MOLECULAR HYDROGEN

[Aleksandr]

This is interesting and confusing. TEI have me as a slow oxidiser.

Do you think I should add more calcium to my diet? My calcium is very high so TEI says to avoid dairy in report. Hair loss is my reason for being on this forum.

I bet you have pattern baldness? I think this is from calcification. The bad thing is other areas of your body might be calcifying too. The good news is now you have a method to fix it and observe changes.

I had higher calcium to mg too, although only slightly compared to you. My ratio improved from the 1st test. Doing the 2nd soon.

 

[TubZy]

Have any of you guys that don't do that well on the water tried inhaling it?

 

[Blue88]

I bet you have pattern baldness? I think this is from calcification. The bad thing is other areas of your body might be calcifying too. The good news is now you have a method to fix it and observe changes.

I had higher calcium to mg too, although only slightly compared to you. My ratio improved from the 1st test. Doing the 2nd soon.

Hey @m_arch - you're right - pattern baldness. Are you just sticking to ARL or TEI supplements as instructed? This was my second test from February, which decreased calcium from 222 down to what you see. This was without supplements. I started supplements mid-April, so am hoping it has gone down further.

I just wish I could stop the shedding

 

[Aleksandr]

Hey @m_arch - you're right - pattern baldness. Are you just sticking to ARL or TEI supplements as instructed? This was my second test from February, which decreased calcium from 222 down to what you see. This was without supplements. I started supplements mid-April, so am hoping it has gone down further.

I just wish I could stop the shedding

Without supps? What did u do?

No ive just made my own treatment plan. Arl seems very pricy and te seems crap in australia

 

[Slayo]

Vitamin D can have a stimulatory effect on CYP21A2 depending on the conditions of the cell. It's a regulator, not a strict repressor. It's also incredibly under-studied, so taking the ex vivo research and extrapolating to real life - it just isn't there yet.

Elaborate please, i have just read it downregulates it, how it can stabilise ?

 

[Aflac94]

I have done well on Hydrogen water for about 2 weeks I think. Immediately felt more energy and other minor improvements with it.

My hair test has me as slow oxidizer with very high copper and calcium. Low Na and K.

I have been on full electrolytes protocol for 3 weeks so I am supplementing K

 

[mattyb]

Elaborate please, i have just read it downregulates it, how it can stabilise ?

It bonds to the promoter region CYP21A2, and from there it can either upregulate or downregulate it's function depending on the concentration of nuclear receptors for vitamin D.

Vitamin D-mediated regulation of CYP21A2 transcription - a novel mechanism for vitamin D action. - PubMed - NCBI

Again though, there is absolutely no research tying CYP21A2, cortisol, and Vitamin D together in vivo in humans. So this is super preliminary.

Cortisol is also simply a nutrient delivery based hormone, and only regulates metabolism by providing or withdrawing nutrients (glucose or protein, primarily). Downregulating cortisol can be good in some contexts, like for example if mitochondrial efficiency is upregulated energy demands go down, so cortisol goes down because they don't need as much energy delivery to the cell (this would be the case in someone with Type 2 diabetes who's disease process is improving through diet/exercise or the case of a trained athlete improving over time and requiring less nutrient delivery to highly efficient cells during exercise).

 

[mattyb]

Matty. Also dont forget that slow and fast oxidation as per ARL or TEI in my book is not correct. They often show people with high calcium lower potassium , lower magnesium and higher or equal to magnesium as slow oxidizers. These people are not slow oxidizers, they have respiratory problems and stuck in parasympathetic state, thus these people do better on calcium since calcium speeds up their breathing. But it isnt the calcium that they need really, it is acetylcholine balance. or serotonin.

These people go into slow carbs oxidation since they dont have the ability to get rid of CO2 properly.
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When I say fast/slow oxidizer I am actually going primarily by clinical presentation, not hair test results. I think too much can impact Ca/P/Mg/Na/K ratios outside of oxidation rate/metabolism that I don't like going by it. I can think of tons of reasons calcium would be very high that doesn't have to do directly with metabolism.

