I had (3 months post the 2 HCG injections were):
- progesterone - 0.5nmol/L (<3)
- dht - 1.2nmol/L (0.4-2.5)

My progesterone results before HCG were 0.3nmol/L. One other thing I have my in my results is a persistently high DHEA-S (18 to 20 umol/L) I know DHEA-S acts as a negative allosteric modulator of the gaba receptors, could this be a clue to see what case I'm a part of?

 

[bruschi11]

This place carried it.. I think they shut down.. shame

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Wow looks legit to me. Would love to grab some. I do so bad with alcohol. Been looking for an alternative. And possibly helping pfs incredible bonus.

Edit: website above is an archive and can’t be accessed. Must be a way back whatever. Man weed is legal and everywhere in that states. Ecstasy, Molly too. We gotta find a way to get some GHB over here .

 

[Ocguy]

Wow looks legit to me. Would love to grab some. I do so bad with alcohol. Been looking for an alternative. And possibly helping pfs incredible bonus.

Edit: website above is an archive and can’t be accessed. Must be a way back whatever. Man weed is legal and everywhere in that states. Ecstasy, Molly too. We gotta find a way to get some GHB over here .

I'll look around.. it's everywhere, but hard to find if u know what I mean

 

[RebelWithACause]

I like copper way much more than zinc lol. Copper - muscles are more full and libido is better, way more alert, NO, hair pigmentation seems much darker etc. only downside with copper I don't like is the insomnia and restlessness. When TEI/ARl gave me zinc I slept like a baby but I had much more fatigue and sluggish. however, I think my sack was hanging much lower on zinc than copper, maybe since zinc increase LH

Yes while on zinc you feel worse but after you should feel better. I did after the first TEI cycle but it took 2-3 weeks before I noticed this.

I think it depends on your body chemistry.

For me when I supplemented copper I felt better on the day itself. But after a while I got worse brainfog, high anxiety, insomnia, etc. Eventually just became a crazy person. I would get emotional with girls - getting into fights, etc. Stupid stuff.

I think I was already high copper. Even before finasteride.

With zinc you just have to bite the bullet and keep taking it. Then afterwards you feel better. I think while you are taking zinc and b6, etc. copper is also released in the bloodstream which might make you feel even worse.

While on higher amount zinc your 5AR is lower I think, plus estrogen is low, plus copper is in bloodstream, etc. This can cause fatigue.

There is a study: Impact of oral zinc therapy on the level of sex hormones in male patients on hemodialysis. - PubMed - NCBI

Shows that zinc supplementation increases LH.

Anyways on TEI you also get manganese which supposedly "caps" so that your progesterone will not get too high. Still I notice certain effects from zinc that I always get when I take it. It is probably the lower estrogen while taking it.

In the end it is all about the balance. I think that is why you cannot judge these programs or a particular mineral too quick for exmaple.. Need to give it time. You go in one body chemistry to another. Maybe in the first body chemistry you had higher libido but you had other issues. Then you go in another body chemistry maybe your libido is a bit lower but it fixed other issues. ETC.

This is what I think. I don't know yet, we will see in a while.

 

[wuf]

Yes while on zinc you feel worse but after you should feel better. I did after the first TEI cycle but it took 2-3 weeks before I noticed this.

I think it depends on your body chemistry.

For me when I supplemented copper I felt better on the day itself. But after a while I got worse brainfog, high anxiety, insomnia, etc. Eventually just became a crazy person. I would get emotional with girls - getting into fights, etc. Stupid stuff.

I think I was already high copper. Even before finasteride.

With zinc you just have to bite the bullet and keep taking it. Then afterwards you feel better. I think while you are taking zinc and b6, etc. copper is also released in the bloodstream which might make you feel even worse.

While on higher amount zinc your 5AR is lower I think, plus estrogen is low, plus copper is in bloodstream, etc. This can cause fatigue.

There is a study: Impact of oral zinc therapy on the level of sex hormones in male patients on hemodialysis. - PubMed - NCBI

Shows that zinc supplementation increases LH.

Anyways on TEI you also get manganese which supposedly "caps" so that your progesterone will not get too high. Still I notice certain effects from zinc that I always get when I take it. It is probably the lower estrogen while taking it.

In the end it is all about the balance. I think that is why you cannot judge these programs or a particular mineral too quick for exmaple.. Need to give it time. You go in one body chemistry to another. Maybe in the first body chemistry you had higher libido but you had other issues. Then you go in another body chemistry maybe your libido is a bit lower but it fixed other issues. ETC.

This is what I think. I don't know yet, we will see in a while.

Still a mistery how Scenes and Others got fixed by minerals in just few weeks and people on TEI should stay on the program for 1 year. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Still a mistery how Scenes and Others got fixed by minerals in just few weeks and people on TEI should stay on the program for 1 year. It doesn't make sense to me.

I think it took Scenes a few months too with minerals. Did several things. I have only been on TEI for 2 months + 2 weeks and already seen improvements after the first cycle. Same goes for the other people on TEI.

Staying on it for a year means you do not jump from protocol to protocol.

 

[wuf]

I think it took Scenes a few months too with minerals. Did several things. I have only been on TEI for 2 months + 2 weeks and already seen improvements after the first cycle. Same goes for the other people on TEI.

Staying on it for a year means you do not jump from protocol to protocol.

Oh ok, so maybe my mistake to talk. Sorry.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Oh ok, so maybe my mistake to talk. Sorry.

No problem lol. Being skeptical is not bad.

You should try it for a few months. Then decide to see if it helps. It at the very least seem to improve a lot of issues. It did for me. Not cured by any means but better than before TEI. I am hoping to see more improvement after this cycle. Only time will tell.

 

[hairsuit]

The scary thing is how much it looks like I have aged this year. Since I crashed, my face has gotten sunken in everywhere. Hard to tell if it is this damn PFS sickness or just age. But damn I shouldn’t look like this already.

 

[Admiral]

Just imagine how I look after having PFS for 15 years now haha.

 

[D4n]

Alcohol is a positive modulator of gaba, same as Allopregnanolone. The people who feel better after drinking has low 5ar in the brain imo, which means low Allo. My strongest libido by far after drinking is when I drink vodka with red bull. Caffeine increases 5ar I read somewhere so maybe this is why libido is even stronger when mixed with red bull. @Helen

 

[tonysoprano]

If I feel fine while drinking, but completely depressed for two days after - does that mean I have high 5ar?

 

[Helen]

Alcohol is a positive modulator of gaba, same as Allopregnanolone. The people who feel better after drinking has low 5ar in the brain imo, which means low Allo. My strongest libido by far after drinking is when I drink vodka with red bull. Caffeine increases 5ar I read somewhere so maybe this is why libido is even stronger when mixed with red bull. @Helen

this is exactly what I wrote. people with an overexpressed AR in the brain, will have low 5 AR in the brain.

and thus gaba wont work.


Usually people have libido on withdrawal from alcohol not on alcohol in PFS/

 

[D4n]

Yeah this makes sense to me, considering I used minoxidil which was shown to downregulate 5ar. I also have libido on withdrawal not on alcohol