MOLECULAR HYDROGEN

[Niles]

For me, at first, H2 water gave me instant fatigue and cold extremities. This lasted about a week. Since then (2 more weeks), no more fatigue and a higher base-level energy throughout the day, but it doesn't feel like a healthy energy. It's been more like anxious energy, with a higher resting heart rate, irritability, and bad mood. I've also had my veins become more prominent all over, which has flared up from time to time throughout PFS (acidic blood?). Sleep hasn't totally gone to shit for me, but it has gotten a bit worse. I've been on only 1/3 liter per day of ~1ppm.

I'll be taking a week off now to observe any changes. @Helen any suggestions for treating possible acidity, or should I just ride it out?

 

[Orion]

Using over 250ml at 1ppm would really make my sleep worse. Using it gives me nice warm feeling and warm hands/feet. I am slow oxidizer.

I will stop using daily to see how I react.

 

[Helen]

For me, at first, H2 water gave me instant fatigue and cold extremities. This lasted about a week. Since then (2 more weeks), no more fatigue and a higher base-level energy throughout the day, but it doesn't feel like a healthy energy. It's been more like anxious energy, with a higher resting heart rate, irritability, and bad mood. I've also had my veins become more prominent all over, which has flared up from time to time throughout PFS (acidic blood?). Sleep hasn't totally gone to shit for me, but it has gotten a bit worse. I've been on only 1/3 liter per day of ~1ppm.

I'll be taking a week off now to observe any changes. @Helen any suggestions for treating possible acidity, or should I just ride it out?

@TubZy, I felt the same . Totally running on fats.

 

[Helen]

Guys running only on fats is not that bad may be.)) like keto diet. That will burn all your pufa in no time LOL

it always made me laugh how Ray Peat tried to get rid of pufa by eating sugar. YOu eat sugar you burn zero fat. you dont eat sugar , fasting you burn all the pufa.

So hydrogen would be perfect to burn the pufa)) and then quit))

 

[heygate]

just though i would include my experience. basically i have a whole bunch of inflammation in my chest, head and spine left over from my encephalitis so I inhaled hydrogen through my humidifier a couple of weeks ago, 3 days in a row, this put me in a state of hypoxia i felt the hydrogen going in under all the inflammation and my body went into shock, i had a week where i literally couldn't breathe, no sleep, brain thumps, intense anxiety, i rode it out as my symptoms started to get better as the swelling started to leave my body and my breathing improved. i am still however not breathing right. i still have classic symptoms of low oxygen and the only thing that helps are saunas and more hydrogen water. but interestingly all inflammation i have had over my spine, chest and lungs has almost completely gone and when it has all passed i am banking on my breathing coming completely right. my sleep is now fine, and i feel good on the water at 1ppm.

edit: my sleep is only fine once my breathing has slowed down

 

[Helen]

just though i would include my experience. basically i have a whole bunch of inflammation in my chest, head and spine left over from my encephalitis so I inhaled hydrogen through my humidifier a couple of weeks ago, 3 days in a row, this put me in a state of hypoxia i felt the hydrogen going in under all the inflammation and my body went into shock, i had a week where i literally couldn't breathe, no sleep, brain thumps, intense anxiety, i rode it out as my symptoms started to get better as the swelling started to leave my body and my breathing improved. i am still however not breathing right. i still have classic symptoms of low oxygen and the only thing that helps are saunas and more hydrogen water. but interestingly all inflammation i have had over my spine, chest and lungs has almost completely gone and when it has all passed i am banking on my breathing coming completely right. my sleep is now fine, and i feel good on the water at 1ppm.

edit: my sleep is only fine once my breathing has slowed down

I am the same I could not breathe at all on hydrogen at first I thought I would die. from it. and it lasted a long long time with this breathing problem. And then it got better

 

[Helen]

guys Hydrogen is like fasting. it seems that acidity goes up and it can kill some bacterial infections.

 

[heygate]

I am the same I could not breathe at all on hydrogen at first I thought I would die. from it. and it lasted a long long time with this breathing problem. And then it got better

i thought i would die too, was intense, powerful stuff

Low dose Naltrexone has helped with this immensely.

 

[Gumbo]

I've been doing the magnesium+malic test tube method for about two weeks and it's been pretty mixed. The very first use I got hives on my hands and felt a little lousy, kind of tired, but those were the only detox reactions I really got. After that I generally got a pretty nice feeling from it, overall I just felt like my body was holding together better. My muscles felt tighter, no dandruff or dead skin, occasional scalp itch completely gone and better mood, but the last two days I've had a tight feeling in my chest, inflammation (popping joints) and I just noticed some blue veins appearing on my calf and some hairless patches on my shin that weren't there before.

So obviously I'm not gonna use it anymore lol, at least not for a while and in much smaller quantities (probably like 250ml rather than 1L+). Hopefully these side effects go away on their own. I've been taking zinc and potassium with it and not really anything else.

 

[Helen]

i thought i would die too, was intense, powerful stuff

Low dose Naltrexone has helped with this immensely.

Then it is not a clear experiment since LDN is what gets rid of all the stuff. I cured my most infections with it

 

[heygate]

Then it is not a clear experiment since LDN is what gets rid of all the stuff. I cured my most infections with it

have only been on LDN for a week and a bit. the biggest push forward has still been the inhalation believe me, iv found the LDN has just helped with the side effects and moved things along a bit quicker than if i hadnt had it.