To me, true fast oxidizers (in the sense that they have strong mitochondria/metabolisms) have clear traits - anxiety prone, decent skin/hair (unless super severe and nutrient depleted), generally not apathetic, prone to insomnia, prone to low blood sugar and irritability, energetic, emotionally variable, good at power sports/activity, weaker endurance, responsive to carbs/protein, etc.

 

[freeflow]

When I say fast/slow oxidizer I am actually going primarily by clinical presentation, not hair test results. I think too much can impact Ca/P/Mg/Na/K ratios outside of oxidation rate/metabolism that I don't like going by it. I can think of tons of reasons calcium would be very high that doesn't have to do directly with metabolism.

To me, true fast oxidizers (in the sense that they have strong mitochondria/metabolisms) have clear traits - anxiety prone, decent skin/hair (unless super severe and nutrient depleted), generally not apathetic, prone to insomnia, prone to low blood sugar and irritability, energetic, emotionally variable, good at power sports/activity, weaker endurance, responsive to carbs/protein, etc.

When I say fast/slow oxidizer I am actually going primarily by clinical presentation, not hair test results. I think too much can impact Ca/P/Mg/Na/K ratios outside of oxidation rate/metabolism that I don't like going by it. I can think of tons of reasons calcium would be very high that doesn't have to do directly with metabolism.

To me, true fast oxidizers (in the sense that they have strong mitochondria/metabolisms) have clear traits - anxiety prone, decent skin/hair (unless super severe and nutrient depleted), generally not apathetic, prone to insomnia, prone to low blood sugar and irritability, energetic, emotionally variable, good at power sports/activity, weaker endurance, responsive to carbs/protein, etc.

Good desciption for the fast oxidizer.

My pre pfs self was high anxiety in many unusal situations for me. I was very energetic, very emotional, had great sprinting ability and good power, endurance was weak. Always motivated and built muscle very easily, and was sweating a lot. I developed MPB at 17, probably cause my diet was shit and i was moving around a lot.
I need to get back myself to this oxidizer state, life/existing was a living dream all the time with that good energy levels and high dopamine.

 

[bruschi11]

I've decided to fast myself off this stuff beginning tomorrow I believe. Maybe the word is "feast." I'm going to do a bit of a heavy juice feast the next 3-5 days or so beginning tomorrow. Hoping it will balance me out and allow me to stop hydrogen. We will see, I just am way too chemically depressed, fatigued, etc currently. I'm horny though which is nice.

But my brain can't take this much longer. I'm hoping for best with this mini feast.

 

[bruschi11]

Good desciption for the fast oxidizer.

My pre pfs self was high anxiety in many unusal situations for me. I was very energetic, very emotional, had great sprinting ability and good power, endurance was weak. Always motivated and built muscle very easily, and was sweating a lot. I developed MPB at 17, probably cause my diet was shit and i was moving around a lot.
I need to get back myself to this oxidizer state, life/existing was a living dream all the time with that good energy levels and high dopamine.

Yes sounds like me in my teens and early college. I can tell you during college I started becoming a slow oxidizer.

 

[Gumbo]

I've decided to fast myself off this stuff beginning tomorrow I believe. Maybe the word is "feast." I'm going to do a bit of a heavy juice feast the next 3-5 days or so beginning tomorrow. Hoping it will balance me out and allow me to stop hydrogen. We will see, I just am way too chemically depressed, fatigued, etc currently. I'm horny though which is nice.

But my brain can't take this much longer. I'm hoping for best with this mini feast.

Good luck, I had a real shit of a time day before last. Had a raging headache all day until 9 PM, couldn't do anything but sleep and puke lol. Could hardly keep water down. I'm fine now though, popping joints are the only lingering effect, feel good otherwise. Hoping it goes smooth for you.

 

[bruschi11]

@Gumbo so that was you stopping h2 and you had those withdrawal symptoms. Yea I've been on the stuff for 2 months now so I'm expecting major withdrawals. I'm hoping the fast helps as I at least put digestion to rest during that.

 

[Blue88]

Without supps? What did u do?

