PFS since march 2016 - My hair results and plan moving forward

[ncsugrad]

Very cool. Lots of similarities between me and you history wise (libido/erections still work.. just sensation is screwed up and makes orgasms more difficult) and I've just recently tried Tribulus and R-Andro. I've felt better the last few days than I have in a really long time.

We'll see where it goes from here!

 

[Aflac94]

I hear you. Contemplating starting R-Andro myself if my latest hair test still reads me a fast oxidizer.

Did you also used herb cycling beforehand? What are your hormonal levels?

All my tests are in the first page of this thread.

I did Resvertrol before , but not on purpose.

A switch turned on in me a few days into R-andro, but it did not stick

I am swinging from feeling amazing to feeling back in PFS, not cool.

 

[MNK99]

LONG moderate or low cycles. Or at least 6 weeks normal cycles, maybe 8 weeks longer cycles should be considered. Not 10 or 25 weeks, and using PCT is ideal/necessary.
I'm hopeful it will stick then for you guys.

 

[Aflac94]

I have been on R-Andro for I guess 6 weeks now.

It is as Helen would say a stilt for me (a patch). I feel human. I love it. I am no cured on it though, just feel a lot better.

I don’t want to be on this for life but I’m scared to get off. I tried it at the 4 week point and after 3 days of PCT (kingsblood supplement, herbs) I felt back to shitty PFS state. So I decided to go for 6 weeks Randro.

I am going to try to come off again this weekend so any suggestions would be appreciated.

I am thinking to add resvertrol to the PCT or do a resvertrol only PCT, since I didn’t feel good on the herbs or Kingsblood supplement. At least maybe resvertrol will get rid of some of my copper.

I’m so sad to stop it. Even feeling a little bit like my old self has been so nice. I can’t imagine actually being cured. I’d be the happiest person on earth

 

[vicecaz]

Could you tell us how much R andro you're taking? Any annoying side effects?
Even if it just works as a stilt right now, it's amazing progress.
For some, it does not work after 4/5 cycle and never really as a stilt but more as a better baseline post cycle, you're most likely to have an increase in baseline too

For PCT I never tried resveratrol but I'm loving tongkat, cistanche, cordyceps, and the likes
On my next andro cycle, I'll be taking TUDCA at the same time, I was feeling a pressure in my liver on my last cycle (6w 600mg) that did not go away post cycle until I started TUDCA. I've felt a lot of other benefits from it too.
Post Accutane user's liver is usually in worse shape than PFS, but it can make the cycle easier imo

Even though the two are clearly different with different effects, have you ever tried pine pollen? it contains androsterone too, much less but still worth trying if you're having such positive results with andro, in-between the cycles. If you don't feel anything from it then probably don't bother

Keep us posted!

 

[Aflac94]

Could you tell us how much R andro you're taking? Any annoying side effects?
Even if it just works as a stilt right now, it's amazing progress.
For some, it does not work after 4/5 cycle and never really as a stilt but more as a better baseline post cycle, you're most likely to have an increase in baseline too

For PCT I never tried resveratrol but I'm loving tongkat, cistanche, cordyceps, and the likes
On my next andro cycle, I'll be taking TUDCA at the same time, I was feeling a pressure in my liver on my last cycle (6w 600mg) that did not go away post cycle until I started TUDCA. I've felt a lot of other benefits from it too.
Post Accutane user's liver is usually in worse shape than PFS, but it can make the cycle easier imo

Even though the two are clearly different with different effects, have you ever tried pine pollen? it contains androsterone too, much less but still worth trying if you're having such positive results with andro, in-between the cycles. If you don't feel anything from it then probably don't bother

Keep us posted!

I did few weeks at 200mg and then a few at 300mg. Probably half n half.

Pine pollen and herbs in generally didn’t make me feel too good when I tried them previously. But it wasn’t a long trial.

I haven’t taken R-Andro since this morning , already feeling the goodness wearing off

Thanks for the tips bro!

 

[MNK99]

Bro, Just in case. I hated the herbs. BUT, after Randro and 4andro, it helped definitely in PCT. Still, it was kind of bad for mood and fatigue, but probably worth the snapback. I know people are "supposed to" work up to Randro, with the herbs, but for whatever reason yeah that helped me a lot more initially. I missed Randro soon too. But, being lean and a bit less jacked down the line is fine too. Stay High on Life!!! (not too high).

 

[Aflac94]

Bro, Just in case. I hated the herbs. BUT, after Randro and 4andro, it helped definitely in PCT. Still, it was kind of bad for mood and fatigue, but probably worth the snapback. I know people are "supposed to" work up to Randro, with the herbs, but for whatever reason yeah that helped me a lot more initially. I missed Randro soon too. But, being lean and a bit less jacked down the line is fine too. Stay High on Life!!! (not too high).

I used to be soooo high on life. Got a little of my self back with R-Andro + being on vacation. Best month I’ve had since PFS, in 3 years, with that combo. I will try to stay high (on life) lol!!

Yeah I’ll try to stick with the herb cycle too since it’s recommended, even tho I don’t like them.

Thanks bro !!!