 

[TubZy]

yes, at first I felt like total crap for a month then it adjusted and I had more energy but I felt always a little more depressed than before ,just like on keto diet,

Have you tried increasing your sea salt drastically intake at all? Depression could be from decreased dopamine, salt should increase dopamine or at least help support adrenaline

When I was in ketosis in the past I didn't get depression I actually felt much better mentally and mind was clearer and calmer (it increases GABA). Just lowered libido on keto but I don't notice that while on Hydrogen however at least not yet

 

[Admiral]

I’ve used it for nearly 2 weeks now. Shocks are a lot less now. Maybe even one or two before I doozle off. Sleep is fairly stable, but I wake up rather early and don’t manage to fall a sleep again. Also use ARL so my trial isn’t as clear. Seems like whenever I take extra potassium my sleep gets better.

Energy is low though. But it already was prior to Hydrogen water. It hasn’t helped at that. Other notable changes: more hungry, can eat more, and I shit more often. Stools are decent but a bit more lose. Libido the same, maybe even a tad better.

Not sure what to make of it, really. I’ll keep trialing for another few weeks.

 

[Helen]

Have you tried increasing your sea salt drastically intake at all? Depression could be from decreased dopamine, salt should increase dopamine or at least help support adrenaline

When I was in ketosis in the past I didn't get depression I actually felt much better mentally and mind was clearer and calmer (it increases GABA). Just lowered libido on keto but I don't notice that while on Hydrogen however at least not yet

Yes I used salt with it. I buffered the water as I mentioned in my post and the problem with depression got better. But it is not about buffering the water, why drink it at all then LOL. Why drink H and buffer H. It makes no sense. . My mind is ok on hydrogen,it increases serotonin not gaba. gaba is made with NADPH and on keto you have no potassium so no GABA. You just run on ketones, this is a much more depressive state mentally then sugar. you are calm but depressed comparing to sugar metabolism.

I want anti oxidation from hydrogen , not for it to tank the potassium and then I just buffer it, this operation is worthless. You get zero profit.

I want H2 to bind with OH in the mito. Only then this operation is worth while for me. Hydrogen water does not do this. It never enters the mito. It just lowers the potassium and if you buffer H you just increase potassium right back up. 2 operations with end effect zero.

You should understand the more acidic you go the more dopamine will convert to adrenaline to breath faster. taking base like sodium potassium , calcium will lower this acidity. and put you to square one. Now you spend the money on salt on hydrogen , end effect wasted money.

 

[Ingeno]

Dont be scared, hydrogen is just hydrogen, it is not scary, if you have a machine, just use it now everyday and try it out. And see how you feel and do on it. There is nothing wrong with hydrogen , it is not dangerous or anything. IF you dont need it you will feel a lot of inflammation, like your joints will hurt and you will feel gout like symptoms. But when you stop it will all go away.

At first you might feel good actually, but come 2-3 week, you could feel inflammation, if you do, you know that it lowered your potassium and you are too acid.

Just try it. You have the machine. there is nothing scary about it.

@Helen , This sounds very familliar. I started drinking hydrogen 1L per day and felt great, better sleep and actually enjoying my sleep. Then I increased my dose to 2-3L per day and 2 weeks later I am getting very painful joints, especially feet and elbow, I was also getting exteme cold hands and feet. I think I am going back to 1L per day and supplement chloride and potassium with it and see how I feel.

 

[Helen]

@Helen , This sounds very familliar. I started drinking hydrogen 1L per day and felt great, better sleep and actually enjoying my sleep. Then I increased my dose to 2-3L per day and 2 weeks later I am getting very painful joints, especially feet and elbow, I was also getting exteme cold hands and feet. I think I am going back to 1L per day and supplement chloride and potassium with it and see how I feel.

yes, I have tons of people have gout like symptoms on it.

 

[TubZy]

@Helen , This sounds very familliar. I started drinking hydrogen 1L per day and felt great, better sleep and actually enjoying my sleep. Then I increased my dose to 2-3L per day and 2 weeks later I am getting very painful joints, especially feet and elbow, I was also getting exteme cold hands and feet. I think I am going back to 1L per day and supplement chloride and potassium with it and see how I feel.

Damn, 2-3L that is a lot. Why so much if you got benefits from 1L?

 

[Ingeno]

Damn, 2-3L that is a lot. Why so much if you got benefits from 1L?

I hoped that more would give even greater benefits, I must say I feel more stress resistant on hydrogen water and more calm. I have been a fast talker all my life and with hydrogen on some days I speak more slowly. @Helen any idea why I get cold hands but also more calm and stress resistant with hydrogen? Aren't those opposite effects?

 

[Helen]

I think if you inhale the hydrogen gas, you have a chance of it to go the brain , it will create the acidic residue there, And you need to buffer it with alkaline foods, potassium or diet.But the gas has a chance to really decrease the OH in the brain which is very important.

hydrogen water, I think does not do any antixidation, and I think buffering it , pretty much worthless. hydrogen water can be used to keep you in ketosis.

 

[heygate]

I think if you inhale the hydrogen gas, you have a chance of it to go the brain , it will create the acidic residue there, And you need to buffer it with alkaline foods, potassium or diet.

hydrogen water, I think does not do any antixidation, and I think buffering it , pretty much worthless.

so what would you suggest here, stop all Hydro water? and gas?