MOLECULAR HYDROGEN

[Helen]

I hoped that more would give even greater benefits, I must say I feel more stress resistant on hydrogen water and more calm. I have been a fast talker all my life and with hydrogen on some days I speak more slowly. @Helen any idea why I get cold hands but also more calm and stress resistant with hydrogen? Aren't those opposite effects?

because you run on fats. running on fats is constant energy , and it is a lot more stress resistant. but you run only on fats, that is why you feel cold.

This is why you need to run on sugar, and then creates tons of Co2, this Co2 wil donate the H and you will run on fats in case of emergency.

Hydrogen water makes you run on emergency unless you buffer it, But if you buffer it , it just becomes worthless.

this is why I think inhalations are the only thing that really works. I doubt hydrogen water can get all over the body , inhalation also will not get all over your body, but I think it has a chance to go to your brain which is important.

 

[Helen]

so what would you suggest here, stop all Hydro water? and gas?

No I like the gas inhalation.. but you need to buffer it. Also if you like to be in keto state, Hydrogen water would be fine for you. It will keep you there alright. Some people fast and stuff and eat low carbs to stay in keto on purpose, hydrogen water will make it much easier LOL

Also hydrogen water will be good if you your oxidation rate is good. then it would be perfect for you.

 

[heygate]

No I like the gas. but you need to buffer it. Also if you like to be in keto state, Hydrogen water would be fine for you. It will keep you there alright.

sorry for my ignorace but what is a keto state and is it a good place to be?

 

[Ingeno]

Also, first week on low dose hydrogen seems to reduce my scalp itch and hair loss, now on higher dose I get more scalp itch and hair loss. @Helen would a low dose of, lets say 500ml of 0.5ppm be beneficial if I feel good on it?

 

[heygate]

because you run on fats. running on fats is constant energy , and it is a lot more stress resistant. but you run only on fats, that is why you feel cold.

This is why you need to run on sugar, and then creates tons of Co2, this Co2 wil donate the H and you will run on fats in case of emergency.

Hydrogen water makes you run on emergency unless you buffer it, But if you buffer it , it just becomes worthless.

this is why I think inhalations are the only thing that really works. I doubt hydrogen water can get all over the body , inhalation also will not get all over your body, but I think it has a change to go to your brain which is important.

so this is good if the gas reaches your brain? and what does it do then? does it still act as an antioxidant?

 

[Helen]

sorry for my ignorace but what is a keto state and is it a good place to be?

and when you say you need to buffer the gas, what does this involve?

some people claim that on keto state you can live very long life. And stay young.

 

[Helen]

Also, first week on low dose hydrogen seems to reduce my scalp itch and hair loss, now on higher dose I get more scalp itch and hair loss. @Helen would a low dose of, lets say 500ml of 0.5ppm be beneficial if I feel good on it?

yeah, you need to try the dosage out. I played with the dosages for a while.

 

[heygate]

@Helen i think it might be worth laying out these revelations in a simple manner in another post, so anyone who has invested time and/or money in hydrogen can understand exactly what it still can and cant do. would that be alright?

 

[Helen]

so this is good if the gas reaches your brain? and what does it do then? does it still act as an antioxidant?

it is very good for the gas to go your brain

 

[Ingeno]

@Helen what dose of Malic Acid would be good to consume daily? Since using Malic Acid my stools have been awesome. First I thought my joint pain was due to Malic Acid because of decalcification.

 

[Helen]

@Helen i think it might be worth laying out these revelations in a simple manner in another post, so anyone who has invested time and/or money in hydrogen can understand exactly what it still can and cant do. would that be alright?

This is a discussion thread, we are still discussing it, no one knows how to use hydrogen. and what it does exactly 100%. I shared what I found for myself.

I might be wrong. So this is a discussion and everyone needs to try and see how they do on hydrogen, This is why i said since we have very little population and very little time that people tested it , we dont know how it works. We can tell from people posting that many have the same kind of problems with it. and some do good on it.

I am still experimenting with the all of this myself.

I will discuss more with Jay about this hydrogen since he took it for a much longer time, if he wished to engage in honest unbiased discussion. And then we will decide what is the best way to use hydrogen.

So far I am leaning toward inhalations

 

[Yura]

Hm so my hair test was messed up by hydrogen.. Like low potassium etc..

 

[Helen]

@Helen what dose of Malic Acid would be good to consume daily? Since using Malic Acid my stools have been awesome. First I thought my joint pain was due to Malic Acid because of decalcification.

Joint pains could be from malic acid also. It could be from any acids

 

[Hydro]

Good stuff @Helen . H2 is a significant chelator for me and I’m the classic slow oxidizer by both experience (slow metabolism, runs best on carbs) and hair test (elevated mag/cal, lowered potass/sodium.) So you are correct about that and we both know I need the chelation with the toxicities and ammonia I have.

