PFS since march 2016 - My hair results and plan moving forward

[TubZy]

hairloss does not stop in PFS. may be in you it stops , since you have too sensitive estro as a fast oxidizer.

PLus remember we saw some people actually using cortisol to grow hair back.

It stops or slows down significantly there are lot of reports on it, I can't imagine everyone has the same chemistry as me though. Actually, when people do get cured from PFS or even feel better the first thing they mention is their skin gets oily again and their hair sheds again

 

[RebelWithACause]

With too sensitive estrogen does that mean your body will shut down estrogen? I don't understand. A lot of fast oxidizers have symptoms of low estrogen from what I can see. Premature ejaculation, dry skin, aggression, mood swings, etc.

When I crashed my estrogen with Arimidex I felt like PFS but 10x worse. Also the pessimistic outlook on life is also a big sign of low estrogen.

Now I have oily skin but no hairloss. But even in low estrogen people can get oily skin and acne also from what I was told by my friends who bodybuild.

 

[Helen]

It stops or slows down significantly there are lot of reports on it. Actually, when people do get cured from PFS or even feel better the first thing they mention is their skin gets oily again and their hair sheds

Please read. Do you guys find your hairloss has slowed a lot since getting PFS?

 

[Helen]

With too sensitive estrogen does that mean your body will shut down estrogen? I don't understand. A lot of fast oxidizers have symptoms of low estrogen from what I can see. Premature ejaculation, dry skin, aggression, mood swings, etc.

When I crashed my estrogen with Arimidex I felt like PFS but 10x worse. Also the pessimistic outlook on life is also a big sign of low estrogen.

But now I have oily skin but no hairloss. But even in low estrogen people can get oily skin and acne also from what I was told by my friends who bodybuild.

premature ejaculations is high noradrenaline, estrogen converts dopamine into noradrenaline

 

[RebelWithACause]

Please read. Do you guys find your hairloss has slowed a lot since getting PFS?

Yes hairloss stopped 100% in PFS. Some shedding but this was not MPB shedding. Just dry skin from a lot of zinc for example.

But I think brix is also a fast oxidizer but has shedding. Not sure about Admiral

 

[TubZy]

Please read. Do you guys find your hairloss has slowed a lot since getting PFS?

Lol it seems like a mixture both replies, some say big hair loss others say no hair loss. For example some of them wrote

Had PFS for around 18 months now, finding the same, sexual sides but no hair loss

Yes, I would say so. I think I’ve lost a bit since quitting but not nearly as much as I was losing before ever taking finasteride.

 

[Helen]

Lol it seems like a mixture both replies, some say big hair loss others say no hair loss. For example some of them wrote

Had PFS for around 18 months now, finding the same, sexual sides but no hair loss

Yes, I would say so. I think I’ve lost a bit since quitting but not nearly as much as I was losing before ever taking finasteride.

this is what I am saying it is both . some never had hairloss before fin and it increased like crazy after quitting.

 

[Admiral]

Yes hairloss stopped 100% in PFS. Some shedding but this was not MPB shedding. Just dry skin from a lot of zinc for example.

But I think brix is also a fast oxidizer but has shedding. Not sure about Admiral

Minimal hairloss for years now. Just diffuse tinning all around.

 

[Helen]

@RebelWithACause

remember that study with CSF values. they found DHT progesterone and estradiol, and pregnenolone low.

So all those could be overexpressed in PFS

I agree that in fast oxidizer may be DHT got overexpressed more than estradiol.

 

[TubZy]

this is what I am saying it is both . some never had hairloss before fin and it increased like crazy after quitting.

I can see that case happening because that happened to me just from a different drug (superdrol) which I had no hair loss prior to it and all of the sudden had hair loss after it. Basically becoming hyperandrogenic. There a few cases of people taking fin/dut for other reasons (prostate) issues and then up losing hair like crazy while on it there is a log on PH as well about it- I agree. I just meant that my case doesn't seem to be super rare with PFS as there are many logs of people having their hair slowed/stopped in a PFS state too

 

[Helen]

I can see that case happening because that happened to me just from a different drug (superdrol) which I had no hair loss prior to it and all of the sudden had hair loss after it. Basically becoming hyperandrogenic. There a few cases of people taking fin/dut for other reasons (prostate) issues and then up losing hair like crazy while on it there is a log on PH as well about it- I agree. I just meant that my case doesn't seem to be super rare with PFS as there are many logs of people having their hair slowed/stopped in a PFS state too

yes of course. as I am saying people a re different, even in that thread they divided to crazy hairloss after fin, and no hairloss after fin

same as sweating and not sweating at all.

Read propecia forum. some are sweating like crazy after fin, and some are not sweating at all.

 

[RebelWithACause]

@RebelWithACause

remember that study with CSF values. they found DHT progesterone and estradiol, and pregnenolone low.

So all those could be overexpressed in PFS

I agree that in fast oxidizer may be DHT got overexpressed more than estradiol.

Yes I remember. Interesting about DHT. Could be

Creatine which increases 5AR makes the low estrogen signs worse. Dryer skin, for example. While before creatine would give all higher DHT benefits (increased confidence, increased sex drive).

Hairsuit also fast oxidizer felt worse on creatine - while in the past he used it he did good with it.

So DHT mighht be too sensitive already. So if you increase it further you get even worse.

Check ot the "High DHT, low estrogen phenotype":

Area-1255: [Area-1255] The High DHT/Low Estrogen PhenoType

Area1255 funnily recommends a1a blocker

 

[TubZy]

yes of course. as I am saying people a re different, even in that thread they divided to crazy hairloss after fin, and no hairloss after fin

same as sweating and not sweating at all.

Read propecia forum. some are sweating like crazy after fin, and some are not sweating at all.

Agreed, I thought you were originally lumping all PFS ppl into one category regarding hair

 

[Helen]

Agreed, I thought you were originally lumping all PFS ppl into one category regarding hair

I try not to do that, since they are all different at least 2 cases, actually 3 cases( one is glucuronidation)

 

[Ingeno]

yes of course. as I am saying people a re different, even in that thread they divided to crazy hairloss after fin, and no hairloss after fin

same as sweating and not sweating at all.

Read propecia forum. some are sweating like crazy after fin, and some are not sweating at all.

Helen, I always wondered what is the reason for not sweating? Since I took FIN I can't sweat anymore. Haven't sweat in years, even in the gym I don't sweat.

 

[brix]

Yes hairloss stopped 100% in PFS. Some shedding but this was not MPB shedding. Just dry skin from a lot of zinc for example.

But I think brix is also a fast oxidizer but has shedding. Not sure about Admiral

Yep. Constantly shedding. It varies though. I notice like 10-15 hairs in the shower. Hair on my pillow for sure but try not to count. I have had periods of high libido and no hair loss though.

 

[Helen]

Helen, I always wondered what is the reason for not sweating? Since I took FIN I can't sweat anymore. Haven't sweat in years, even in the gym I don't sweat.

may be low acetylcholine.

 

[Aleksandr]

may be low acetylcholine.

Yes if u look at @Ingeno hair test he has low sodium. I have high sodium and sweat a lot

 

[Goose12]

may be low acetylcholine.

I had no hair loss before saw palmetto. Took it for prostate and had crazy hair loss and burning scalp.

 

[brix]

Yes if u look at @Ingeno hair test he has low sodium. I have high sodium and sweat a lot

I have very low sodium and sweat like crazy. I think it’s related to high cortisol/noradrenaline