 

[Aflac94]

My recent timeline:

PFS crash:
-0 to 20% human (for approx. 3 yrs)

Snap back after 2 months of mineral balancing:
-30% human (felt shit on the minerals)

While on R-Andro for 5 to 6 weeks: -40% human

Snap back after PCT of CDs herbs/resvertrol (didn’t feel great on PCT but not terrible either) following the R-Andro run:
-40 to 45 % human

Yesterday 2mg sublingual progesterone drops = crashed a few hours later , like a switch, I felt shut down (not as severe as initial crash but then I was crashing from a relatively health body):
-0 to 20%

 

[Aflac94]

My question

If I am classic slow oxidizer (hair and bloods on first page) with HIGH copper on hair test,

Why did I feel so good on DHT (like 40% better and even 70% on one day)?

I though it was supposed to be that slow oxidizer has too many androgen receptors and then after they come off they feel better. I felt better on the DHT (r-Andro). So was it down regulating androgen receptors while I was on it , that makes sense to me.

The benefits seemed to stick somewhat after doing the PCT herbs + Resvertrol (I even gained a few pounds and kept the weight on , which is always tough for me) Although I think overall I felt the best while actually on the R-Andro

 

[Aflac94]

And why did progesterone crash me?

@Helen

 

[Aflac94]

And why did progesterone crash me?

@Helen

Went back on CDs herbs and the PCT supplement (kingsblood- mostly just herbs).

Slept better last night , crashed feeling is gone. Don’t know if the herbs helped or it just ran it’s course, or if this would be considered a snap back.

But Monday night and Tuesday were the worst I’ve felt since original crash, resembled it a bit. Glad it wasn’t prolonged


Makes me wonder if I could have lessened the suffering if I’d tried the herbs sooner. Or maybe my body wouldn’t have been in a position to heal immediately after the first crash, I don’t know but man we should be getting in touch with ppl who recently crash and putting them on CD herbs or TEI

I guess CDs post is on propeciahelp, but maybe someone should post something about TEI on there since it is where most people who crash end up first

 

[ncsugrad]

CD has a lot of info on swolesource also, and obviously his website

 

[Walker]

Went back on CDs herbs and the PCT supplement (kingsblood- mostly just herbs).

Slept better last night , crashed feeling is gone. Don’t know if the herbs helped or it just ran it’s course,
But Monday night and Tuesday were the worst I’ve felt since original crash, resembled it a bit. Glad it wasn’t prolonged


Makes me wonder if I could have lessened the suffering if I’d tried the herbs sooner. Or maybe my body wouldn’t have been in a position to heal immediately after the first crash, I don’t know but man we should be getting in touch with ppl who recently crash and putting them on CD herbs or TEI

I guess CDs post is on propeciahelp, but maybe someone should post something about TEI on there since it is where most people who crash end up first

Don't bother. Sadly, Propecia Help has turned into a fascist-state sort of website. They've banned Cdsnuts and all talk of his protocol on the board essentially, and they'd do the same with TEI/ARL once you did that. Foundation or death.

 

[bruschi11]

The term "hackstasis" is banned on propeciahelp. I got banned from talking about it. Helen got banned for existing.

 

[ncsugrad]

It’s so negative over there. Sucks really.

It’s funny they act like cdnuts is a fraudster but other people posting about having success with some of the exact same things is totally fine.

E.g.
Low carb diet
Herbs
Working out

 

[Ocguy]

The term "hackstasis" is banned on propeciahelp. I got banned from talking about it. Helen got banned for existing.

I bet they're all trump haters too.. since censorship, group think etc is such a "progressive" thing

 

[Aflac94]

Don't bother. Sadly, Propecia Help has turned into a fascist-state sort of website. They've banned Cdsnuts and all talk of his protocol on the board essentially, and they'd do the same with TEI/ARL once you did that. Foundation or death.

Ah man that’s too bad because most people in that initial what the hell happened to me stage probably end up there first, would be cool to see if the new pfs people could avoid the worst (which is probably the first year). By immediately hoping on CD or TEI.

I’m not sure it would work right away for people like me who got the most severe symptoms (fucked Brain /gaba/muscles), but would be interesting to see. I doubt it would make them worse. But then again what if the body was so messed up that the protocols didn’t work well initially and this clauses people to lose faith or say it didn’t work for them. That would be bad too, so maybe better that they find it through some digging. Wish we could run these experiments. Or maybe CD or Helen have done their protocols with BRAND new pfs people , I don’t remember

But I guess they will likely all get sucked into the depression of Propeciahelp

 

[Aflac94]

Went back on CDs herbs and the PCT supplement (kingsblood- mostly just herbs).

Slept better last night , crashed feeling is gone. Don’t know if the herbs helped or it just ran it’s course, or if this would be considered a snap back.

But Monday night and Tuesday were the worst I’ve felt since original crash, resembled it a bit. Glad it wasn’t prolonged


Makes me wonder if I could have lessened the suffering if I’d tried the herbs sooner. Or maybe my body wouldn’t have been in a position to heal immediately after the first crash, I don’t know but man we should be getting in touch with ppl who recently crash and putting them on CD herbs or TEI

I guess CDs post is on propeciahelp, but maybe someone should post something about TEI on there since it is where most people who crash end up first

Definitely not a snap back the progesterone set me back

Progesterone Treatment Inhibits and Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) Treatment Potentiates Voltage-Gated Calcium Currents in Gonadotropin-Releasing Hormone (GnRH) Neurons

Thought this was interesting , about progesterone blocking vs DHT enhancing

 

[joekool]

@ncsugrad i can't believe how good I'm feeling on a low carb diet.

I'm also shocked at how propeciahelp treats us. We're part of the solution, they're part of the problem. It's a very dangerous time to be a jerk to someone.