Lowering hydrogen this past week to about .75L daily then increasing it back up to 1.5L daily left me chelating all weekend. Body handled it pretty well except for constipation and fatigue after physical exertions.

This makes sense and makes me more comfortable about fasting on it. Maybe during that fast go to .75L daily on hydrogen rather than the 1.5 L I’m using now.

The challenge will be stopping the stuff eventually. And if we can find a method that makes this process go more smoothly than what I’ve tried in the past thus far.

@Hydro have you heard of anybody having to stop the stuff and experiencing withdrawals? My withdrawals get pretty bad and I think there has to be a way to stop it.

@bruschi11: I have known many people who have stopped hydrogen water, maybe they go on vacation etc. I have gone on long trip for over 3 months and have stopped hydrogen water and there has been no problems with withdrawals.

 

[Helen]

Guys we just need more time on hydrogen to make the verdict. All I am saying you can play around with it, but dont spend tons of money. It makes no sense.

If the water also enters mito , then it is good. but needs to be buffered. I think it does not , but who knows.

 

[Admiral]

Might hydrogen water interfer with an ARL program more than we think?

 

[Helen]

@bruschi11: I have known many people who have stopped hydrogen water, maybe they go on vacation etc. I have gone on long trip for over 3 months and have stopped hydrogen water and there has been no problems with withdrawals.

Jay , you also did not have any side effects from drinking it in the beginning. I had side effects and upon stopping I had withdrawals for at least a week. then I just balanced my self out.

 

[Ingeno]

Joint pains could be from malic acid also. It could be from any acids

And what is the exact theory behind this? Going to lower my hydrogen intake but will keep my malic acid intake at 1-3 grams daily. Will see how the joint paint goes.

 

[Hydro]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't think Helen is right. It would be hard to believe that the top Japanese scientists/Universities and all the research is wrong. There are many cases of long term usage and the results seem remarkable. Breathing hydrogen from the little bottle she has with ionized water, is also not a safe thing to do and she also mentioned that she breathed hydrogen from the old lourdes, not sure how she did that, as there is no option to do that and you are not supposed to, as it is not safe either. She also mentions that h2 miracle is a safe place to purchase the old lourdes, yes that is probably true, but it's not true for the new hydrofix. As I contacted the manufacturer and they made it very clear, that if they even have the machine (which they don't have them in stock and are only doing pre orders at this time). But the manufacturer said there would be no warranty, they are probably not certified by the manufacturer, and if anyone gets a unit from them there will be no service offered by the manufacturer.

Jay , you also did not have any side effects from drinking it in the beginning. I had side effects and upon stopping I had withdrawals for at least a week. then I just balanced my self out.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I am not here to argue. I have known many people who use hydrogen water correctly and none have any such symptoms, even when they stop drinking it. However, I do think you are incorrect about many things, although you are very convincing. I'm not going to write long paragraphs explaining where you are wrong, I simply don't have the time. But do what you want and I wish you good health.

 

[bruschi11]

@Hydro its a pretty substantial discovery in health- hydrogen water. No doubt in my mind its something that needs to be investigated substantially.

Using the hackstasis perspective of taking mineral balance, oxidation, infection, imbalances, toxicities you name it into account- I see this as something that can improve oxidation, clear infections, remove toxicities but then you have to realize the body isn't going into actual "balance" that us here are seeking because one has to drink hydrogen water every day.

So sure for guys like me who have infections, who have toxicities, who have issues that need to be treated and potently at that.. sure!! Lets do a 6 month hydrogen water treatment. I'm at the end of month 2 and will fasting on it for 21-25 days beginning on 7/25/18.

The problem is- if it doesn't work that well for a person they could be stuck in a bad body chemistry and potentially addicted to the hydrogen. Maybe not actually addicted to hydrogen within itself, but rather addicted to the body chemistry that hydrogen creates for a chronically ill person. Myself being chronically ill, I have a liver full of toxins, ammonia, heavy metals, mercury, copper getting spilled into the blood stream.

So I start lowering my hydrogen intake by 50% and what happens? The stuff keeps getting spilled into my blood stream and here I am suffering from low body temp, slowed metabolism, chronic fatigue for 3-5 days. Then I raise hydrogen back to norm and I start chelating metals to have chemical depression and constipation for a few days (currently experiencing) that should subside in a few days time based on past experiences. I should feel well again in a couple days or so I'm hoping.

I'm pretty much all in on a 6 month hydrogen trial- I have the fast set up and a busy fall so I'm not going to mess with withdrawals for quite some time. .

Maybe we should have some guidelines for what we should be eating and taking for supplements for those on hydrogen water. Am I essentially a fast oxidizer because I'm running on fat all day now? Should I stop with the starchy carbs? Maybe go some sort of epi-Paleo diet rather than Okinawa?

I'm starving on the stuff. I need to fill myself with food like 3500-4500 calories a day. I'm active, but I can handle so much more food without putting weight on.