No ive just made my own treatment plan. Arl seems very pricy and te seems crap in australia

Here's my story: https://hackstasis.com/threads/my-story-advice-please.632/

 

[Snow1]

Hey fellows.

Anyone is Australia wanting to buy the Lourdes hydrofix I have one for sale - willing to sell well below the purchase price. Will be unopened brand new and you don’t have to worry about customs duty as I’ve already paid all this and will come with the warranty etc. PM me if interested, genuine reason for selling.

@m_arch can you tag anyone else in Australia you know on this forum.

 

[supernature]

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[Nina]

When I say fast/slow oxidizer I am actually going primarily by clinical presentation, not hair test results. I think too much can impact Ca/P/Mg/Na/K ratios outside of oxidation rate/metabolism that I don't like going by it. I can think of tons of reasons calcium would be very high that doesn't have to do directly with metabolism.

To me, true fast oxidizers (in the sense that they have strong mitochondria/metabolisms) have clear traits - anxiety prone, decent skin/hair (unless super severe and nutrient depleted), generally not apathetic, prone to insomnia, prone to low blood sugar and irritability, energetic, emotionally variable, good at power sports/activity, weaker endurance, responsive to carbs/protein, etc.

The power/sprinting doesn’t make sense to me because slow oxidizers run on sugar (atleast @Helen said so) and fast oxidizers are running on fats so it would make more sense for slow oxidizers to be good at sprinting/explosive movements as they are running on sugar while fast oxidizers are running on fats so they would have better endurance. A lot of people on the keto diet also get better endurance as they start running on fats which doesn’t provide explosive energy but long lasting energy

 

[Yura]

The power/sprinting doesn’t make sense to me because slow oxidizers run on sugar (atleast @Helen said so) and fast oxidizers are running on fats so it would make more sense for slow oxidizers to be good at sprinting/explosive movements as they are running on sugar while fast oxidizers are running on fats so they would have better endurance. A lot of people on the keto diet also get better endurance as they start running on fats which doesn’t provide explosive energy but long lasting energy

I read this all the time, but true is that if you really have zero sugars in the system and your body can run only on fats. People like this can do only some very slow ultra distance running (but it is more walking..) because people in this state are so weak. You can't for example ride a bike in full ketosis just on your own body fat and on MCT oil for example it is impossible.. Same with runners. All runners from Africa are huge carb guys. Corn, rice, potatoes, low fat, low protein diets.. Yes you can be good endurance athlete so you are able to burn more fats, then carbs due to good level of training like Runners from Africa for example. But you CAN'T PERFORM IN FULL KETOSIS WITH ZERO CARBS IN THE BLOOD... You can only run very slow, mostly walk. But not anything else.. Everybody else runs on glucose. ( + fats depending on level of training..) but you still need glucose. Otherwise your body will just collapse..

 

[Nina]

I read this all the time, but true is that if you really have zero sugars in the system and your body can run only on fats. People like this can do only some very slow ultra distance running (but it is more walking..) because people in this state are so weak. You can't for example ride a bike in full ketosis just on your own body fat and on MCT oil for example it is impossible.. Same with runners. All runners from Africa are huge carb guys. Corn, rice, potatoes, low fat, low protein diets.. Yes you can be good endurance athlete so you are able to burn more fats, then carbs due to good level of training like Runners from Africa for example. But you CAN'T PERFORM IN FULL KETOSIS WITH ZERO CARBS IN THE BLOOD... You can only run very slow, mostly walk. But not anything else.. Everybody else runs on glucose. ( + fats depending on level of training..) but you still need glucose. Otherwise your body will just collapse..

Tons of people following a keto diet lift weights and do cardio, it’s 100% possible i’ve done it myself while training for soccer 3-4 hours a day + lifting 3-4 hours a week. Energy is very stable but i couldn’t lift as much weight as i did before keto and my sprinting became slower. Long endurance runs without any sprinting were very easy on keto. Also daily life was a lot easier as i had plenty of energy all the time on it

 

[Yura]

I would love to se you play soccer on keto diet LOL you are a goalkeeper. Just standing there right? hahaha Training 3-4 hours a day for soccer on full keto/zero carb diet LOL good story bro..